Three questions:
1. Is the Republican Party corrupt?
2. Is it possible to reform the Republican Party?
3. If all the Democrats left the country and the Republicans had 100% control for the next 20 years, would the nation be better off at the end of that time than we are now?
Please let me know what you think!
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I think
the Republican, Democrat and Libertarian parties are run by the same people. The Republican party is the weakest and our best chance of rehabilitating. The country would be better off if people would open their eyes and ask questions.
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I really wish Ron Paul would run as an Independent and screw the party system, that goes for the Libertarian Party as well. I truely believe he would do much better. In my opinion Political parties should be exposed for what they truely are, organized crime corporations. Individuals should be elected to office, with not ties to parties, obligations to party leadership and free to represent the people that voted them not parties.
grant
define your terms
define your terms
well consider this
perhaps - with the libertarian view of the individuals in the GOP also - you should differentiate between corruption within the GOP on the one hand and on the other hand saying the (whole) party is corrupt. I believe yes there is corrpution among some individuals in the GOP, like in the other parties, but do not believe the whole party is corrupt. I also do not believe most in the GOP are "neocons". the neocons are a small, but very influential group. One should focus on getting the fiscal and social conservatives together and isolate the real neocons. The GOP is liek a family, you should listen to what the structure say and vote accordingly. Only a few can thing for themselves, or if they disagree, they may still feel they have to vote as told.
Yes, I do believe it is possible to reform the party and help Dr. Paul. You have read that he is making some inroads among his collegues. The GOP should now be more open to us than last year.
It is a bit preposterous to think all the Democrats will leave the country. Also remember there are many Independents and also "soft" R's and D's apart from the strong R's and D's in each party.
My working definition of "Republican" is .....
derived from the actual voting behavior of the Members of Congress who are members of the Republican Party. Every week we see them on CSPAN, conspiring to violate the Constitution. We have video evidence of this conspiracy. (Just as we have evidence of the Democrats doing the same thing.)
Though many try, it is neither a logical nor serviceable policy to try to define the Republican Party by the convictions of the rank-and-file party members. The Party is what it does in action---and the rank and file have nothing to do with the action; they only choose (assuming the voting is legit) who will be on the business end of the stick.
Therefore, I submit that the Republican Party is clearly corrupt. And we can prove this by comparing their voting record (in Congress) to the Constitution.
As to your statement, "It is a bit preposterous to think all the Democrats will leave the country."----I do not even remotely expect any such thing to happen. It was for the sake of clarifying the question that I set up such a scenario.
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Yes, No, No
Yes, no, no.
However, it brings up a point that unless the PEOPLE create reform, there will be no reform from anywhere.
And reform will include the reform of any/all the parties, or it won't have enough votes to be reform.
So, the Republican Party, or the Democrat Party, or the people who make up those Parties, are going to have to want the reform, and even a 3rd Party does it, all the Democrats and Republicans today will need to be in it. And if you can change those people who make up those Parties, you can also change those Parties, because those are the people in them.
So, the change that needs to be made is going to require a totally pervasive change, and it really doesn't matter what the vehicle is.
You're going to have to pull the majority of the Dems and Repubs today, into the mix. Or you won't get elected.
Yes they are corrupt. It is
Yes they are corrupt. It is easy for us to blame either political party for what is going on.The blame for for all that is going on in this country, should be ours. We are the ones who have sat around on our lazy butts, and elected them into office, only to have them walk all over us. If you think about it we have done this to ourselves.
Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
-P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian
AKA GIVE ME FREEDOM
Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
-P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian
AKA GIVE ME FREEDOM
Who's 'we'?
I was one of the crazy ones "wasting my time" voting Third Party in the past three presidential elections.
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Include me too!
After asking voters, "Does an Independent have the right to be on the ballot?", for three elections, and finding the majority said, "Yes", I found myself pinching my nose and voting for Nader a forth freakin' time (because an Independent has the right to be on the ballot and ballot access is very important to me, more so than who is slected president of USA Inc.), before that I've voted Libertarian Party since 1976. ENOUGH was ENOUGH for me way back then. it was apparent Nixon was a LIAR... Kissinger... McNamara (where does Ron Paul get the idea that in MY lifetime the GOP was a party for peace?)
BOTH major parties are corrupt and I believe they would like to be saved. ;)) FREEDOM IS VOTING INDEPENDENT
WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
I'm crazy too then as I voted 3rd party in all 2 of the
presidential elections I have been able to vote -- I take no responsibility for the inaction/inability of others who do not see the light and vote their conscience. This country was a mess long before I got to add my 2 cents and I sure as hell wouldn't have asked for this!
What are you fightin' for?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!
What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!
You and me both Kevin. I
You and me both Kevin. I should have said the sheeple,sorry. You do have to admit that most of the people in this country do not pay attention to the issues and do not look at all the other options out there.
Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
-P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian
AKA GIVE ME FREEDOM
Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
-P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian
AKA GIVE ME FREEDOM
yes..no..no...
thank you drive through
ditto
ditto
Do bears sh*t in the woods?
1. Yes
2. No
3. No
Corruption is the enemy. Being able to run unbridled by a competing corrupt party will not make a difference.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
That's exactly what I wanted to answer!
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.--Thomas Paine
"Free government is founded in jealousy, and not in confidence; it is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions." Thomas Jefferson, Kentucky Resolutions of 1798
Answers
Yes
No
No
This is a big chess game, and most of the public can't even handle checkers.
