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Nazi Cops 2: Video Proof of the 100% Police State!!! Watch and Weep!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrJwSYr9SMg&feature=related
----Nazi Cop Sniper Shoots at Children

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXkG5Rl4uIo
----Civilians Beat Down Nazi Cop - Rescue Innocent Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQez4jQO81c&NR=1
----Nazi Cop Injurs Cutlery Salesmen (for no apparent reason)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRf2Ux4dIUQ&NR=1
----Nazi Cop Drowns Baby (The Sheds Tears of Joy)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzxVQuCvOeY&NR=1
----Evidence of Nazi Racist Cop using MIND CONTROL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40fuZ4jGXTU
----Highway Gestapo verbally assaults Citizen!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otOmIMiQXQI&feature=related
----Aryan Nazi Racist Protestors get SUPPORT from Nazi Cop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1oR03fg6-4&feature=related
----Black Nazi Cop (see it too believe it)
----Oh, by-the-by I was born at this hospital!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HHk9fg2SA
----Another Black Nazi Cop Dances in the Face of Injustice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwQVwvt5LOU&feature=related
----Nazi Cop chokes Homelessman in Restaraunt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ7GiJqMFLs&feature=related
----Humorless Gestapo Taunts Motorists with his Wicked Ways

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4OB0aK5YRg&feature=related
----Model Gentlemen/Husband Harrangued by Nazi Cop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSePuaR9ibY&feature=related
----Sick Twisted Nazi Cop Humor (these are real cops by-the-by)

Maybe the word "Nazi" should not be thrown around so lightly - Maybe there are good cops and bad cops. Maybe good cops have bad days and bad cops have good days.

Maybe type-casting "cops" is group-think? For every one bad-cop video you could find there are 10,000 bad citizen videos.

Let's get Cops Turned onto Oathkeepers and C4L!!!

300,000 officers -- 20 unique friends -- 6,000,000 potential RP voters!

18,000,000 Emergency Services Personnel (Cops, Military, Hwy Patrol, Fire Dept, EMT, Prison Guard, Search and Rescue, and Dispatchers) -- If they have 10 unique friend/family -- 180,000,000 potential RP voters!

Let's bring 'em in.




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Under the original constitution and bill of rights

were there any state troopers?

I think every one should become somewhat of a law enforcer, and learn the true meaning of the constitutional rule of law and subsequent bill of rights.

Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/

Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/

lol nice to see you oruval..

lol nice to see you oruval.. I thought you got banned for that pulled post this afternoon! :)

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

"Ineptocracy: a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confisc

Nah I pulled it

I just wanted to make a few moderators have a laugh.

Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/

Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/

lol.............. "When

lol..............

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

"Ineptocracy: a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confisc

Octobox.... thank you for

Octobox.... thank you for this post.. good laughs and goods jobs..
My son is 20 and is going into the Colorado State Patrol. He will apply in August. He is just like me.. a Ron Paul supporting libertarian. One of my
or I should say our closet family friends is a major, soon to be lt. colonel for the Colorado State Patrol. He voted for Ron Paul.. when he could not vote for Paul in the general election he voted for Baldwin.. according to him many State Troopers did.. I asked him a question last week when he and I and our wives went to dinner and a movie. I asked him how he will like kicking in doors to confiscate firearms when obumma gives the order.. He told me it won't happen. "We swore an oath to the Constitution".
Not obumma, not the liberal governor, but to the Constitution.. Our Chief , I know for sure will not give that order. There are good cops and bad cops.. luckily I think there is more good then bad.. People only look at the bad. I have never met a jerk cop.. when I have been pulled over or even times when the cops showed up when I was fighting, they treated me very well.. They even congratulated me on my overhand right that knocked a guy out who was coming after me with mace and a straight razor! we need police.. some folks only see one side...

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

"Ineptocracy: a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confisc

again answer the question

Do you as master cop trainer and all around zen center of the universe think this monster should be held responsible and punished severely?
You said he will get off and in our sick society I dont doubt that, but do you make excuses and blame it on his training?

