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Why Not just ask Block to run for president?
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WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
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Granger: Don't tease me :)
He's too nice of a guy -- as nice as RP is there is a Gandhi-Like toughness about him -- resolute would be the right phrase.
Block would make an excellent cabinet member -- On RPs economic team.
He's a genuine nerd of the highest order.
I have an advanced degree in economics and I can spot an econ nerd from miles away.
Nevertheless -- He'd have my vote.
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Be a good ticket w/ Ventura
Eh?
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Granger: You are a teaser
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Real environmentalists are sensible people...
Keep in mind, the environmental movement was co-opted by the NWO and energy companies from the very beginning. That's why the Sierra Club, Greenpeace and others are always talking, "sacrifice, sacrifice, blah, blah". Real environmentalists should want to benefit everybody, not just Bambi, Thumper and a bunch of old growth trees.
I've proposed dozens of green programs for my company. In every instance they were either profitable enterprise or, at worst, revenue neutral (i.e., cost savings equal initial cost within three years).
Bob-45: Well said brother
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Thinking environmentalists are beginning
to realize some of the unintended consequences of "one size fits all" government legislation and programs, government complicity with Big Ag., etc. The developing insights of Permaculture are helping, plus trends toward local food, the organic movements, many threads unraveling from the tight skein of government controls.
Thank you OctoBox for posting Block's work so we can more effectively help greenies understand that freedom is the only direction that will work.
Capturing their vote and energy is crucial
In fact I can't think of any "group" that wouldn't benefit from an individual-anarchist perspective, hahaha.
Peace
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Because they are brainwashed zombies who can't think
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Each Party "hijacks" specific movements when people seek
Freedom from current trends.
Enviromental movement was hijacked by Al Gore and other democrats in the late 70's. Junior Senators and Congressman who were not considered big enough to lobby for anything else.
They realized the "pacifist hippies" use certain words and rhetoric and that if they made the Republicans the "enemy" of the enviroment they could pull the hippies in through "unionism" (block voting) and increase inflationary taxing -- possibly greater than war profiteering.
If we "conservatives" (classical liberals) would have made the Austrian argument (like Block presents) back in the 70's we would have an ever growing populace of individual-anarchists and alies. Instead the neocons hijacked the conservative movement (all our phrases: free-market, de-regulation, and free-trade) and thus the environment was lost.
The goal is to give them a deeper understanding of money vs commodity (gold and silver) -- the effects of inflation on prices -- and that every poisonous industry / chemical is subsidized (directly and indirectly).
Once they have their eyes opened we'll have a powerful ally -- These people love to protest and they have all the big name celebrities behind them.
I think turning them is one of the top 5 things we can do on our own and with Ron Paul.
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That's what I was saying to a guy the other day.
We were out dumping oil in the lake and lighting it on fire when some environmental kooks were all "hey man that's bad for the trees" or whatever hippy crap they said. I was like---"man those environmentalists are brainwashed and they can't think". The hippy got scared off when one of the old car batteries we were dumping starting leaking all over the place. Those kooks think humans can hurt the earth, ha!
I'm just kidding cause I think I know what you mean. But I wouldn't say environmentalism has been all bad. Remember the dirty dirty 70's?
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I love setting oil afire on water. Also, fish are so funny when they flounder around in that old battery acid!
Where as your reply is both articulate and erudite.
Need me to explain those big words to you?
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
Economics and the Environment: A Reconcilliation.
The book:
Economics and the Environment, a Reconcilliation.
By Walter Block
http://www.walterblock.com/
The problem whether it’s private or public land, grantnig short term leases. And they (short-term "owners") don’t take care of it. Rape.
Omission and Co-mission.
1830’s – 1840’s courts gave ok to pollute
Leases. Rape and pillage for 6 months.
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
bumping and bookmarking...
I'll be curious to read this when I have time...I have a few ideas on this myself...
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.
Bump
For later viewing. Thanks Octobox.
UberNeo: No problem
We have to gather are arms/defense before we head into battle (debate).
I have turned many people using his arguments in my own words -- it's important to re-word things so it sounds like you'd say it.
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Great post
This is an excellent response to the current "environmentalism". I've been trying to articulate this to many of my so-called tree loving friends so hopefully this gets through to them.
