Census- what's required?
Submitted by RS on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 16:22Now's a good time to solve these questions concerning the census.
If you know for a fact and can provide proof of your answers in U.S. law, let us all know.
1. Are we required to answer the census questions?
2. What is the only information we are required to provide?
3. What penalties will you incur if you don't answer the questions?
4. Is there an "UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY" clause on the census form?
5. How many pages are contained in the census form?
6. Who must fill out the form?
...I have no doubt we shall
...I have no doubt we shall see... our citizens moving in phalanx in the paths of regular liberty, order, and a sacrosanct adherence to the Constitution." --Thomas Jefferson
Article. I. Section. 2.
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers...The actual Enumeration shall be made...every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.
"A government of reason is better than one of force." --Thomas Jefferson to Richard Rush, 1820
The census is only for 'residents'.
If you are a man or woman domiciled in your state then you are not a resident and may not participate in the census.
Re-bumping old thread
Census came by yesterday, and said they are coming again today, could be any minute. What questions am I required to answer by law?
5th amendment
Unless there is a court order, you don't have to answer anything.
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riverrun
you are correct in a way. The only question that is required by our Constitution to answer is the number of people in each household period.
name?
Why do they need your name?
Just put "Smith" in the name field.. John Smith, John Q. Public, Iam Free, or whatever else. What are they gonna do to you? You don't sign it.
They only need to count people. I only replied because it's in the constitution.
NCMarc
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A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges. - Ben Franklin
what's required
as a current census enumerator (taker), we are required to get as much info as possible. names, ages, dates of birth, etc., etc.
remember, we are just doing a job. don't be a dick! be considerate. i don't need your shit. i get enough at home.
the govt. knows more about you than you think so forget hiding. just stay under the radar.
a person can state that they don't know some of the answers. such as two unrelated people living in the same house but one dose not know the others D.O.B. when this happens we are instructed to notate "does not know" and continue with questions.
we are instructed to get as much as possible from the household member. if we get minimal info the forms are kicked back to us and we must return for more info. so expect us to visit you for 3 personal visits and possibly a phone call. if that is not possible we are then permitted to gather info from a proxy (neighbor, mailman, etc.) but only after trying 3 times at the house listed on the form.
as for refusals, we are instructed to escalate all unobtainable addresses to our direct supervisor. if they are unable to obtain info it gets escalated to the district mgr. then to the regional mgr.
title 13 code states fines for refusal are $100, (2010 census FAQs say up to $5000) but no one should fear refusal as the govt. will use this as a last resort.
if you are concerned about privacy just fill out the form when you get it. use a fake name, and D.O.B. but be creative don't be stupid. fill it in and send it back. i've done this the last 2 census.
this keeps people like me from coming to your door. however it keeps people like me from making a living while unemployed. this economy sucks and any job helps. $350-650 a week isn't bad money right now.
FYI
i had two people today who refused. one was willing to give only initials for the names and the ages of the 2 people living there. he said the govt sold his info in 2000 and doesn't want that again.
the other guy said he knows the law and all he has to provide is how many people live there (2), then he told me i was trespassing. what an ass!
all of this was noted on the forms and will be submitted.
both of these will be rejected by my mgr. but it is now his turn to gather the info. good luck
You have been on Daily Paul for 10 hours.
Your comments are fraud in the inducement.
Seems That A Census Taker Would Know
or they ought to know ... that Americans are only asked by the Constitution - how many living at address -
that is it ... why would anyone want to try to coherse other additional information ... they should just leave after they get the number - because that is all they are going to get. I guess getting a job as a census taker is a little like joining the army ... just a way to make an extra buck - rather - just doing it to get paid. I am not really sympathetic that you get treated bad by some or you've had a tough day ... that isn't going to change my response - or should I say lack of .... just move along and do your thing -
don't bother us!
As long as you leave and stay gone when you are informed
someone doesn't want to cooperate, that's the end of it.