I dont just rail against cops, I have one living 2 houses down from me and we are friends. I made it a point to introduce myself and my family to him. I am thankful to have such a good guy on my side in times like these, and I know his response to this would have been much clearer than yours

gotta go for now I got to get to work

Fergmx1: Yes and No

A drunk driver is severly punished because driving "un-trained" (in this case regarding the effects of alcohol) is impossible -- it is common knowledge.

In the case of this officer if it can be found that there is no training for "Condition Black" (which is scientific reality not speculation) and if it can be shown that during Condition Black one goes into vaso-constriction and his blood pools into the chest and lower brain (which it does) then a "temporary" insanity plea could be made -- in fact this is how temporary insanity is argued (well in non-drug cases).

This stress-reaction dumbs you down to a point of "condition response" -- If he were a civilian this is where he gets killed by the intruder (freezes). For officers they are trained to "draw their gun," 1000 of times per year in practice -- as rookies even more often.

They never practice "drawing" their taser (for speed or kill room course work) so -- In condition black - he draws his gun and shoots it without one single thought.

Now -- Do I think a person who is temporarily insane be punished (beyond his un-imagineable guilt) -- No. As a Corporatist Public Official I would have too -- To appease the Big Lobbyists (ACLU and NAACP) and to win during re-elections.

As I said the punishment will be minor because there is probably nothing in this guys past that would suggest this was blood sport -- then again I dno't know.

I don't deal in absolutes -- It's not the Inidvidual-Anarchist position or philosophy.

If it had been my child and I was there when it happened -- I would have broke his neck -- Hopefully you would argue the "Condition Black" hyper stress argument on my behalf.

I'm not a "Zen Master of the Universe" or whatever you said, hahahaha. I'm just not a flippin' alarmist -- I think things through -- I'm an entrepreneur -- I'm a Free-Market Anarchist -- I believe in Warrior Culture and Non-Violence.

I'm a homeschooling parent -- I'm not a "troll" and I'm never rude or disrespectful -- I never curse. Well sometimes I'm disrespectful when sarcasm gets the better of me, hahaha.

Octobox

temporary insanity???

Look man you are making pathetic excuses for cold blooded murder and I dont buy it for a second. If I get drunk and plow my truck into another car and kill somebody can I claim "condition black" because I blacked out and get off? Not a chance, I would be thrown under the jail and rightfully so. I am all for oath keepers but I would never want someone with your mentality anywhere near it. Tell this garbage to Oscars 4 year old daughter who is now without a dad.

I showed that clip of the shooting to my local cop neighbor and he almost started crying right in front of me. I guess he is just being "alarmist" too.
Police nationwide are totally out of control. It has to be stopped.

Fergmx1: What do you do for a living?

If Oscar were my child and I witnessed it I would have tried to kill that cop. After I calmed down - after a few days. I'd ask for a full investigation.

There's no reasoning with you -- You read into what people say and put words and thoughts in their mouths.

"Police nationwide are totally out of control."

Really? All 900K of them? How many cops out of the 900K interact with the public? Guess.

900K -- divide that number up amongst the various depts.
Administration --
Metering --
Traffic --
Accident Investigation --
Homicide Investigation --
CSI --
Chaplins --
Gang Task Force --
SWAT --
Auto Theft Investigation --
Dispatchers --

Who are the "evil" ones -- who's out of control? I mean you thought that group-think statement through -- articulate it.

A welfarist abdicating society is not likely to produce idealic Cops -- They come from us. That being said "8" (wrongful deaths) is a very low number accross 306M people.

You asked me if I thought he should be punished severly -- maybe I should of asked what you meant by that?

Was it 1st degree murder - 2nd degree murder - 3rd degree murder - Or accidental homicide? How did you determine it -- because you CAN'T determine it from video. The degrees revolve around intent.

So, what's a fair punishment.

Eye for an Eye -- Execute him on the BART platform in front of his kids?

Water Board Him?

How about 15 years in prison? Put him in general population?

How about 1/2 his salary go to Oscar's kid for the next 20 years?

What will bring you satisfaction -- What would you do to him if you were alone in a room (today)?

