Where do you stand on 911? Has one False-Flag ever been "proven?" If not, why?

I hear about the free fall stuff on the twin towers, fairly often.....to me that just doesn't really grab me. I have a background in architecture, structures, and and have taken high school and university physics. And I've perused much the information available in that realm. It's not that compelling to me. Perhaps others. Fine. Let them continue to research that.

WTC7 on the other hand, is far more interesting. I tend to look for any new info on WTC7.

Also, I will say that because of the efforts of the truthers, we have found out a bunch of other stuff, that has nothing to do with falling buildings. Things like money connections, political connections, who was where and when during 911, uncovered incompetence, uncovered lies, uncovered a variety of things.

I appreciate the truthers for digging.

Do they "damage" the movement? I really don't think so. I have such a damning view of society and people overall...I don't think it's going to make a difference.

I'm coming to the conclusion that liberty is not innate, not genetic, not in our hearts as newborns.

Instead I find it externally discovered. An amazing revelation. It's the great experiment, "a republic ma'am, if you can keep it"

and in perfectly lucid moments, I know that I must try.....because that's what we do. ....but it's fairly apparent to me, that we in the liberty movement, or future generations of liberty lovers, will have to find a new home.

where will we go? i don't know.

when the time comes, there will be an answer for a few of us, who are prepared.

so you might ask, "why bother with this movement then? if we're just gonna run at some point?"

to keep our integrity. and to keep the fires burning in our hearts.

Count the bodies related to or suspected of involvement or witnesses to these kind of operations and you will see why no one has been convicted. Most witnesses either won't speak or can't speak any longer.

The lists are long. Do your own research.

CIA, Drugs, Wall Street & 9-11
http://www.archive.org/details/MichaelC.RuppertIntroduction

It will take about an hour.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

Gregg Bemis, an American businessman who owns the rights to the wreck and is funding its exploration, said: 'Those four million rounds of .303s were not just some private hunter's stash.

'Now that we've found it, the British can't deny any more that there was ammunition on board. That raises the question of what else was on board.

'There were literally tons and tons of stuff stored in unrefrigerated cargo holds that were dubiously marked cheese, butter and oysters.

'I've always felt there were some significant high explosives in the holds - shells, powder, gun cotton - that were set off by the torpedo and the inflow of water. That's what sank the ship.'

Mr Bemis is planning to commission further dives next year in a full-scale forensic examination of the wreck off County Cork.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=76640.0

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21530.htm

While it's true you may not be able to pinpoint specific individuals responsible. The evidence is indisputable that the towers came down in a controlled demolition. It had to be an inside job for that to happen.

All the naysayers rely on a few theories put for by so called experts. However several prominent scientist and physicist laid out the only way it could have happened. There is no precedent anywhere for a high rise coming down from fire even hit by a plan the jet fuel was not hot enough etc etc.

The only precedents for such a collapse is a controlled demolition. We have similar high rises fully engulfed in flames for hours and no collapse.

As for Ron Paul either he just has not looked into it enough or he knows it's just another stick for them to hit him with so why go there when it will do him no good. Albeit he has called for an new open investigation.

As for proven false flags the Tonkin Gulf incident that got us fully into Vietnam has been proven and admitted by officials as a false flag.

It is pretty much accepted the Lusitania incident that got us into WWI was a false flag.

Pearl harbor is still disputed, may have not been a false flag but we had advanced warning and it was not acted upon. That part is not disputed but is mostly chalked up to incompetence (sound familiar?)

The Korean war also had some covert false flag operations involving the Tiger regiment and US led UN forces.

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"A Gladio official said that 'depending on the cases, we would block or encourage far-left or far-right terrorism'."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

The term comes from the old days of wooden ships, when one ship would hang the flag of its enemy before attacking another ship in its own navy. Because the enemy's flag was hung instead of the flag of the real country of the attacking ship, it was called a "false flag" attack.

There are many examples of false flag attacks through history. For example, it is widely known that the Nazis, in Operation Himmler, faked attacks on their own people and resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of Poland. And it has now been persuasively argued — as shown, for example, in this History Channel video — that Nazis set fire to their own parliament, the Reichstag, and blamed that fire on others. The Reichstag fire was the watershed event which justified Hitler's seizure of power and suspension of liberties.

And in the early 1950s, agents of an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind "evidence" implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers). Israel's Defense Minister was brought down by the scandal, along with the entire Israeli government. Click here for verification.

The Russian KGB apparently conducted a wave of bombings in Russia in order to justify war against Chechnya and put Vladimir Putin into power (see also this short essay and this report). And the Turkish government has been caught bombing its own and blaming it on a rebel group in order to justify a crackdown on that group. Muslim governments also play this game. For example, the well-respected former Indonesian president claimed that their government had a role in the Bali bombings.

This sounds nuts, right? You've never heard of this "false flag terrorism," where a government attacks its own people then blames others in order to justify its goals, right? And you are skeptical of the statements discussed above? Please take a look at these historical quotes:

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - U.S. President James Madison

"Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Hermann Goering, Nazi leader.

What about the U.S.?

Is it logical to assume that, even if other countries have carried out false flag operations (especially horrible regimes such as, say, the Nazis or Stalin), the U.S. has never done so? Well, as documented by the New York Times, Iranians working for the C.I.A. in the 1950's posed as Communists and staged bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected president (see also this essay).

And, as confirmed by a former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence, NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and blamed communists, in order to rally people’s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism. As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: "You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

Moreover, recently declassified U.S. Government documents show that in the 1960s, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan code-named Operation Northwoods to blow up American airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. The operation was not carried out only because the Kennedy administration refused to implement these Pentagon plans.

For lots more on the astonishing Operation Northwoods, see the ABC news report; the official declassified documents; and watch this interview with James Bamford, the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC's World News Tonight with Peter Jennings. One quote from the Northwoods documents states: "A 'Remember the Maine' incident could be arranged: We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

What about Al-Qaeda
read more http://www.wanttoknow.info/falseflag

It was proven to be a lie..

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