If you didn't jump a fence to get to the door, you're not trespassing until after you've been told the person won't be cooperating and you don't leave.
If you wanna' go to someone's house after they've made it clear they don't want to participate, then you may be accused of trespassing. That's what trespassing is, being on someone's property when you know they don't want you there.
Defend Liberty!
what the law says
i really appreciate your concern for the shit i have to put up with from people like you.
i'm not advocating for the govt. just trying to get people to be a little considerate of the many plain joes and janes just doing their job.
i don't give a rats ass if you answer or not. i'm just informing you of what we are told to do. if someone wants to be an ass, i can make their life suck.
FYI
the law states all persons are required to complete the census. that's all it says. try searching the govt site for answers to what info is required. title 13, chapter 7. good luck.
FYI
govt. workers on official business are legally permitted on your property and are not trespassing.
FYI
if you think your being private by not answering, think again. it doesn't take much for govt. to find your address and mortgage company on the web. from there they get your name and social security number. the IRS knows who you and your family are, where you work, who you owe, where you bank, who pays you interest, what insurance you have, etc.
anyone can pay $79 to get an info provider to give them all this info in a second. if the govt. departments communicated with each other it would take a single key stroke to put it all together. try a google search of yourself and see how many companies will sell you your info.
if you want to hide, go underground if you want to, pay cash for everything, get paid in cash, don't use a bank or any credit cards, don't pay any taxes. you may escape for a while but you may always be looking over your shoulder.
and if that's how you want to proceed then don't ask me for any of my tax dollars to support a damn thing for you. you can shit in a latrine just don't expect me to pay for sewage service at your house. stay off the highways my ever higher tax dollars paid for.
I'm just telling you what the definition of trespassing is
If your supervisor is telling you to do the actions that I have specified are trespassing, then I'm telling you I consider you a trespasser whether you can defer responsibility for it in your own mind or not.
I will treat with the same courtesy I treat the deceived masses everyday. If this is the attitude you take when someone calls you on your actions, no wonder you run up against adversity.
Defend Liberty!
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You have been on Daily Paul for 10 hours.
Your comments are fraud in the inducement.
Yeah and you are an idiot and
Yeah and you are an idiot and you have been here longer... the dude is trying to provide a different perspective and you give him hell??
God bless you for your kind words
Thank you for restoring Constitutional government to the United States of America.
I also would like to thank for the "census taker" for her words of wisdom to wit:
"..shit i have to put up with from people like you."
"i don't give a rats ass if you answer or not."
"if someone wants to be an ass, i can make their life suck."
Pure gold.
What the law says.... and the fact it has no teeth
This is what is quoted at the Census website:
http://2010.census.gov/2010census/how/questions.php
NOTE: It leaves out what is included in subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5, and therefore what you have to answer.
However, max fine is $100, and the Census Bureau has no authority to actually force to to pay the fine and needs another departments assistance to do so. Therefore they have never fined anyone.
I'll see if I can track down the rest of the law
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Title 13
Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers
(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.
(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500. (c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.
Well, I read through the
Well, I read through the entire Title 13.
Based on the information read it takes some forcing to require anything more than the number of people living in your house unless you're a criminal. Then they need to know your age, race, literacy, parentage, and other info.
They MIGHT be able to ask questions about if you own your house or not. Below is is a section of snippets from the sections that seemed relavent to me. Feel free to check what's inbetween.
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EXPCITE-
TITLE 13 - CENSUS
CHAPTER 3 - COLLECTION AND PUBLICATION OF STATISTICS
SUBCHAPTER V - MISCELLANEOUS
-HEAD-
Sec. 101. Defective, dependent, and delinquent classes; crime
-STATUTE-
(a) The Secretary may collect decennially statistics relating -
(1) to the defective, dependent, and delinquent classes; and
(2) to crime, including judicial statistics pertaining thereto.
(b) The statistics authorized by subsection (a) of this section
shall include information upon the following questions, namely:
age, sex, color, nativity, parentage, literacy by race, color,
nativity, and parentage, and such other questions relating to such
subjects as the Secretary deems proper.