Im a CNC (computer numeric controlled) machinist

I run a huge machine that supplies all the major railroads. Hopefully I can keep doing that but it looks like the economy has other ideas. The company is VAE Nortrak, the main base is in Austria, North American base in Vancouver Canada. I also love racing dirt bikes doing fmx (freestyle motocross) demos in random places and long moonlit walks on the beach. Again, what does this have to do with anything?

You talk out of both sides of your mouth saying you would try to kill the cop and investigate but then say "oh the police are not that bad, what do you want them to do? shoot him in front of his kids?" I am done with reading your mile long ridiculous posts. The fact that it took this long to get a straight answer out of you already told me what I needed to know anyway.

I will ask you again since all you can do is dodge the question

What reason did that cop have to even tase that guy with 4 other cops holding him down face first as he is begging for his life?

Are you suggesting he is not responsible because it was his training and it should be ruled an "accident"??

Damn right I have raw emotion, I watched a totally helpless man murdered by a NAZI cop in what is supposed to be my free country

I hope I have the capacity to understand your answer

Fergmx: I've never "dodged" that question

You spit a lot of venom and it's hard to keep up :)

I will answer it. You are talking about the B.A.R.T Police case right? These are Transit Police, not P.D, by-the-by. I don't know their budget or training -- I would think they probably hire from Police Academies.

I asked the cops what they thought and 1 out of the 20 I asked said that he (himself) accidently pulled his gun instead of the taser when they were wrestling a 250lb meth addict 3rd strike parolee who just murdered his girlfriend. Thankfully he didn't shoot the gun. So, why in a far far less serious of a situation did the BART Cop use his taser?

The others said it is poor training and part of "Condition Black" -- They have ZERO training in this area -- ZERO. Whatever skill you have right now in handling your emotions you'll receive no greater training on it (other than tactics - which is only half the answer) before your busting down doors with a 180 bpm pounding heart -- vasoconstriction -- loss of blood to forebrain -- limited to tactical (condition response).

This is the whole point of my work. Non-Lethal Defensive Tactics and Conscious-Sleep (breath - tension - emotional cognizance).

I agree 100% with you -- He should not have pulled his Taser.

That being said if you understand Condition Black you'll know why he pulled it

I'm saying the problem is Condition Black and ZERO Defensive Tactics training. I could have handled that guy by myself using control tactics.

He will get off -- That case will probably not make court for a year or longer.

He might get manslaughter to please the ACLU and NAACP.

Had he and his crew been properly trained they would not have pulled their secondary weapons.

My cops all test for decreased dependency on pepper spray and taser.

I know this wont satisfy you -- I would ask that you not throw out the 900K Cops (baby) with the 1 individual (bath water).

As Individual-Anarchist we want privatized security --where the firm is fully responsible for its actions -- no subsidization.

A Groupists lumps by Groups and Individualist takes each evil case by case.

Octobox

Frzngds (Frozen Goods?)

The American Federation of Police (with there 100,000 members) did a poll last year - during out election (I commented on it back then) that Cops predominately were in favor of Ron Paul -- by their 100,000 person poll.

All gov't employees -- when they contribute to a campaign there dollar-support-statistics are made public. Exactly like the military.

The AFP (above) said that Ron Paul was supported by more cops than all other candidates combined. Now I can't say if that's true, but I can't say if its true regarding the military either.

I've known 1000's of cops over 20 years (literally).

I can say that the 50 or so that I know now were all in favor of Ron Paul (every single one). They told me that the cops they know were "predominately" in favor of Ron Paul.

I can only go by those sources.

None of that has to do with my argument which is maybe -- just maybe not "all" cops are Nazis -- Maybe the 900K cops and their 10 uniques friends-family might be great allies.

Maybe we shouldn't ostricize them for a bad "few"

Now why don't you show me some statistics on how many 'evil' (created in a vaccuum) cops there are -- out of 900K populace and out of a 300M person society.

A few (less than 100) videos on Youtube showing "evil" cops spanning 20 years of video taping is not enough justification to throw out the entire 900K population.

Octobox

What is the role of the police?

