TX Gov Perry says Texas can leave the union!
Submitted by Allegory on Wed, 04/15/2009 - 22:16
"Texas is a unique place. When we came into the union in 1845, one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that," Perry said. "My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that."
Listen to it:
http://blogs.chron.com/texaspolitics/archives/2009/04/perry_...
»





















Drudge repost says poll indicates 75% of Texans don't want to
leave the USA. I suppose they think that is good news for the Union, but I think of the opposite. 25% must want to leave the Union, which is a huge number at this point in time as we travel down the 10 or 15 year road to the breakup of the USA, probably through civil war.
"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." Thomas H. Huxley
Nice try, Perry
But we are not buying it. With a track record like yours, it's obvious you're now trying to fit in where you don't belong. Get lost, hypocrite!
The feds have the States by the yang - yang
Once again, thanks to all the federal income tax that is extracted from every citizen's paycheck and sent to Washington D.C. That, my friends, is the tie that binds our States. The feds control the money of the citizens of any State. Maybe a particular State would have enough gumption to "overrule" the federal withholding tax. Wouldn't that make the Governor popular! (not with the National Guard, which would be mobilized to pay a visit to said Governor). It wouldn't be so bad, if the government was well managed, and not so inclined to dubious, deceitful, wasteful, porkulative misusses of money. I'm all for a Federal Government, I'd just like one as outlined in our Constitution. They've overstepped their authority in so many ways, and we've had very little recourse on what to do about it. As we've seen, it doesn't really matter "who" we send to Congress, once they get there, they eagerly join the club. You won't find too many Ron Pauls running around the halls of Congress!
alan laney
I'm declaring myself a sovereign indian tribe and succeeding
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
Texas Secession Would Not Be Treasonous.
I try to be an independent observer of political actions.
I hear some Democrats saying that secession is treasonous. How so? It is the right of any person, group of people, town, city, or state to secede if they feel that the central United States government is no longer ensuring their personal freedoms. Our government, for the last 46 years or so, has been highly unconstitutional and practiced many unlawful acts against its own citizens. The real reason that the government spied on JFK, MLK, RFK, Malcolm X, The Beatles, the hippie movement, John Lennon, and many more, is not because of any wrongdoing on their part, it was because the government, which was and continues to be the operating hand of very rich and powerful elite individuals, was fearing that said individuals were a threat to their world control. What these certain elite people are concerned about is retaining their wealth, plain and simple, and they fear an independent and autonomous society of free people. Their fears are not warranted though, because no one in their right mind wants to take their money, we want to protect their money. But we want money too! We don't want to be working slaves or useless eaters, we want to be free and responsible people, on the level with each human being as a human being, not as superior or inferior. We don't want their money, we want a truly free, free-trading society that is so greatly productive that it creates massive amounts of wealth for everyone. Wealth that would make regular people prosperous and make the rich even richer! There's nothing wrong with making money. What's wrong is that people are not treated like human beings in the process, and that must change.
Everyone deserves to be free. Humans are the most intelligent life-form that is officially recognized by science. So why are many human beings treated like animals? Regardless of your skin color or nationality, we are all living, breathing, beautiful and intelligent creatures who deserve nothing less than a safe, happy, healthy, and prosperous life. Our freedom should NEVER be infringed upon. And if Texas, or anyone else feels that they are able to take care of themselves apart from a central government, they should be allowed to be autonomous. It would take a lot to do so at this point in history, but I say more power to them- if they can do it, go for it!
Gullible - look it up then look in the mirror
If you honestly believe that the mr perry is doing anything other than grandstanding, you really need to do a serious reality check.
Where has his support for your rights been up until now? What draconian laws has he signed?
Keep making their case for them people. You really are to damn stupid to govern yourselves, really.
I've always said, Texas has specials rights!
Out side of Texans, very few people even know this little secrete. And only the State of Texas out of all the other lower 48 states has this special right.
Texas was a separate Country unto itself prior to becoming a State. It was never a part of any US Federal Territorial lands, as all the other States were before applying for Statehood.
