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Now this is too much

I tried discussing with a (now former friend) neo-con about some recognition for the genocide/holocaust against Christians and Armenians in Russia under bolshevik rule. I stated that over 50 million people were slaughtered and it's never discussed as a public topic or even recognized. He told me that the number killed in Russia was made up and called me a anti-semite for trying to distract from the world's worst act of genocide in history that occurred in Germany during the 1940's against the Jewish population.

First, how the heck is this anti-semitic?

Second, how am I making up a number recorded in history?

Third, why isn't genocide against Christians and Armenians ever recognized as the worst genocidal act ever committed in the history of mankind or even considered a genocide/holocaust?

What gives? Am I missing something here?



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This is so full of faulty / non-sequitor arguments that it

is hardly worthy of a response.

There is no contest to be the poster children for discrimination and bigotry, rather documenting their experience of it to understand it and educate others to end all bigotry , discrimination, and genocide for all people and the world.

It is used as a platform to fight against all bigotry ... bigotry against catholics, alternative lifestyles, or based on genetics. The rallying cry "never again" speaks of all genocide, discrimination, bigotry or any other type of "cide"

May there be peace in Jerusalem and in the whole world.

"The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments."
— Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

Don't forget...

Jesus was a raving anti semite (pro gentile) and the New Testament is total hate speach and should be banned right?
Here is a good link on the Russian Holocaust

http://www.pgorg.com/russianholocaust.html

Here is another
http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/Jews.and.Communism.htm

Cows think they are free, this is no bull, the beast must be Fed, with pitchfork instead

Cows think they are free, this is no bull, the beast must be Fed, with pitchfork instead

Large Can of Worms...

Your nin-com-poop ex-buddy needs a Bud, a Lay-z-Boy and American Idol. Firstly, the Russians have slaughtered more people than we could ever imagine....the first to go>? Educated people.
Germany's Reich may have slaughtered 6 million....but they weren't all jews. The captured and killed catholic priests, homosexuals, mentally retarded, handicapped, gypsies, Poles, and in general, anyone who didn't fit the mold of Ayrian....oh yeah, they killed a million-or-so jews as well. Don't believe all the propaganda that your idiot-neo-con ex-buddy does.
The Armenian thing was a huge event as well....just as the Japanese did, the Chinese did, ...don't forget "The Killing Fields"...gone first were the educated people!!! The business owners!! The intellectuals!! Just as George Carlin and L. Rockwell have been telling us: our masters don't want us to think too much...just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork....sorta like your neo-con pal.

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"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

the idiot should know that

the idiot should know that Stalin alone starved 20 million ukrainians... does he remeber that? I am with you tho.. for some reason 6 million jewish people get killed and that was such a great horror, but when 20 million ukrainians get wacked it was no big deal.. why is it that the Jews figure they need more sympathy then the hundreds of million who were tortured and murdered before them?

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

If he doesn't like those numbers....

Tell him to look into the Chinese pograms after we abandoned Chang Kai Shek (sp?) and stalled arms shipments in Okinawa and instead sent him guns without bolts. Rockefeller funded the meme that accompanied our abandonment of the Nationalists and allowed for the murder of deca-millions.

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"...there is no doubt that it (socialism) could not possibly have affected us so widely and so deeply as it has, had it not been heavily financed". - B. Carroll Reece

Someone here a while back

posted a great video from youtube about what happen in Russia it was very interesting. My puter is acting up other wise I would look for it. good luck

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

This should be a lesson about what is coming to the US

Multicultural societies ultimately end in genocide.

Read Civil War Two:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/misc/CWII.pdf

We are headed for the same thing as part of the collapse of the USA, and the change in demographics, particularly in the Southwest.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

You think that's a hard sell?

Try telling your neo-con buddy that the Iraqi murder campaign kindled by USA in 2003 is by definition, genocide.

This sends a neo-con off the rails and into an immediate tirade.