Their goal
is not simply environmental but is anti-human. Good luck arguing economics with the devoted anti-human.
Have a good day.
That is a rather broad stroke there
I consider myself an environmentalist because I am in awe of life. That hardly makes me "anti-human."
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
Obama 'Climate Change Czar' has Vigorous Socialist Roots
While the mainstream media was busy yesterday filling the airwaves with cutesy soundbites from what will likely be the final press conference for the 43rd president of the United States and with intense discussion of the four-legged, furry opportunities facing the new first family, news about the background of the woman selected by President-elect Barack Obama as his "global warming czar" quietly rested, largely unnoticed, on the pages of The Washington Times.
According to the piece, Carol Browner was until last week listed as one of the 14 leaders of Socialist International's Commission for a Sustainable World Society, a group which overtly supports socialism, criticizes U.S. policies, and calls and strives for "global governance." The commission, known as the environmental department of Socialist International, maintains that the developed nations of the world must be forced to reduce energy consumption, carbon emissions, and enter into binding, enforceable and punitive covenants promising and facilitating each.
http://www.americasright.com/2009/01/obama-climate-change-cz...
Just in case
you liked Atlas Shrugged.
http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=objectivism_...
How does one consider themselves an "environmentalist" by being in awe of life? Environmentalism goes much deeper then that.
Because I am very careful with words
I don't accept "accepted" definitions. I choose words very carefully.
"Environmental" has a specific meaning, it means those things in my surroundings. Here. lets let Merriam help us:
http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/environmental
1: the circumstances, objects, or conditions by which one is surrounded
http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/ist
3: one that adheres to or advocates a (specified) doctrine or system or code of behavior or that of a (specified) individual
I attempt to adhere to a system of behavior that is the most beneficial to the objects by which I am surrounded.
Are you an environmentalsit perhaps?
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
This might be right up your alley.
http://www.chicagodsa.org/environ.html
Make sure you send in your donation.
or as a complete word...
environmentalist and environmentalism.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/environmentalist
environmentalist
Noun
a person concerned with the protection and preservation of the natural environment.
environmentalism
1. Advocacy for or work toward protecting the natural environment from destruction or pollution.
2. The theory that environment rather than heredity is the primary influence on intellectual growth and cultural development
I particularly like #2 don't you?
Where did "environmentalism" come into the discussion?
I still stand by my assertion that I am an environmentalist. You are conjugating and changing the definition as you go, because that is an "accepted" definition. This "definition" defines itself as a theory, a theory which has very little to do with my relationship to the Creation.
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
How did I change the definition?
This is the common (accepted) usage.
Great your an environmentalist. Many and more likely the overwhelming majority of environmentalists and environmental activists (environmentalism) follow the indoctrination of their parent orginazations which would be based in socialist ideals. Environmentalists and Environmentalism are used as a tool to erode property rights in a broader agenda of global governance and the socialist super state.
You may not fit that definition but the majority do.
They're allowed to be anti-human...
so long as they don't use force to get their way.
If they can convince everyone to go vegan, and ride bicycles, then good for them-- if they can't convince people with their argument then they're out of luck.
I believe the point that the original poster was trying to make was that the free market system affords them the right to address environmentalism directly, rather than waiting for a government body to identify and legislate a solution.
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"so long as they don't use force to get their way" but isn't that what they are doing and have always done?
How about Lynn Moses of Driggs Idaho. Or Foamgate. And how about our lovely Grey Wolf here in Idaho and other northern states (of course it's not native to this area) that luckily the "law" saw to delist last year but a Judge in MN overuled the delisting. So we are again lucky in Idaho that they saw to delist it again this year, I just hope it lasts until Fall if you know what I mean.
But you are correct "I believe the point that the original poster was trying to make was that the free market system affords them the right to address environmentalism directly, rather than waiting for a government body to identify and legislate a solution" but a socialist likes to have the government involved, the state is all knowing and benevolent, the individual and property rights mean nothing.
Again good luck in your endevours of trying to convert the anti-humanists and good luck to Octo in trying to "Jeb Bush" the revolution and daily paul readers.
Dlind: That was EXACTLY what I was trying to say!!
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