When the government sets an example of lawlessness, it affects the entire population.
Submitted by Ralph Waldo on Fri, 04/24/2009 - 11:09
In the last 8 years this country has endured numerous illegal acts including 911, the Iraq War, Voter Fraud, Financial Fraud and now torture. Yet still no one has been held accountable, fired, arrested or put on trial.
When the government sets an example of lawlessness, it affects the entire population including an influence on children and their understanding of right and wrong. The principle of unintended consequences is hard at work and one of these days the price will be paid.
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Shredding rule of law = imploding economy
Let all your friends know.
It is a fact of economics that a shoddy rule of law will DESTROY free enterprise.
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...the people are supposed to take control of lawlessness....
...government.
You are so right that governmental lawlessness is a bad example for kids. I would respectfully submit, however, (and perhaps you would have written this yourself had you made a longer post) that the worst possible example for kids is parents who are seen to whine and complain, but never to take back control of that government. I have seen a hundred kids who has learned to complain for every one kid who has learned to be proactive.
In this country, we have got things backwards. The government is indeed a reflection and extension of the people, and not the other way around. Our governments are corrupt---having jumped the track of the documents that established them because WE THE PEOPLE are corrupt---not even bothering to read or to understand those documents for ourselves.
Now please understand that this is not a personal attack on you. How could I, not having any idea who you are? Rather, your post makes an opportunity to comment on the society as a whole.
The reason that most of our recent presidents avoided impeachment, trial, removal from office, criminal trials, and jail is because WE THE PEOPLE didn't insist on it. In fact, the reason that such lawless people could ever attain to the office in the first place is that the American people do not care that we are a nation that doesn't follow its own laws.
If we DID care, we'd see to it on purpose that we'd only vote for candidates who would vow ahead of time to go put the government back on track.
Jack Pelham
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As another example of my viewpoint..... we can actually
go back much farther than 8 years. I remember during the Clinton administration there was the big uproar over Elian Gonzales. I remember that on the day that the swat team broke down the door with their guns drawn and kidnapped that child..... and it was all over the news.... I was sitting in an airport. I thought to myself, well, it is not significant that the government DID this because that is what governments DO. What will be significant will be whether the populace ACCEPTS this or demands prosecutions. Needless to say..... the populace did nothing and at that point I knew that the country was officially over.
It is the PEOPLE that must change their outlook and their demands upon their elected officials. THEN we will get different people elected. WHAT THE COUNTRY HAS BECOME IS WHAT THE POPULACE HAS WANTED! Bush and Obama were elected because THEY ARE what the country has BECOME. We have become a nation of killers, thieves, con-men..... a nation of PIRATES.
So again.... this is a project that MUST be worked from the bottom and move up.... Replacing those at the top will ONLY be possible if the people DEMAND it.
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Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."
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Yes, don't tell the citizens, but....
The lawlessness goes back a very, very long time. And it covers practically every president, including Abraham Lincoln. Only in this last year did I look closely enough to figure out that it was completely unconstitutional for him to take up arms against seceding states. And with that (and other violations of his), the lustre of the great Lincoln is gone from my mind.
I don't mean to pooh-pooh every act of every president, as if none had ever done a good deed. Rather, my focus is on just how deadly this lawlessness has been. And I'm not talking about using opium in the White House or jay walking; I'm talking about violating the very Constitution they swore to defend and to protect.
If we as a people cared about such things, we sure could take a bite out of crime! If that's what we want, we have to rally around the Rule of Law, and resist the temptation to spread ourselves too thin in the myriad peripheral issues of the day.
Jack Pelham
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I remember during the
I agree with you. I think the country is officially over.
A key factor you did not mention about that horrifying circus was that the media reported the atrocity (much like the Mt. Carmel case in Waco), but did not attack the government. It did not pass judgement or editorialize on the brutality of seizing a crying little boy from his relatives at the point of a machinegun. Ooooh, just too much moral confusion here to deal with!
The corporate/pro-government media is the number one problem. Our news media is no better than Pravda under the Soviets or Goebbels under Hitler. And I believe that media is complicit in every evil government does. Heaven only knows how many atrocities to children have occurred in Iraq that would make the Elian case pale by comparison...if they were reported to the public.