Not only was Texas a separate Country unto itself, it was recognized as such by the Government of the The United States Of America.
Texas negotiated with the US Government to become a State, with conditions. One of those Conditions was the RIGHT to secede anytime they choose too.
If Texas ever chooses succession, we will see if our Government will honor their contract with them.
GOOOOOO Texas.
hjschaapman
The Winds of Change!
If I remember my Texas History correctly,
and granted, it was a long time ago, Texas was given the right to leave the United States on the condition that it would break-up into 4 different states.
--------------------------------
"the only thing that keeps the banking system from failing is general ignorance about how the banking system works."
----------------------------
I believe that Texas was
I believe that Texas was ALLOWED into the union on the condition that it could be split into 4 (5?) different states. As you may know, the Republic of Texas before entering the union was somewhat larger than what it is in its present-day state.
I read up a little bit on the history of Texas a few weeks back, so I'm relatively sure that this was the case.
Texas set the conditions.....
that the state could leave the union when and if it wished, and/or it could break up into 5 states (thus allowing for 8 additional Senators). A large portion of the west and panhandle area was sold to the US which is now New Mexico, Oklahoma, and a small strip through Colorado and maybe as far as Wyoming (not sure). The proceeds of the sale were used to establish the "Permanent University Fund" which funded the state's university system (University of Texas, and Texas A&M).
.
.
.
.
.
At first splash of Eden we race down to the sea,
standing there on Freedom's Shore....
What can be said of a people who would sell their own children into slavery, using the rational that it is to protect their freedom?
The question of secession is not addressed by the Constitution
and that document has no bearing upon it.
Even Lincoln used the proper reference (though incorrectly) which is the Articles of Confederation.
When a State joins the union, they do so as if they were original members. Original members are members by virtue of their ratification of the Articles of Confederation which is the ONLY official document to CREATE the union, known as "The United States of America."
The Articles are still in effect, though not enforced or used to handle the common affairs of the States. They were never abrogated nor repealed, dissolved, or repudiated.
The Constitution merely organized a central government for the union created by the Articles, and only those States ratifying the same, participate in that government.
When the southern states seceded from the Articles in the mid 1800's then they were no longer part of the union. They were all militarily conquered and re-formed and re-admitted after the war.
Lincoln was incorrect when he asserted the reference to "perpetual" union meaning forever. He was a charlatan for as a lawyer he would have known that perpetual, especially in this context, (that of a contract) does not mean "forever" but means rather that the AoC does not SPECIFICALLY have to be renewed after a certain term. By including that article in the document, the founders were stating that the union would continue until and unless they decided to dissolve it.
Additionally, the union is one of "mutual friendship." Thus a 'forced union' enforced at the point of the federal gun, is neither in any way "mutual" or "friendship."
Lincoln was wrong from start to finish on this question.
Interestingly, this brings up a unique solution to our current plight.
If the Federal Government should abrogate or suspend the Constitution, then the states are still left with the Articles of Confederation to handle the governing of their common affairs, and their own State Constitutions for internal affairs. If the Feds suspend the Constitution, the only thing that goes away is the Federal Government. (and any claim to power they presently hold) All protections of inalienable rights still stand as they are included in the Articles, and in the several State Constitutions.
After looking at our present situation, this may be our best hope yet. Let the bastards suspend their own charter of authority if they wish. Our liberties remain intact, and they are now unemployed. They have no claim of protection from self defense, or from out right vengeance for their crimes. Any former federal official, in any capacity who attempts after the suspension of the Constitution, to act under color of law, would be and should be, treated as either a traitor - making war against the people, or as an insurrectionist for they have no longer any legitimate claim to power or authority. In short, they would be utter morons for doing away with the Constitution.
However, as long as they keep the pretenses of the Constitution in place, but continue to ignore it in all respects limiting their power, we are in deep doo-doo.
Secession is perfectly legal!
When the southern states seceded in 1861, they thought they were rendering a consummately legal act. Nowhere did the Constitution say that the states do not have the power to secede. Nor did it give power to the Federal Government to stop secession. So they exceeded their authorized powers by attacking the southern states.
