WTP Federal Lawsuit to Ban All Electronic Voting Heads for Trial

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In 2007, WTP instigated a federal lawsuit in New York seeking to hold election officials in all fifty states accountable for their deprivation of the People’s fundamental Right to Vote because of the use of non-verifiable electronic and mechanical machine-based vote counting.

The case was dubbed the “National Clean Elections Lawsuit,” or NCEL.

Although a 2008 Order from the U.S. District Court in Albany removed all the non-New York defendants, as of last week, the Court ordered the remaining parties to commence preparations for a jury trial.

Click here to read the U.S. District Court's Scheduling Order.
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/PROJECTS/NCEL/PACER/Ord...

It must be noted that this is the first federal lawsuit ever to be approved for trial directly challenging the constitutional integrity of a state’s official election procedures which are totally dependent, almost without exception, upon machine-based vote counting.

In the complaint, WTP supporters from all fifty states participated as plaintiffs arguing that the People have a fundamental, natural Right to know their votes are being accurately counted, and that it is unconstitutional for the Government to count our votes in secret -- which is precisely what happens when the “hidden” mechanisms of a machine (whether electronic or mechanical) counts the votes and produces a total.

The complaint further asserts that machine-based vote counting provides abundant opportunities for criminal sabotage, election fraud and errors of all types to occur at almost every step of the election process, beginning with the manufacture and maintenance of vote counting machines, and extending well into election night when machine-contrived vote totals are allegedly passed to, and broadcast by, a (privately-owned) national corporate media consortium without any official, public certification of local vote totals.

The WTP complaint requests the Court impose not only a total ban all vote counting machines (mechanical and electronic) but to impose on state election officials a detailed manual vote counting and certification procedure based solely on the use of plain paper ballots, hand-marked, stored, counted and certified at each precinct level polling location, in full view of the public, at all times.

http://wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/Update2009-05-11.htm

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For more information,

For more information, research and all the legal pleadings,
please go to the NCEL Lawsuit Information Center.

Elections May Never Be The Same Again

The historic NCEL lawsuit, tentatively scheduled for trial next year, now enters what is known as the pre-trial “discovery” phase.

Under the federal rules of civil procedure, the WTP plaintiffs are now entitled to issue interrogatories, subpoena witnesses, take sworn depositions, and demand documents, records and data from state officials and other defendants (who are liable in both their personal and official capacities), as well as records from third parties (such as corporations) which may have information pertinent to the controversy before the Court.

It is imperative to recognize the historical opportunity before us:

We have had a U.S. District Court deny a request by the state of New York to dismiss the lawsuit for lack of jurisdiction, and

We have secured the Right to have a jury of our fellow citizens essentially decide whether the use of “black box” vote counting machines passes constitutional muster, and

We have an Order from a U.S. District Court stating that all the original Plaintiffs (removed from the New York case) are still entitled to bring similar charges against election officials in their own states, and

We have an opportunity to force the state of New York to produce sworn testimony and official records which may, following trial, result in a federal court order banning, for all time, the use of all electronic voting machines (and other contrivances) as well as patently deficient election procedures, which in the past have enabled massive election fraud to be perpetrated virtually without detection.

In short, the People have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity through the NCEL lawsuit, to seize back control of the election machinery that state bureaucrats and the political parties have hijacked and used against the People to systemically deny us not only our Right to vote, but the fundamental Right to a enjoy a government of own creation and representation of our own choice.

One must wonder after all, why it seems that those who “win” our elections and “represent” us have - despite our pleas and repeated Petitions, continued to destroy our Constitution and Republic without apparent constraint. Is it possible that flawed and fraudulent elections have denied the People our true political voice?

This lawsuit is now our best chance to bring an end to election chicanery and restore integrity to the most fundamental process the People have designed into the Constitution for directly establishing and maintaining their servant government.

This is our chance to finally force government officials to publicly explain, under oath, exactly why they need anything more than a stack of paper ballots, a pen and a wooden box to conduct a fair and honest election.

"We must re-take the Republican Party"-Ron Paul. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlqXq8YxQFQ

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Paper Ballots Hand Counted At The Precinct Or Bust
Support WTP Federal Supreme Court Case To Ban All Electronic Voting Or Forget 2010 or 2012
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"We must re-take the Republican Party"-Ron Paul. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlqXq8YxQFQ

Could this happen in my lifetime?