Well I know Ron Paul got more donations from the military than all other candidates combined up until the primary(I believe Obama passed his total later), but I would not have expected anything different....Ron Paul was the only candidate running that respects his oath to the Constitution and he was the only candidate running that would have brought the troops home.

As for police, I could see how they would want to support the only candidate running that had any integrity.....but just because they might support the same candidate as myself doesn't mean that I fully support the police. Actually I see the police just as revenue collectors for the state, whereas they spend most of their time enforcing statutes and codes against citizens that have not infringed upon another citizens rights or property. That's my problem....I see the police(as it stands right now) as a huge waste of taxes and huge burden upon individual liberty. Police should only be enforcing "laws".PERIOD. Heck hire more firefighters and paramedics, at least they actually help you if you're in need and you don't have to worry about them throwing you in a cage and/or fining you.

And please don't tell me I'm ignorant about the realities out there...I'm a thirty five year old small business owner with over forty employees and what I find really sad is that every single one of my employees that has been to jail or prison was put in there for doing something other than infringing upon another citizens rights or property(ie DUI's, drugs/selling drugs, warrants for missing court dates on traffic infringements, etc) And I'm willing to bet that this is the case almost everywhere. What a waste of peoples lives and taxpayers dollars....and the police are the face for this fraud upon the citizens.

Frzngds: Agreed

I can't argue with that.

This is why I want to "pull" the cops in - to Oathkeepers - to LEAP - to C4L.

Actually I train all first responders -- That's an 18M person community. If they each know 10 unique friends it's a 180M person community.

We can't lose with 180M Individual Anarchist. In fact I don't think we need even 1/4 of that number to reach a tipping point.

Good Post,

Octobox

A few (less than 100) videos

A few (less than 100) videos on Youtube showing "evil" cops spanning 20 years of video taping is not enough justification to throw out the entire 900K population.

Agreed...

However, 20 years of "good cops" not doing a D@MN thing to stop it IS a reason to consider...

Who's to stop the "bad cops?" The "good cops" sure aren't doing it are they? Are they?

I don't want to "throw out" the good cops... But UNTIL they DO THEIR JOB and arrest the "bad cops," then they are NOT good cops. Is that hard to understand or what?

"We the People" can not arrest the "bad cops" can we?

So, we are to trust that the "good cops" will take care of us? History does not make that claim valid.

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ~ Margaret Mead

No that's not the answer

It's the fault of the Abdicating Populace -- Always looking for some other gov't figure (in this case cops) to solve the problem.

We abdicate to congress -- Congress creates the War on Drugs

Congress writes the Laws that the Police follow.

We the Abdicators need to take back our Anarchy.

Again -- There are very few "bad" cops.

It's not the "issue" -- Its not your greatest threat.

36,000 die every year from the flu

16,000,000 have asthma -- 3,800 die from it every year

23,800,000 have diabetes -- 75,000 die every year

25,000,000 have heart disease -- 652,000 die every year

24,000,000 have hyper tension disorder -- 25,000 die every year

90,000,000 are obese (out of 300,000,000)

Given the number of elderly - children - and diseased. Maybe the C4L would be wiser to convert warriors who have already proven to support Ron Paul, rather than leaving them to Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage.

Octobox

Looking for others to solve the problem????

NO. I'm looking for Policemen to DO THEIR JOB.

I'm required to do mine correctly, or I don't get to keep that job.

I'm not looking for someone else to fix the problem! I am stating that if the "good cops" were doing what they have sworn to do, then this thread wouldn't need to exist.

Oh, and didn't you read my thread below about your statistics?

And FYI, I go out of my way to give copies of DVD's to Policemen and Firemen. I don't know if it will make a difference or not, but I go out of my way to ensure that any Policeman or Fireman I encounter gets a copy of Fiat Empire and Freedom to Fascism.

So, don't think I want to oust anyone from "The Message." I just don't think that Policemen should allow what is happening to happen. "We the People" cannot arrest the oh so very few "bad cops" so, who are we to count on to do it? Simple question.

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ~ Margaret Mead

LoveandLight: I hear you

Didn't mean to rile you up :) It's good for the blood, a little spice, smile.

