Radio talk show host calls Ron Paul a Fraud

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Indianapolis radio show host, Abdul Hakim-Shabazz, who hosts a show every weekday morning called "Abdul in the Morning" has just claimed that Ron Paul is a fraud (see comment #8 - http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/04/pick_your_p...).

I attempted to have a debate with him and I will let you read through the blog to see our discussion unfold.

If you wish to comment, please be civil and have some fun poking back.

Our city is totally bankrupt by the Republicans and Democrats and Abdul is friends with Tom Johns who is the Indianapolis GOP Chairman and they are all trying to force the taxpayers to pay for their corporate "sports team" welfare/bailouts. If you wish to know more about what's happening, please visit www.advancedindiana.blogspot.com and you will learn first hand to the outright fraud that's happening in our community.

Wayne Kirk
www.propertyfreedom.blogspot.com

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Ron Paul has 30+ years of disciplined integrity . What statesman

or politician can claim that fact ?

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Hmm... I cannot name

Hmm... I cannot name anyone...

What the heck? Are you ok

What the heck? Are you ok sir?

Abdul is just an idiot, does

Abdul is just an idiot, does not know what he is talking. He sounds like a typical Liberal talk show host, even though he claims to be a conservative.

Interventionist: A quasi-socialist elitist

Actually, I believe Abdul is a Keynesian (interventionist - a quasi-socialist) whereby he wants government out of his life, but he believes he knows what's best for another person and, thus, thinks the government should do certain things to facilitate these means. Some people would go so far as to call that "elitism."

Sound money , friendship and

Sound money , friendship and free trade with everybody. That radio show host is pure evil or an idiot.

Great job standing up for

Great job standing up for the people!
Take a look at my response at the link to that Abdul Show website you provided us.

Simon Properties (Pacers owner), Colts, & Government Theft.

Thank you Grassroots for your response on the Indiana Barrister Blog.
http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/04/pick_your_p...

For those who are interested in the Capital Improvement Board (CIB)'s mess with corporate welfare to the Simons (Owners of the Indiana Pacers and Simon Properties) and the Indianapolis Colts, please read this rather amazing piece titled: Indy Taxpayers Have Given Simons More than $400 Million!
http://advanceindiana.com/

You can also read more by following the Indiana Business Journal's investigation by clicking on this link:
http://www.ibj.com/html/detail_page_Full.asp?content=35729

There is another interesting piece written today in the Hoosiers for Fair Taxation blog about the mess in our city and a call to our City County Council to stand up for the people:
http://hoosiersforfairtaxation.blogspot.com/2009/04/indianap...

For those who are unaware, our Governor (Mitch Daniels) used to work under George W Bush's team as the Director of the Office of Management and Budget. With him being our state's Executive, he has continued to allow the gross misapplication of Property Taxes under Article 8 of the Indiana Constitution:
http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/inconst/art-8.html
----In this section, it describes who is supposed to pay property taxes:
"Taxes on the property of corporations, that may be assessed by the General Assembly for common school purposes."
---The mere fact that people who do not fall under this distinction (which is nearly all taxpayers) is that they would not have to pay property taxes. Our courts are also in violation of the law for they have stalled their decisions and saddled the people with a process to "prove they have been harmed by these measures."
---Digging deeper into this issue returns the voters back to the sources of this fraud which not only includes our public servants, but also the law firms who have been making tons of monies writing bonds to pay for the money our city and state borrows to pay for their schemes. Every year we are asked to give more money to our failing school system as though money will magically fix the problem and every year we realize that the schools are not improving. The fact that so many people do not understand the Constitution nor do they understand how money works is a reason why we are in this mess.
---On a final note, if a person does not pay their property taxes and asserts their Constitutional rights here in Indiana, not only have the courts ignored the rule of law, but they also allow the government to confiscate our property and sell it through a Sheriff Sale. Just like the double talk we see on a daily basis, our government claims that our properties are not used as collateral, but the truth is, in order to borrow money through the bond banks, they utilize the projected income of property taxes to secure the loans.