Honesty in elections? My father and forefathers are turning over in their graves.

Seems almost too good to be true

doesn't it.

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Your welcome!

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I hope WTP

wins this one...

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WTP Federal Lawsuit to BAN ALL ELECTRONIC VOTING
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/Update2011-07-26...

Election Activists: We Need Expert Witnesses, Research & Legal

Election Activists: We Need Expert Witnesses, Research & Legal Assistance

Now the hard part begins. Bob Schulz and John Liggett, are the lone remaining plaintiffs and are both representing themselves in a pro per capacity before the court (i.e., without attorneys).

Despite decades of hundreds of complex legal confrontations against experienced professional government attorneys battled in courts across numerous states including New York and the District of Columbia, proceeding all the way up to the steps of the U.S. Supreme Court, WTP Chairman Bob Schulz readily admits to only limited trial experience and virtually no experience with the particulars of conducting discovery or executing an actual trial, much less one of profound national significance such as the NCEL case.

Additionally, Schulz and co-Plaintiff Liggett openly acknowledge their lack of detailed familiarity with the technical issues, facts, personalities and body of knowledge in the fields of vote counting machines, election law and election fraud and in no way does their capacity in these areas approach the subject matter expertise and litigation experience possessed by the many activists who have advanced the election integrity movement for so long – and which will be required to achieve Justice.

Bob and John are going to need a lot of help, from a lot of people, if they are to prevail in the NCEL lawsuit.

Soon, we will have more to say on this case. In the meantime, we would appreciate receiving the contact information of each and every person who might be willing to assist in the planning and execution of both the discovery and trial phases of the NCEL case.

Please send your lawsuit related emails (only) to NCEL [at] GiveMeLiberty.org.

http://wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/Update2009-05-11.htm

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/92691

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Regarding Palin: I believe we are watching in real time the rise of the third party, which will be controlled by the powers that be from its' inception.

Next Scam: "Cash For Cash"

http://www.RonPaul2012.com

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Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

I am a member

on the site of WTP and I do contribute to them what I can when I can.
They are doing a powerful lot of work on our behalf at their own expense.
This suit isn't the only thing going.
You folks should visit their website and get in on the action.

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Paper Ballots Hand Counted At The Precinct Or Bust
Support WTP Federal Supreme Court Case To Ban All Electronic Voting Or Forget 2010 or 2012
Donate to WTP here: http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/00-Donate.htm

I've tried getting this going in my county & state

It seems no one locally or at the state level is willing to help push the issue.

I feel ya'

I am trying to figure out WHY? I keep asking here and get very little input. What is the issue - message not clear? Poor PR? Am I missing something?

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the ron paul meetup in my

the ron paul meetup in my area were really expecting this to put a hold on the election long enough for more people to discover ron paul. everyone i talked to felt it was being stalled by the powers that be. Actually one of the people in our meetup is a plaintiff. amazed to see this still dragging out ...and happy.

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Great news!!!

It's a pity that anyone ever thought the electronic voting machines were reliable and trustworthy. These people have done us all an enormous favor. I see glimmers of hope that the democratic process may return to America.

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Secret ballot, fine.

Secret counting, not fine.

WHY don't you people discuss this topic??!!!

This is the best political thing we have going right now. Why does it get NO discussion from this group?

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

Maybe They Are Afraid To Have To Get Involved With Something...

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Paper Ballots Hand Counted At The Precinct Or Bust
Support WTP Federal Supreme Court Case To Ban All Electronic Voting Or Forget 2010 or 2012
Donate to WTP here: http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/00-Donate.htm

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Please folks, look into We The People. I have twice posted a thread asking why no one is involved in this - and the thread rolls right off the page. This project is THE peaceful, lawful solution. I cannot understand why Dr. Paul has not directed his supporters to this cause - very frustrating. Bob Schulz has really done the groundwork in a diligent manner, and now he needs Patriots to stand beside him. PLEASE learn about his Continental Convention - it is FAR more important than elections or rallies! (and it is NOT a Constitutional Congress!)

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Awesome IPSecure This Is An Extremely Important Case...

and one to watch and donate to help We The People financially if you are able to. These people (from all 50 states) are real heroes for doing this.