And if that's not clear enough already, the 10th Amendment made it perfectly clear that any powers not given to the Federal Government were left to the states and to the people. Therefore, the states were and are perfectly free to secede.
Think about it--how wonderful would a marriage be where the one partner stays on account of the fact that the other has threatened murder should the first leave?
The threat of secession is one of the "checks and balances" that the states have against the Federal Government. That's part of the wisdom of the Constitution.
But they teach our children that we are "one nation....INDIVISIBLE...."
Not true!
Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
www.ruleoflawrevolution.com
Jack Pelham
www.jackpelham.com
www.ruleoflawrestoration.com
watch out texans...
What out my fellow patriots in Texas ... Perry is trying to play both sides. He's a traitor Bilderburger--confirmed.
Anything he says must be scrutinized bigtime.....
Really?!
What is the meaning of this then?
Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/freeist
Check out my Freedom Blog! http://www.freeist.wordpress.com
The meaning?
Some are sincere, some are not. Perry is trying to make everyone think he is in the know and then will gently guide them in the right (wrong) direction. Study the neocons and you will understand the "meaning."
neocon
http://www.infowars.com/rick-perrys-cynical-effort-to-exploi...
we need to put this sight on here
http://www.bostonteapartyii.org/index.html
SHOWBOATING
Mr. Perry has to face a very angry electorate in the 2010 primaries and is trying to position himself as a "conservative" ASAP. As much as I support this, I still smell a rat.
Now That We're Kicking Him When He's Down...
... I should also add that he didn't back fellow Texan, Ron Paul, for President last year. Not that it surprised me.
I've got a better idea
Rick Perry can leave Texas.
Winna!
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ~ Margaret Mead
Of course, we don't need his permission.
But it's good to hear it, I suppose.
Texans are fed up--at least the indigenous Texans, who speak English. Make no mistake. As things grow worse, the deadweight burden of carrying Blue State America on Texas shoulders will begin to chafe.
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
Indigenous??? Really???
I live, have lived, and plan on living in Texas. But don't speak so ignorantly and arrogantly about "indigenous" Texans. Pretty sure most of those would actually be the Native Americans we forced into tiny reservations and the Mexicans we now gun down at the borders. So, don't speak so harshly.
"and there's kids playing guns in the street and one's pointing his tree branch at me So I put my hands up I say: "Enough is enough, If you walk away I walk away." (and he shot me dead)" - Bright Eyes
"and there's kids playing guns in the street and one's pointing his tree branch at me So I put my hands up I say: "Enough is enough, If you walk away I walk away." (and he shot me dead)" - Bright Eyes
texas v. white
at the end of the blog posting is a wikipedia link to the above mentioned supreme court case.
the wiki article says that in texas v. white, the supreme court ruled that texas can't secede. the union is perpetual.
hogwash i say.
I pledge, do you?
I'll go read the case but check out my reply above
if the Supreme Court so ruled, they are as wrong as Lincoln, and even bigger idiots than I thought.
Perpetual does not mean "forever." It means it will continue until you stop it. Once you stop it however...
Additionally, I guess SCOTUS ignored the point about it being a union of "Mutual Friendship."
Forced union, is neither "mutual" nor "friendship."
Their position holds no water.
make my day, SCROTUS!
and if the states call a con con, propose an amendment dissolving the US, and then three fourths ratify it, guess what?
supreme court's flipping burgers, perpetually!
that, or a bunch of pissed off americans hang em from a lamp post.
that'll be the case of texas v. dead meat
Is it pig season yet?
If Texas did secede
...I'd move there, I don't care how corrupt the Governor is. We'll take care of that at a later time.
It might embolden a lot of the other states.....
....and it would surely get a lot of people thinking who don't usually think about such issues.
Imagine what a huge difference it would make if every American would simply read the Constitution this month!
Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
www.ruleoflawrevolution.com
Jack Pelham
www.jackpelham.com
www.ruleoflawrestoration.com
take care of him? is it pig
take care of him?
is it pig season in america yet?
http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww329/blackfridayarmy/pig-season.jpg
LOL Wake me up when it is!
What are you fightin' for?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!
What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!
lets let Perry
leave Texas
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
woo hoo!