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Actually I believe it is the other way around.....
When a society as a whole rejects it's moral compass, prefers the immediate unearned pleasure to the long term pleasure that must be earned, prefers stealing goods from his neighbor rather than working for his own livelihood, prefers the convenience of immediate pleasure over the responsibilities of family, prefers eliminating unwanted children or elders as too much trouble, and prefers to allow others to do the "thinking" for them, in effect that society leads itself into extinction preferring a culture of death over a culture of life...... At that point, the society itself sets the tone and elects rulers like themselves.
This is a bottom up phenomenon that we are seeing now, not a top down. Of course evil will entice the weaker nature of man into this position, but it is the choices that a society has made for generations that determine it's course.
This is why educating the masses to Libertarian thinking, and respect for the rights of every individual over the theft of the collective is going to be a long-term task. What we are trying to do is turn society's direction back on course.
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"Not armies, not nations, have advanced the race; but here and there, in the course of ages, an individual has stood up and cast his shadow over the world." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6pAcBXt2j8
Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."
Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs
Interesting perspective!
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I think that if we see it this way....
We see a whole different picture of our purpose. Instead of continually banging our heads against the political machine, we would see that the way to change the politicians is to change public perception and social mood so that they will ONLY elect Constitution minded Libertarians to office.
But this is a tough and long road...... so we get tempted to point upward and shake our fist instead of looking at those around us and working one on one to change minds and hearts. This is why I get much more encouraged when people are giving needed information to the uneducated masses (like at the recent Tea Parties..... gather a bunch of ignorant sheep in one place and hand them info while their minds are sitting there vacant) than when they are screaming at the politicians. Educate, Educate, Educate in order to change the country and the world.
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"Not armies, not nations, have advanced the race; but here and there, in the course of ages, an individual has stood up and cast his shadow over the world." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6pAcBXt2j8
Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."
Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs
I was with you right up until.....
...you got to "Libertarians". Here's your quote (emphasis added):
The "Constitution-minded" part was great, and then when I saw the word Libertarians, I was thrown for a loop.
Now please understand what I'm trying to say. I belong to no party, and I have friends who belong to each of the bigger parties out there. But here's my question for you:
If a candidate is "Constitution minded", then why must he also belong to some certain party in order to be a good candidate for office?
I don't care what party a candidate belongs to, if that candidate can follow the Constitution as written in while in office. See, once people get some crazy idea in their minds like "public service" and "constitutional obedience", their their party affiliation becomes such a diluted notion.
I'm not looking to pick a fight here, but just to present a different paradigm for your consideration. The nation is so conditioned to party-baiting that I hesitate to criticize W for fear that I'll naturally be assumed a "Democrat" (whatever that is)---and I'm afraid to criticize Obama for fear that I'll naturally be assumed a "Republican" (whatever that is).
Frankly, I think we could have an awfully success and constitutionally-obedient nation without any parties whatsoever. And if I read my history right, Geo. Washington would be proud of that.
Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
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Public perception?
Ever watch TV? Read newspapers and magazines? It's been done and continues 24/7, and it's the other side reaping the rewards.
The party label for elected officials doesn't matter if those officials are accountable to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, to state Constitutions, city charters and county charters.
Exactly... but it is the PUBLIC that has to demand it
"Not armies, not nations, have advanced the race; but here and there, in the course of ages, an individual has stood up and cast his shadow over the world." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6pAcBXt2j8
Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."
Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs
Yes, so true!
Karma is inescapable and we're setting ourselves up for a doozy.
Sad
but true.
It's not what you know..
..But who you know that will help you cover it up!
Hear, hear.
We now have a system where honest men are made into criminals by ridiculous laws, a la Atlas Shrugged, and the government simultaneously does not obey its own laws.
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
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Support the Constitution of the United States
Double Hear
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Triple Hear
"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy
"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."
Hear Hear Hear Hear
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It's true... it's the reason I'm not wearing underwear right now
I figure, what the hell...?
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
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Dare to be an outlaw!
Thanks for my morning chuckle.
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I am appalled by my government
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I love my country
I am appalled by my government
it is being paid daily, sadly
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