I'm glad you are doing your part.

Let's put things in an understandable thought-frame.

Of the 900K cops only a small number would investigate other cops.

Inside Cop World there are isolated and aloof groups (though there is a general fraternity). There are Gang Taskforce - Patrol - SWAT - Traffic - Accident Investigation - Murder Investigation - Public Affairs - Administration

Most of the 900K cops do not go-through-the-door or respond to dangerous situations -- though most agencies make their cops rotate assignments.

Out of 380 there are only 8 wrongful deaths per year (95% are return fire) and then 11 are accidents -- meaning 361 (there abouts) is justified / self-defense / protecting other civilians.

Cops are busy investigating 2,000,000 assaults - 1,200,000 thefts - 95,000 rapes - 16,000 murders. And remember not all cops "investigate."

The 8 or so wrongful deaths are just not as high priority for election seeking mayors and D.A's.

If you want cops to change focus form a coalition and petition mayors and d.a's accross America.

The "real issue" is eliminating the Fed Reserve - eliminating Lobbying - and Privatize 99% of the Federal Gov't and 97% of State Gov'ts.

Then the 8 wrongful deaths will drop by over 60% or more -- whatever number of people are in jail for drugs. You will always have some low number (maybe 1 or 2) per year of wrongful deaths by cops.

8 out of 900K is not that bad -- Better than any other country in the world; save Hong Kong or Ireland or Iceland or Switzerland.

Octobox

Believe me when I tell you

It takes more than a website to "rile" me up.

But thanks for the response. However, my question still stands:

"We the People" cannot arrest the oh so very few "bad cops" so, who are we to count on to do it? Simple question.

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ~ Margaret Mead

LoveandLight: Hahaha -- Gotcha -- "Don't Tread on Me"

and I wont, smile.

You question should be answered.

If we have 8 wrongful deaths per year from Cops -- how much improvement will you get in a Free-Society.

We don't "arrest" Cops.

What we do is "arrest" those who influence policy -- As Ron Paul has been saying and as I've been saying: Arrest the Fed -- Arrest Lobbying -- Eliminate the Senior Politician (One Term Only -- That's my position) -- Form a Consumer Union to Arrest the Corporatists (daily dollar vote them out).

We take it back where we have power and stop seeking others to do it for us.

Octobox

So,

What you're saying is that at no point in time should "good cops" EVER arrest "bad cops?"

You are saying that it is our (the "civilians" being tazed and shot) job to make sure that over the course of time we elect people into positions that will make it all go away?

Then why even have Policemen swear an oath to protect and serve?

So, what I'm understanding here is that "bad cops" should NEVER be arrested, just elect new officials that will not let "bad cops" in the academy?

One more question:
What part of:
IT IS THEIR JOB TO ARREST BAD COPS
doesn't make sense to you?

I am not seeking others to do it for me! Man, can I make that any clearer? I am SEEKING for Policemen to do what they have SWORN to do! They swore they would protect the public. Why are they letting the oh so very few "bad cops" off the hook? They swore to protect the public. How in the name of all that is pure and holy is me expecting them to do that being turned into me "looking for someone else" to do it?

I'm looking for the one's who swore to do it, to do it. Not someone else.

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ~ Margaret Mead

LoveandLight: Maybe I'm not being clear or providing too

You are under some kind of delusion that cops don't arrest cops -- It happens every year.

Of course bad cops need to be arrested. Did you read something of mine where I said specifically "bad cops" don't exist or shouldn't be arrested? Of course not -- the rest of your post is invalid based on a faulty premise.

You said: "I am not seeking others to do it for me! Man, can I make that any clearer? I am SEEKING for Policemen to..........." Yes I know there's more -- but this was my point -- you are "seeking" out others to do it for you.

The police have 16,000 murders to solve -- Gangs to Corralle - 95,000 Rapes to Solve -- Kidnappings to investigate -- 2,000,000 assaults to respond to (per year) -- and there are only 900K cops AND AND AND Only 20% investigate.

There are 8 wrongful deaths vs all of that!