Both parties would be just
fine if We the People would elect a fresh crop every election period.
We just need to stop sending the same old dinosaurs back to Washington.
This is a way to fight both party machines and reign in their power. This would truly return the power to the people.
But first we need to ensure our election process is free of fraud.
We need to use the Iraqi voting process...paper ballots, purple ink, see thru ballot boxes. counting the votes in public at each voting place.
Voting is one place that should be void of modern technology
In the early days of this
In the early days of this republic,the two parties were: one that abides by the constitution and the other seeking "powers" not delegated.The slow progress from the chains the constitution bound the government has left us with two parties that don't recognize any limits on their "powers".
Unless the people elect members that realize their limits on what they can do,this country will continue to become more and more authoritarian.
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"I love the Union and the Constitution, but I would rather leave the Union with the Constitution than remain in the Union without it." - Jefferson Davis
"A government of reason is better than one of force." --Thomas Jefferson to Richard Rush, 1820
This is exactly what the Rule of Law Revolution is designed for
You should take a look at these candidate pledges:
http://www.ruleoflawrevolution.com/take-a-pledge/legislative...
http://www.ruleoflawrevolution.com/take-a-pledge/executive-p...
http://www.ruleoflawrevolution.com/take-a-pledge/judicial-pl...
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Uhm... is this ta trick question?
1.) Yes. Beyond contempt.
2.) Yes. The older ones are going to die off within the next few years. The party is weak. There are some decent (although misguided) right minded people in the Republican Party. We cannot reform so much as reclaim the party.
3.) If they were true conservative Republicans, absolutely
Ron Paul is my President.
Ron Paul is my President.
1) DOES A BEAR CRAP IN THE
1) DOES A BEAR CRAP IN THE WOODS?
2) NO WAY ...
3) NOPE.. DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE ALL THE SAME...
ARLEN SPECTER IS AN EXAMPLE.. LOOK AT LIBERAL McCain etc etc etc.. it never ends.
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
"Ineptocracy: a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confisc
With a "Two Party/Duopoly" system like the US...
corruption will always flourish.
Unless we say goodbye to this useless, passive attitude.....
...by which we continue to say, "Gee, Wally, it happened again; they gave me these two guys to vote for and I chose one and he's doing a terrible job."
Until we step up and put a stop to that nonsense, then we bear the charge that we ourselves are corrupt.
And our children will one day look back at what oafs we were to hand over to them such a broken down house---just as we should, by now, be seeing the generations previous to our own.
Jack Pelham
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3 Answers: Yes, Maybe, and probably not unless they reform
May I cross the bridge of death now? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWS8Mg-JWSg ;-)
What are you fightin' for?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!
What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!
Yes - all parties are corrupt
Restore the Constitution
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Is the Republican party corrupt??
Do you mean as opposed to the integrity of the Democrats?? Is this a serious question??
Don't assume more than I asked.
Yes, it's a serious question, and no, the Democratic Party has nothing to do with this question.
It is my firm belief that both parties are corrupt and even on the same team. That will surely come as a surprise to millions at the bottom of the food chain. But at the top, they are on the same team. And how easy is that since most party members can't even name the top executives in their parties?
The reason I'm asking this question is because I see that a lot of "liberty movement" folks are struggling with the "lesser of two evils" question---never realizing just what an absurd policy it is to vote for anything evil, whether the lesser or not.
So if it becomes crystal clear that the Republican Party is incorrigibly corrupt and that it would ruin the nation if left to itself, then perhaps we can finally get somewhere. And don't get me wrong; I am NOT in favor of cranking up yet another third party. Rather, I'm in favor of putting out a call for candidates who will vow to return the nation to the rule of law, no matter WHAT party they belong to.
Given the way the pendulum swings in this LO2E paradigm, it's almost a certainty that if the Republican Party will but promise to lower taxes in 2011, they'll be voted back into power in 2010. And if the people are content with lowered taxes (even though the other tyrannies will be continually advanced), then the Republican Party is what they deserve.
But if we can get on with it and pass a final judgment on the RP, then perhaps we can snap the nation out of this moronic LO2E spell and the ridiculous belief in the "two-party system".
It would be far better, in my judgment, to endure 8 years of Democratic Party rule and to have a viable Rule of Law movement ready to take over at the end of it than to put all our eggs into the basket of trying to get the LO2E Republicans back in power in 2010. The monster simply does not need to be fed.
But if there are Republicans (or candidates from any party) who want to run on the Rule of Law Pledges, then they're telling us that the Constitution is the Ruler---and not their party.
Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
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No, we already know the Democrats are corrupt.
The question, in my opinion, should be,"Do we continue to support the false Left-Right Paradigm?"
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Kudos, Kevin.
This is exactly where I'm headed. The questions posed at the top of this thread are foundational questions.
I believe that a great many people are simply scared to put the RP to rest....scared of what that might mean and what would happen next.
I don't know about everybody else here, but in this particular story, a little bit of proactivity could go an awful long way.
We don't need a new party. We just have to put a stop to LO2E voting. It is better not to vote at all than to vote for any candidate who won't take a specific vow up front to do his job, his full job, and nothing but his job in office.
Does it make any sense to feed the bears just because they're not lions?
Stop feeding them and they will all go away. Demand honest public servants as candidates. And if you don't get them, don't vote.
If that were the policy of every American in 2008, Ron Paul would have been the only presidential candidate to get any votes. He would have run unopposed in the general election. And it would have had absolutely nothing to do with party.
Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
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Jack Pelham
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