Gold isn't going to $2,000 an ounce

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Gold isn't going to $2,000 an ounce
Jeff Clark, Editor, BIG GOLD
Casey Research snippet
May 4, 2009

Gold isn't going to $2,000 an ounce.

Before you gag on your coffee or suffer chest pains, allow me to explain.

We're about eight years into the bull market, and gold has breached the $1,000 level twice and has spent weeks trading above the old high of $850. Some observers are now saying that gold's pretty much had its day and that once the recession is over, it will retreat for good.

However, the four-digit gold price we've seen so far is with no price inflation to speak of, no effects of the atrocious increase in the money supply, and despite a rising dollar. What happens to gold when each of those pictures gets turned upside down - high inflation, excess cash jolting the economy, and a falling dollar? After all, gold's performance to date has been powered only by general anxiety, not by any visible erosion in the dollar's value.

I decided to take a fresh look at calculations that could be used to appraise gold's upside potential. No one of them, by itself, comes with compelling logic. But they all point in the same direction.

Gold's Percentage Rise in the Last Bull Market. What if gold in this bull market repeats the percentage rise in the last bull market? In the 1970s gold rose from $35 to $850, a factor of 24.28. Our low in 2001 was $255.95. Multiply that by 24.28 and you get a gold price of $6,214 per ounce.

U.S. Gold Holdings to Money Supply: The M1 money supply consists of currency and checkable deposits. The U.S. government currently holds 286.9 million ounces of gold. If the government were to make each dollar redeemable by the amount of gold it possesses, we'd arrive at the following price for gold: $1.569 trillion ÷ 286.9 million oz. = $5,468.80 per ounce.

Gold/Dow Ratio: The ratio was about "1" when gold peaked in 1980, meaning the Dow and gold were the same price. To restore that relationship at today's stock prices would mean when the Dow is at 6,626, gold should be at $6,626/oz. Of course, we think it likely that the Dow will get a lot lower before gold peaks. But even if it drops all the way to 4,000, that would imply a gold price of $4,000/oz.

All the Money in the World vs. Gold Reserves: If the public eventually sees the paper game being run by the central banks for what it is, governments will be forced to back their currencies with gold (and perhaps other tangibles like silver). Assuming they had to go into the market and buy the gold needed to restore faith in their currencies, the numbers might look like this: Total central banks reserves (including gold holdings) = $4.8 trillion, divided by 929.6 million ounces total gold reserves held by all official institutions that issue currency = $5,246 gold price.

U.S. Gold Holdings to U.S. Foreign Trade Deficit: The size of a country's deficit or surplus would be of no consequence if all currencies were convertible into a fixed amount of gold. However, the dollar is increasingly considered a hot potato, and when the trade balance reverses, as it must, dollars will flow back to the U.S. and fuel domestic price inflation. Based on the cumulative trade deficit of $9.13 trillion (up from $6 trillion since June '07!) and U.S. gold holdings of 286.9 million ounces, the corresponding price of gold would be $31,822 per ounce.

U.S. Gold to U.S. Government Liabilities: Finally, the GAO (Government Accountability Office) calculates an income statement and balance sheet for the U.S. government. As you'd suspect, it is dominated by future liabilities for Medicare and Social Security. What if they had to be backed by the supply of gold? Official U.S. government liabilities now ring in at an incredible $55.2 trillion. To make good on that would require a $192,401 gold price.

No, we don't think gold will hit $192,000 or even $32,000. And there really isn't any surefire way to forecast the eventual high. But it's clear that every weathervane is pointing in the same direction. So, yes, gold isn't going to $2,000; it's going higher.

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Wait for the coming days. Gold and silver

Freedom is not FREE!!

accumulation cannot be for making (fiat)money for when you cash it in you lose.. If that is why you are buying I personally would prefer you did not. Gold and silver is going to skyrocket for there will be nothing else.

As many posts I've seen on the DP, seed, gold, silver and guns & ammo will be the answer. You must also remember that mankind will survive from the goodness in your heart and a gun to protect what is yours.

Freedom is not FREE!!

Ha,Ha,Ha, please tell Mr.Casey to view this.

Please click on link and scroll down to 1998 one tenth of an ounce Chinese Panda coin:

http://www.rivercitycoins.com/goldcoins/panda/98panda.html

I'll save the readers the trouble of clicking the link.