The DA's office is down the hall. Go talk to Internal Affairs -- They investigate cops -- Not other Cops.

Cops do get arrested -- Arrested by other Cops

Did you watch the videos I have up there -- There's one where cops arrerst another cop. It happens.

I give up

You are correct. It is completely wrong for me to expect others to do what they have sworn to do.

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ~ Margaret Mead

IMO

Fortune Favors the Bold
there are basically two kinds of cops

There's the "just following orders" kind, who see what they do as a job, probably think they do more good then harm, the end justifies the means, or rather just don't think about the morality of it too much at all.

My guess, that's about two-thirds of cops.

There's also the the other kind. The guy who joins because he likes power, likes to wield his big stick and be "THE LAW".

I'd say that's the other third.

Fortune Favors the Bold

JohnGalt: I can't argue with that

Because you just made it up.

I would agree with you if you said it like this: 1) There are cops who do their job (to the letter), 2) There are cops who are Hero Seeking (take risks), and 3) There are cops who are into Authority (sheep dogs).

Sometimes Sheepdogs bite -- but its rare in a 300M person society.

No one can counter the simple statistics and the basis of my argument.

There's only 380 cases of cops killing civilians per year -- 95% of which are from return-fire. Out of 900K cops and 300M civilians. That's "nothing" in a society this size.

There are 16,000 civi on civi murders (actual murders not self-defense). 9,500 are gang on gang (groupists).

The groupist mindset (I'm not saying you are one of them) is to loop all 900K cops into the 5% of 380 Cop category -- The 5% is comprised of "accidental shootings" (overshooting - gun malfunction - condition black) and wrongful deaths (murder for hire - cover up - blue shielf justice).

The latter is real it happens, but it's less than 5% of the 380. Whereas all 16,000 civi on civi are non-accidental homicide.

Octobox

one statistic that is almost impossible to find

Is the number of police arrested while off the job. I'm sure the 380 is for police activity while on duty. I have heard that the arrest rate for police is higher than for the general public.

Also, how many arrests are thrown out for police violations of civil rights ?

One last thing, I have noticed a change in police attitude over the last 20 years to a much more of an enforcer, and less of a servant. Is it my imagination, or has there been a change in training.

Octo

It's not just the killings. It's the beatings, tazing, harrasment, and general fear tactics they use as a way to control.

Your statistics need to be on a per capita basis not basic percentages.

I'm still waiting for the article, youtube video, or source for where RP was proud of his support from the police.

I hope this was venomless but to the point.

FromIdaho (do you have multiple usernames)?

Ron Paul did not use the words, "I'm proud" -- Nor did I ever make a direct quote. I "inferred" that he was "proud" because he mentioned it on national t.v. and in at least one or two interviews I watched.

I hope that gets me off the hook.

It was the American Federation of Police and their 100K member body who were in super majority voting for RP - in the primaries.

Follow along -- I'll break it down differently.

900,000 cops kill on average 380 civilians per year (this is a fact - an average)

95% of whom DRAW AND/OR FIRE at the officers first.

That means that 361 are "righteous" fatalities (self-defense or in defense of citizens).

The 5% remaining are in two broad categories:
ONE- Accidents and TWO- Wrongful Deaths

Wrongful Deaths: mercenary killings #1 - for hire #2 - personal revenge #3

Accidents: overshooting - friendly fire - accidental discharging - mis-indentifying target. Accidents are the largest percentage of the 5%

The 5% represents 19 murders per year. Of that number 8 or less is "wrongful."

Now when I compare 900,000 cops and 8 wrongful deaths to gang bangin' civilians (9,500 murders) - from a population of 700,000 -- your per capita number falls all to hell.

Even if you compare it to the 16,000 murders civi on civi (including gang members), the per capita favors my argument. The 16,000 has only 223 justifiable homicides in it. According to the FBI.

It'd be nice as we play this game if you had to prove your assertions -- I'm only asking you to be reasonable and that does not hurt the C4L movement.

Octobox

stop lying

"I "inferred" that he was "proud" because he mentioned it on national t.v. and in at least one or two interviews I watched."

cite your source!
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