You're not alone

I've been blasted and scorned in the past for pointing out that Stalin killed more people than Hitler.

Just plain ignorance.

I'm not sure it is as simple as that.

However, you need to be very clear. (Many Armenians were Christians by the way) The action wasn't genocide against Christians necessarily - so I think your framing of the issue could cause a problem. It just happened to be that a high percentage of people in that part of the world were Orthodox Catholics. But, many were also Muslim, Kurds, Jews, etc... Some were Slovak and Polish military deserters and POWs captured in WWI. The prisons were horrible things - and probably half of the people in the camps were political prisoners and considered "dissidents" (sort of like the people mentioned in the MIAC report) because they were resisting the revolution or even just for anti-government writing and jokes.

I'm not justifying anything and there should have been Neuremburgh-type trials for the atrocities. But, if you frame your argument in these terms, it is easier in a humanistic way for your friend to agree to the evil of them. Also, while there were many camps in the Southern part of the Russian empire that were run by Jewish military, saying that all gulags of the time were that way is just not true. So, again, if you clarify and use the gulag system as a whole it may be more agreeable. And, clarifying that while there was persecution against Christians and other religious people, it was driven by the need to destroy the opposition, might help.

Just my thoughts.

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Thanks for the insight

I will try to watch the how I pose my questions next time.

I agree with ckpac, and that is the problem with this country...

If people learned, and accept the levels of corruption, theft, and criminal acts that occur by elected officials, then they might have to get off the couch and do something about it, so the best way to deal with it is denial. That is why we are such a threat to the establishment. For many years not a peep from the public, mainlky due to the politically controlled media which would break a redundant story and make it a headline to cover scandals, and other violations these cretins. Now with the power of the web, people are allowed to discuss freely topics which were off limits at say, church, or social gatherings. It will take one major screw up, like amnesty to ignite the fire and the American people will say with one voice ENOUGH!

The internet is no threat to national security, it is more of a threat to the corruption that is Washington. That is why I feel that the republicans will give us all some feel good information about auditing the fed, and make the dems vote it out, or perhaps force Obama to veto it (if it even makes it that far) for their own political gain, but rest assured that this bill will make zero headway, as they know if the truth about where our money goes is ever in the open, there would be a revolution over night. The pundits on Fox will be cheering the liberty loving neo-cons and their desire to audit the fed, but in the end they will use it to blast the dems, as if it is their fault and continue to separate us under the guise that they are the good guys.

In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
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Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

Ask your friend to watch this documentary..

perhaps he will recognize how his beliefs have been conditioned by propaganda /media... also reccomend some history books regarding the bolshevik rule in Russia.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6604775898578139565

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Only say what you hear others say. And make sure they are MSM

talk about tv shows and football games. Love what your supposed to and hate what your supposed to. Don't rock the boat. Everything will be fine.

Lets not forget that the

Lets not forget that the Japanese did far worse in China than what happened to the Jewish people in Germany. Alot of Historians refuse to discuss what happened in China for fear of being called anti-semite. Lets not forget that according to most people the Armenians, Christians, and the Chinese are not the chosen ones, this is why subjects like this are swept under the rug.

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-P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian

AKA GIVE ME FREEDOM

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.

-P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian

AKA GIVE ME FREEDOM

Absoloutely true...

See the youtube..."rape of nanking"

You're not "anti-semitic"

and you're right on target.
Your "friend" is a zealot, who cannot see the truth.
He's far too invested in using propaganda to advance his political stance.

Remind him that ....

....even the Jews have backed off the 6 million figure of how many Jews were killed in Germany.

"anti-semite"

Is the most overused and watered down charge I have come across in all my years on this earth.

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Just a...

(not so popular) buzz word now.

can't label soviets as right

can't label soviets as right wing?

people usually confuse

anti-Semitic with anti-Israel.......

Semitic is not just the jews....its all of the middle eastern arabs!!!