Traitors To The Constitution,,,,,

,,,,Will say and do anything to make more money for themselves.

beesting

I wouldn't go so far to call

I wouldn't go so far to call him a traitor, but I do question his principles.

Reply.

Fraud is a serious accusation punishable by prison time if it can be proven in court. Dr. Paul has in no way committed fraud, because he is required to help the people in his district who elected him to Congress by applying for some of that pork spending as he sees fit.
That's his job.

As far as Mr. Abdul being a traitor , what exactly is his job?
I would guess it's to inform the public about inappropriate behavior in the government, among other things. Any 10 year old can see our Constitution and financial system is being destroyed by the current and past politicians that vote for passage of these recent banking bailouts.

Now I haven't followed Mr. Abdul's talk show at all, but I would say, instead of making wild, unjustified false, accusations about a true American patriot who has been serving his country for over 40 years, counting his military time, Mr Abdul should study the Constitution and see exactly who in Government and banking is currently guilty of the criminal offense of fraud!

As the cop said who gave me a parking ticket in an unmarked area, ignorance of the law is no excuse, in this case ignorance of the supreme law of the land { Constitution } for a political talk show host is no excuse to keep quiet about the real fraud occurring in our country, right now:

Please read this:

http://www.kitco.com/ind/Wiegand/apr162009.html

You have my permission to pass this to Mr Abdul.

Thank you.

beesting

It's the folksy misunderstanding of earmarks

He thinks Ron Paul is a fraud on spending because he votes against spending bills and then gets millions in earmarked projects for his district. All members should earkmark funds so the executive branch is not handed a blank check; but Americans are kinda dumb and like to bitch about stuff.

Thank you for the clarification...

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Even I was a bit confused

Even I was a bit confused about earmarks until Ron Paul described them and now I understand quite well. By the way, I have read many of your posts here and want to thank you for your work. You have been a true blessing to our movement.

I'm a libertarian with

I'm a libertarian with somewhat an independent streak. BTW, I didn't know that fraud wasn't in the dictionary in the Mid-West. Capone would be considered a hero and Dr. Paul a fraud? Cheesh, they'd better get their heads out of their butts.

Every time I pull up the

Every time I pull up the Daily Paul blog, I see the message "Ron Paul Wins" and I just love seeing that because...we are winning more and more hearts in this battle for Liberty!

WOW! You're Kareem Abdul Jabar,

" no, I'm Roger Murdoch, I'm the co-pilot."

Just had to throw out my favorite line from Airplane.

Does anyone in Indiana really listen to that idiot?

You want fraud, come to Chicago, we raise the bar when it comes to corruption and the raping of the taxpayer.

The job with the highest probability of going to jail in the whole US?

Illinois Governor.

Look just to the east of

Look just to the east of Chicago in Lake County (Indiana) where corruption has literally destroyed the city of Gary.

Indys are overwhelmingly against the GOP and DNC

Ron Paul took the messages from the third parties and independents and put together a platform that united people on the right, left and Indys, and then MSM got the blame for Ron Paul deciding his congressional seat was better than saving the USA.

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I totally agree as I also

I totally agree as I also consider myself to be an Independent who follows the Libertarian ideology.

LOL

"Abdul in the morning"
Sorry, I have nothing to add...

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He's just another example of

He's just another example of those who are part of the problem.

I do want to give him a little kudos though, he did allow me to be on his radio show for a hour on February 26th, 2008 in his show titled "Is Ron Paul Crazy." If you wish to hear my presentation, please click on the following link and then scroll down to the show on February 26th or do a (Find feature) and type in Ron Paul and it should take you to the podcast.
http://hosted-media.podzinger.com/wxnt/feed/Abdul.xml

If you listen to the show, let me know what you think. :)