Do African Americans owe the 365,000 Union Soldiers who died in the Civil War a Thank You?
Do African Americans owe the 365,000 Union Soldiers who died in the Civil War a debt of gratitude and appreciation?
What about Abe Lincoln for what he did?
What about John Brown for what he did?
What about Thomas Jefferson who penned - "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are create equal".
Update: (It's amazing how the topic of race and the civil war animates people to the point of confusion that they go off on a tangent and lose focus of the simple question that is being asked! Hey, on a slow day you got to try something to wake up the DP troops!)
Update II - For all who chose hysteria over a simple yes or no question, let me explain. I used to use this same question for years in teaching critical thinking in college. And as expected, it got the same wide range of responses here as it did back then.
What astounded, as well as alarmed me about the college kids, both black and white and every other race, is their almost total and non-existent understanding of American history. Oh they could tell you all about Michael Jackson, Madonna, the current movie stars and beauty queens, but almost nothing about the constitution and where our freedom and rights actually come from. Not only have they been dumbed down a little, 70% didn't know the difference between the Civil War and the civil rights movement. In fact, many thought they were one in the same - Astounding and scary! at least to me anyhow : ) Peace!
On that same note, when the
On that same note, when the CSA passed the draft (ahead of Lincoln's draft, mind you) most of the confederate states just simply ignored the law and refused to enforce it. Many of the Southern states also withheld taxes from the Confederate central government due to their disagreements with it. THAT is the great libertarian spirit of the Southern cause as a whole in that conflict. You cannot judge the entirety of the Southern secessionist movement by what the central government did.
Lincoln, on the other hand, used his troops to fire into crowds of unarmed civilians in NY to enforce his draft. The South was by no means perfect, but Lincoln was undoubtedly a tyrant of the highest order.
Hmmm..
Interesting question.
My gut tells me that most (not the conscripts) who fought in the Civil War were fighting for personal and not altruistic reasons. It just doesn't wash with me that men could go into bloody battle for the sake of freeing some slaves, and others would do so to keep them enslaved. It's really a stretch to say either thing.
As such today's African Americans don't owe the Union soldiers a debt of gratitude. Their freedom came as a secondary consequence of some men pursuing their own personal ends. I suspect Northerners fought to preserve a Union which they thought would protect their liberties moreso than individual States would; Southerners probably thought just the opposite. Slavery? Yeah, perhaps they did fight for slavery...each side fought to prevent their OWN.
MEN of Valor
THEY do not need thanks & would not ask for it..They were what men are to be ...NOT fools...
you-no
Are you out of your mind?
Anyone who volunteers to kill others for any purpose other than defending their property and peeps (family and friends) is basically a murderer and a fool.
Sorry, I am not meaning to be harsh.
DDucks: Dr. Paul Volunteered to save those who were killing
others -- does that make him "evil" as a military doctor?
I agree with you in spirit though.
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*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
One of the most interesting questions that use to come up
in the college classes where this was used was - which African Americans had they rather be:
1. The descendants of those who were shipped to America, or
2. The descendants of those who remained in Africa
Somebody was thinking
when they came up with that line.
Thanks for sharing.
Most people think that slaves were captured in nets like
it was shown in the movie Roots. In reality most slaves were prisoners of war from tribal wars and were weakened by incarceration and lack of food. Tribal leaders made lots of money by selling other Africans into slavery.
Vikings also sold defeated Nordic clans into slavery.
The Vikings would sail their slaves down the Danube and Volga rivers and peddle them in north-central europe. That's why there are so many nordic-looking blonde people in countries like Czechoslovakia.
Historically, slaves of all races have often been plunder from battles.
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I thought
that they were caught on hooks.
Surely you jest! : )
They have tourist attractions today built around the prisons and caves that were used by the tribal leaders
I am jesting.
Tourist attractions where?
There are a number of them mostly
on the coast line of Africa.
Actually,
I have been to one in Stonetown, Zanzibar, Tanzania. But we did not hear about nets or hooks.
Really?
What were your impressions?
There was
no hard feelings. Everyone (the black muslim males) were some of the friendliest people I have ever met. Like most places, history is a story, there was nothing personal about it. Of course tourism is their livelihood though.
There were very short and small places that housed many slaves. It was disturbing. There were no woman to be seen. They are not allowed out of the home.
William Garrison
deserves and received credit from Abe for changing public opinion on slavery.
William Garrison published the newsletter, The Liberator.
Is that the DA from New Orleans?
: )
Should the white and black women raped by Union soldiers...
...in Sherman's March to the Sea, "thank" them too?
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Support the Constitution of the United States
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Support the Constitution of the United States
I see you've updated your
I see you've updated your post with a pat on the back for yourself and insinuations that everyone else is confused, off topic, and unfocused.
you want a direct and simple response?
your question was stupid.
I think this is a fine thread. Amazing how much baggage
we are carrying around inside us from that which took place 150 years ago and the extent to which it has remained unresolved. Yet, it was a 'steeping stone' for all of us to grasp what 'freedom' really means for each and every human being!
"The courage of one man is a majority" - Andrew Jackson
For one...
there were many black soldiers fighting this nonsense war (on both sides).
For two, this war had nothing to do with freeing slaves. The slaves were eventually set free, only in the succeeding States, for the sole purpose of garnering an insurrection against the remaining female occupants.
For three, Lincoln was a racist a**wipe who played corporate cronyism exactly like Bush. His motives were purely economical.
For four, who in the heck is John Brown?
For five, Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner until the day he died. "All men" in his book were only white landowners.
For six, who keeps bumping this ignorant thread?
Some would say the black CW soilders would deserve a little
appreciation as well - no?
R-dubs
Are you arguing against your own post? I love it.
Not at all!
! : )
Furthermore....
John Brown was a friggin murderer. He killed several "pro-slavery" families in cold blood down in Pottawatomie, Kansas. These where non slave owners too (not that murdering anyone is ever excusable.)
"This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave."
True
Most Americans don't even know who John Brown was and his part in igniting the civil war, although one of the most popular civil war songs was John Brown's Body.
So...
your thread is purely iconoclastic? Good job. I will be researching John Brown now.
Attornment
It would be bizarre if they did. The Union Army or its rep acted as "attorney" transferring owned property from one owner to another owner (federal government).
attorn definition
at·torn (ə tʉrn′)
intransitive verb
FEUDAL LAW to transfer homage and service from one feudal lord to another
to agree to continue as tenant under a new landlord
Etymology: ME attournen < OFr atourner < a- (L ad), to + torner, turn
http://www.yourdictionary.com/attornment
This author has stated in his on thread...
That he believes that blacks don't appreciate and respect history as much as whites. That's his purpose for this thread, and there is no basis to his twisted logic other than a racist mindset.
This whole thread is ridiculous! The "questions" have no legitimacy whatsoever. Blacks don't owe anything more than any other American and to suggest so undermines EVERYTHING that this movement is about!