One tenth ounce 1998 Chinese Panda { 24 karat Gold }-$475.00.

That means 10 of these little babies or one ounce of them sells for $4,750.00.

Mr Casey is quoting the 400 ounce London good delivery bar, which is about $360.000.00 at $900 per ounce Gold or the 100 ounce COMEX good delivery bar which would be about $90,000.00. { only investment banks and a few of the very rich buy Gold wholesale }.

""THESE ARE GOLD WHOLESALE PRICES ONLY!!!""

Thanks for your post but the general public is being misled, in my opinion.

beesting

Bad Premise

Investing in gold based on how many fiat dollars each ounce will be worth is a bad paradigm for a liberty minded, sound money supporting individual. The real trick is to change your worldview so that you are not percieving value in terms of fiat dollars, the mere fact that we say gold is worth x amount of fiat dollars lends credence to the fact that the Federal Reserve is in complete control of us.

However, since I'm still stuck in this paradigm with you, I found this article intriguing.

Nice

Thanks Sierra. Keep them coming!
I've got my silver and my garden, time to sit back and relax.

"The sinews of war are infinite money" ~ Cicero

"The sinews of war are infinite money" ~ Marcus Tullius Cicero

The problem with this analysis

It presumes that all value should be backed by gold. There are many things of value in this world besides gold. A glaring example is silver. At a minimum your analysis should incorporate silver as money, yes? But there are many other things that can validly function as a storage of value. So this analysis seems completely off base.

I used to think this way too, but I don't anymore.


I used to think this way too. But the problem with this logically pure analysis, is that it assumes that the U.S. money supply is starting out from some legitimate reference point to begin with (it isn't), and that the natural laws of "free market" rules, and supply & demand are held in tact.

But the Bankers manipulate all these markets -- especially the Gold market.

Thus, as we have seen before, when the U.S. Dollar sinks, the Bankers then sell off Gold to prop up the illusion of the U.S. dollar, and thus drive the price of Gold artificially right back down again (before it ever exceeds 1000/oz for very long). And just who owns more Gold in the World than the Rothschilds and the other Banking dynasties? They are the Monopoly, and they seized the control many Centuries ago -- even overturning the American Independence that we all read about in the History books (which was only a temporary event).

So, the point here is that the markets are manipulated, and not permitted to ever behave according to normal "free market" rules. I learned my lesson the hard way, and that's why I am selling my ETFs when Gold hits anywhere near 1000/oz again.

The Banking Elites won't ever let it get much higher than that, regardless of the money supply expansion. They rig the game. It's a game that they own, using make-believe numbers, and it doesn't have to make any sense.

In fact, it hasn't for many decades.

You are correct so far, but not for much longer

This crisis is evidence of them losing control of the game. If they cannot finance the empire with debt and inflation, the dollar and economy will sink. Gold will rise to its real value in terms of dollars.

Well...


They exercise control over China too (who is doing the borrowing), as well as the Federal Reserve monitization, and the World Bank/IMF, so I don't see any way for their make believe system to ever come to an end. What will happen instead is that the numbers involved will just get more and more wackier looking, and the level of secrecy around the M3 (?) money supply numbers will increase. But that won't matter to them. It has been a total house-of-cards ponzi scheme ever since the 1970s anyway. It's like, if you get to be both the pitcher and the umpire, then the ball doesn't have to be in the strike zone -- you're still going to strike out close to 100% of the batters anyway, whenever you want to.

And, if the Empire ever does go bankrupt, then they will simply introduce a new currency system to replace it, and the price of Gold-per-ounce in US dollars will be: N/A (inapplicable). By the time you do the conversion from your worthless dollars to the new currency, it wouldn't matter anymore.

As George Carlin once said: "It's a big club, and you ain't in it. They got you by the balls. They got you by the balls."

I am more interested in WHEN at this point

I continue to be amazed at how blatantly they can manipulate markets with no one putting a stop to it.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

me too paull it does let us

me too paull it does let us add to our positions tho.

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)

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thanks sierra

any guess if/when silver will reach its historical ratio of about 15:1 to gold?
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hopefully soon! I would

hopefully soon! I would really expect the big moves in late summer or fall...

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)

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Gerald Celente

Gold to go $6,000 an oz. Thanks to Sierra I got mine !!

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