Oklahoma census project Misrepresenting their actual task..my run in

The Census canvassed my neighborhood a few weeks ago. (Lafayette, La.)

I happened to open the door to leave with this guy standing on my front porch. I don't know if he was about to knock or not. He said he was with the Census (was wearing an ID badge around his neck) and he was simply verifying addresses. He asked if my house was "xxx street." I looked at him like he had lost his mind since just to his right in 6" wooden letters are my house #'s plain as day. I confirmed the address being just what those numbers right in front of his face say it was, and he thanked me and went on to the neighbor's house, presumably to continue. He didn't have any GPS or other device on him that I could see - just a clip board that he used to check off my address when I confirmed it.

After pulling out of the driveway I noticed a white un-marked van with him and a few others standing around chatting. None of them had any devices that could presumably be a GPS that I noticed, just clipboards.

Maybe there are REAL Census canvas people out there, and maybe there are some people acting under COLOR OF LAW as Census workers that are working for someone else. Could we be dealing with multiple groups (at least 2 - one legit, one not) and hence the different stories and actions/tactics?

I do vaguely recall some sort of pre-Census canvas last time around, so this didn't strike me as unusual.

The guy at my house at least attempted to look legit with a badge. (Though I'm sure it could easily be faked since the last time they were around was 10 years ago) And he only had a clipboard. Maybe they walked the street and GPS'd every house first and then he was the supervisor double checking. I don't know.

I do know that Google Maps is very often WRONG on where an address is located on a street. (as bad as 1/2 mile in my personal experience) I think it has something to do with their algorithms calculating an approximate location for a specific numbered address based on a set distance between addresses rather than any fed in accurate data.

I also can't think of one damned good reason why the Census needs the GPS coordinates of my house. It's not like the U.S. Mail works off GPS for crying out loud. The only reason for needing GPS for anything is:

A) To know where you are.
B) To find something.

Since I'm the one here, then it isn't for A
Which must mean someone wants to be able to pin point my address remotely - and EXACTLY.

And since the U.S. Mail doesn't need to do that as they are already quite efficiently get my postal matter to me, then this can only be for the purpose of "targeting."

But why would any federal agency need to "target" every house in America and exactly what would they be using to do so?

I can think of only ONE type of scenario that anyone needs specific GPS coordinates, for targeting purposes, of any building: guided munitions.

But this seems nearly absurd on it's face. Do they plan to surgically "remove" any potential resistance? That's a crap load of smart bombs and they aren't cheap.

Any vets or active duty out there can fill us in on how urban combat works like in Falujah? Did you guys GPS everything and use that down on the street level?

Perhaps this isn't just a U.S. project? Combine this with the treaty that will share gun owner information with foreign governments and you have a very nasty scenario:

An outright invasion of the CONUS is currently impossible because of the vast number of gun owners in America. If the world thought Falujah was a hell hole nightmare, wait till a foreign power is trying to take one of our 'smaller' large cities. (something in the 100k- 500k range in population)

While addresses, street names, etc. would be just as useful in urban combat for our own military, GPS is like a universal language and can be comprehended by any FOREIGNER. They don't need to know how or where to find "123 Any Street." They have GPS. (especially since "123 Any street," may not exactly lie between 121 and 125 - that sort of stuff happens in real life. Many addresses in my personal experience are not exactly where they should be. I have personal experience of two addresses on a street - 5937 and 6005 that are next door to each other with no room in between for more than a driveway. And they are backwards at that since the 6005 comes before the 5937!! Add in the 1/2 and A/B/C etc. addresses that are retrofit to existing layouts and you can see how confusing it might get for a foreigner to figure it out.)

So the GPS of every front door would be useful for targeting resistance AHEAD of an invasion. Take out as many known gun owning homes as possible first, and then the rest that you don't know about will be easier to deal with. It could also be used simply as a fear tactic. It could be used once or twice, here and there, and reported in the news as "terrorists" being taken out here at home by our own govt. The story would most likely be that they thwarted an imminent massive attack and this was the "only" way to do it for timing purposes and for the "safety" of police. Of course the neighbors will be pissed off to all hell, and know better, but the rest of the country won't. Even if they did, which they might see right through it, it won't matter -

Without opening too big a can-o-worms, I highly suspect more people at a gut level KNEW that 9/11 was an inside job and saw it for what it was - an excuse to go to war, and to crackdown on liberty. Hell I was standing there shaking my head watching it telling people that very fact as it was happening live on TV and they thought I was nuts. (maybe not all of them) The VERY first words out of my mouth when I woke up that morning was: "The bastards finally did it." I was expecting this back around Y2K. I thought Waco might have even been what I was waiting for. So when it did finally happen, and "terrorism" was instantly blamed, I knew exactly what I was witnessing when it happened and I told everyone around me so.

But when faced with such a blatant attack, many people will cower in fear and even deny what they know to be real because they cannot cope with the implications of reality and they cannot face what that means they then have to do about it.

As long as incidents are few and far between, they don't have to do much, just be widely reported and people will get the hint: comply or die.

When faced with this false choice, many will choose to comply and will even tell themselves it is right to do so and that the government is doing the right thing, because to admit the truth scares the hell out of them that doing even that might be a death sentence.

So, is the Census just being used as a 'cover story?'

Thats incredible Dale. I sure do miss God's Country. There is no way to do something like that here.

Do you remember a couple years back when that guy was trying to set off all those devices at the OU game next to the med center? I recall the local news in norman saying "Head for the Hills! There be terrible virus inside that med center!" Right next to the friggin stadium!

Immediately following, national news got on to downplay it and local stopped reporting it. It sure was odd that 86,000 people got locked down in a stadium, while the other half of town was evacuating.

What was even weirder was that it never really made it into the national news afterward. I guess it was never a 'sponsored' event.

tried to "911" me a few years ago. Even got a threatening letter from the county attorney. The majority of my community doesn't even have land lines. They were unsuccessful. Oh, and I 'll bet a 30 pack that the census does not show up at my door. Fences, locked (electronic) gates and explicit no-trespassing signs are effective.

Ron Paul - Hope for America

the census website, you have to look in the schedule table under November 2008 to July 2009. It mentions hand held GPS computers. http://www.census.gov/geo/www/luca2010/luca.html

I've yet to see any census people.. EVER.
I'm at work during the day time hours so I have a feeling I'll never see these people.

I suspect she was lying through her teeth, who knows why. I also bet she considers herself an honest woman, but does what she must when she is "just doing my job."
Those words are used to absolve ourselves of some pretty heinous behavior.