(c) In addition to the decennial collections authorized by
subsections (a) and (b) of this section, the Secretary may compile
and publish annually statistics relating to crime and to the
defective, dependent, and delinquent classes.
-EXPCITE-
TITLE 13 - CENSUS
CHAPTER 5 - CENSUSES
SUBCHAPTER II - POPULATION, HOUSING, AND UNEMPLOYMENT
-HEAD-
Sec. 141. Population and other census information
-STATUTE-
(a) The Secretary shall, in the year 1980 and every 10 years
thereafter, take a decennial census of population as of the first
day of April of such year, which date shall be known as the
"decennial census date", in such form and content as he may
determine, including the use of sampling procedures and special
surveys. In connection with any such census, the Secretary is
authorized to obtain such other census information as necessary.
(b) The tabulation of total population by States under subsection
(a) of this section as required for the apportionment of
Representatives in Congress among the several States shall be
completed within 9 months after the census date and reported by the
Secretary to the President of the United States.
(g) As used in this section, "census of population" means a
census of population, housing, and matters relating to population
and housing.
-EXPCITE-
TITLE 13 - CENSUS
CHAPTER 7 - OFFENSES AND PENALTIES
SUBCHAPTER II - OTHER PERSONS
-HEAD-
Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers
-STATUTE-
(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or
willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any
other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce
or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the
Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his
knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in
connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I,
II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to
the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or
farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not
more than $100.
(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a)
of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances
described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is
false, shall be fined not more than $500.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person
shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his
religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.
The full title
The full title 13.
http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/Title_13.txt
Suggestion
Just act like you never got it. If they show up at your house ask them to leave.
I was a census worker in the 2000 census
and I have no proof of anything, just what they told me then. I don't know if it is the same this year, but I don't remember any new laws about it so I assume so.
1. Yes, you are required to reply to the census. BUT you can refuse to answer any more than your name and number in your household.(this answers number two also)
3. none
4. no
5.I havn't seen the census this year, but here is a version of it. I think this is from 2003, and I don't know if it has changed or not.http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/SQuest03.pdf
6. I believe every head of household.
Now, remember that these census workers are just that: workers doing a job, and their job is to fill out the census for each person. So, if you answer just your name and then number of people, and then refuse EACH other question, they write/punch in Refused. Then, the census is all filled in and their job is done. If they don't fill it out, their supervisor will send someone else, etc. and if they can't get you to do it, they will go to your neighbors and get as many of the questions filled in as they can. So, don't be afraid to stand there and answer "refuse" to all the questions.
2.
No, you don't have to give
No, you don't have to give them your name.
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I agree - you can refuse
I have also worked the census before.
You can refuse to answer most of the questions. There were even people that refused to give their name and that was acceptable.
The main thing they need is the number of people in the home. If you refuse that one, you will probably have the census-taker's supervisor show up at your door. I think the other thing that is required is if you own or rent (if I remember correctly). Other than that, just tell them you refuse.
As far as #6, the head of household does not have to fill out the form. It can be anyone that lives there, as long as they are over 15.
Also, as hopfulfilled says, if they can't get the info from you, they are allowed to ask your neighbors.
Own Rent
no ones business...
lets face it - most of the info they ask can be found online anyway ... at least for most.
Number at house - that is all
This is because the
This is because the Constitution mandates that a headcount Census be done in order to apportion the number of Representatives. It's both a mandate and an authorization for a headcount and nothing else.
Also, another thing to keep in mind is that this mandate is on the central government and not a mandate on the people.
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The only purpose of the census is to count people in the const.
If you want to submit to the gov then there is a law that requires you to answer the complete census with penalties of fines.
My attitude is that I will only answer how many people in my domicile only if they come knock on the door.
Search for prosecution of non answering and you will find that it is not done.
bump
because I want to know too,to,two,2 :o)