What does a marriage license, and ALL other state/federal documents do?
from an email I was forwarded,
A good friend of mine by the name of Bill, is being sued for divorce by his wife of 17 years in one of California’s family law courts. He is pro persona and his wife is represented by a liar …aaaawh um …lawyer. My friend challenged the corporate family court’s jurisdiction on the bases that he is a sovereign man and therefore not subject to laws (statutes and codes) of his creation, – government.
Lo and behold, out of the mouth of a serpent spews forth the truth! All I can say is …it must be God’s doing.
In written answer to Bill’s challenge to jurisdiction the attorney representing Bill’s wife stated; “The Respondent“ (my friend Bill) renounced his naturally acquired and naturally endowed personal sovereignty,” when he applied for and executed a marriage license under the laws of the State of California so as to obtain the status of “marriage.”
WOW! The Esquire stated to my friend Bill on court record that which I have never known to be admitted to by a single member of the LIARS GUILD, a.k.a. the American Bar Association, or by members of the corporate courts who serve and also collects for the BAR, that is controlled and operated by the banksters. A good number of people have known for some time what the lawyer stated is true. However, no one to my knowledge has been able to prove that we are deemed by the state and the courts to be stripped of their God given sovereignty though implied contracts and other nexuses, such as obtaining a Social Security Number, Driver’s License, Birth Certificate, and Marriage License, etc.
I have often wondered how long it would take before one of the rats finally spilled the beans. Now I know. You can believe me when I say, this is information that members of the LIARS GUILD and their government accomplices are sworn to hold in absolute secrecy and also threatened with all sorts of bad things should they dare tell. And here this gutter rat comes right out and says it’s so. Soon this little rat will have no safe place in which to run and hide. Poor little gutter rat. “Bad boy! Bad boy! What will you do when they come for you!?!”
How many people would say that they knew when they signed a marriage license that they were signing away their God given sovereignty? This to me is like saying, when you sign this license – you volunteer to be castrated. Show me one man that would knowingly volunteer to sign such an agreement. Loss of sovereignty equates to spiritual castration, as it takes away our God given rights and freedoms and makes us slaves to our own creation of government.
The lawyer’s claim that Bill lost his personal sovereignty when, “he applied for and executed a marriage license” should provide some very interesting drama when Bill challenges the lawyer to prove his claim in open court. My friend Bill and I plan to have a great many spectators and a local newspaper editor, who has taken a great interest in this lawyer’s claim, in attendance when it comes time for this minion of the Prince of Darkness (lawyer) to come to court to prove that which is strictly forbidden to be made public knowledge. I am afraid that the lawyer dude is on his own on this one. It is very unlikely that he will receive any of the customary help from the bench to sanction what is forbidden knowledge.
Stay tuned for more…..
Greg Slaughter
George Gordon's perspective on subject (audio)
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Here's the most brilliant and interesting commentary I've ever heard on this subject from a national-treasure by the name of George Gordon:
32 Reasons Why I Don't Have a Marriage License
Common Law Marriage
Interracial Marriage is the Reason for a Marriage License
Polygamy's a Vertically Integrated Corporation
And here is his entire audio archive on a vast array of topics:
George's Radio Program & Talk Show Archives
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The Established Churches
Will not perform the service, er, sacrament of marriage without a license from the authority having jurisdiction (health dept., local municipality, etc.).
Marriage is a sacrament, at least in the christian practices that I am familiar with, and should not be a state granted privilege. This would be like obtaining a license to receive your first communion or confirmation in your church. How about applying for a license for last rights?
Get the churches to perform the sacrament of marriage without a health dept. license, your God given right, and there you have your sovereignty left intact. Find yourself a church that hasn't sold out to the state.
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"The consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of the ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it."
- Robert E. Lee, 1866
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RON PAUL 2012
License to vote.
The government shall grant licenses to vote, not licenses to marry.
The license to vote shall require that you not be married to (ie, have children with) more than one other person. Polygamists SHALL NOT have the right to vote. No man has the right to make babies with more than one woman.
Verdict-
Pay up.
Forget the in proper persona....try informa pauperous.
Unless all the signing away
Unless all the signing away of rights was fully disclosed to the signer the contract is null and void. This lawyer obviously doesn't know what he is doing. As far as I know there is no law stating what this lawyer claims that the marriage is a binding contract making the state a 3rd party to the marraige so they cannot say by process of law. But they will dig up some family law and etc. and he'll end up getting screwed.
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this is true, BUT ONLY if
this is true, BUT ONLY if you bring it to light. If you just live with it, you consent to its application.
example, you buy a house, after a year you realize it has lead paint everywhere and you do nothing about it. You therefore have not brought this evidence into light, and therefore will have a hard time establishing it as evidence at all, especially after extended periods of time.
If instead, you had a declaration, affidavit, or verified document recorded with the county as to the evidence of lead paint, and made a complaint for release and termination of contract for lack of full disclosure, you would then have established fraudulent activity.
silence is tantamount to acceptance!
Oh! I know this one!
A license is something that gives you permission to do something you otherwise would not be allowed to do. Accepting a license to marry means you accept the state's sovereignty over your person and your relationship with other persons for the purpose of companionship or procreation. That's nothing I'm willing to give up to the state!
The state can keep its nose out of my marriages and family. They have no business in it.
Governments can't "marry" people.
Marriage is the defacto, exclusive, lifelong bond between a mother and father that exists beginning with the birth of their first child. Therefore, churches and governments cannot "marry" people. They can only RECOGNIZE and DEFEND marriage. And homosexual parents are married, but only to the person with whom they created their child.
homosexual parents can not
homosexual parents can not create a child.. think about what you just said.. it is then impossible for homos to marry since it is physically impossible to make a child.. and don't give me the crap about adoption either...
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
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I think that was Portlands
I think that was Portlands point....my position, being for freedom across the board, is if two men or women wish to be together, I have zero input on their wishes. Im not sure why gays, or straights for that matter, are so insistent on having a state sponsored marriage, rather than a declaration of marriage. What is the benefit of a state sponsored marriage anyway??
I agree with what you said..
I agree with what you said.. its not my business what they do till they bring it and force me to accept it.. Which I can not do. what you do in your own house is your business..
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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You're both wrong.
If a lesbian makes a baby with a sperm donor then she and the sperm donor are DEFACTO married. If she makes a baby with another sperm donor, she shall be deported to S. Africa along with the other polygamists.
What kind of a blithering idiot are you?
Conception and marriage are two separate things. Always have been, and always will be, no matter what proclamations you make, with or without your caps lock key on.
-jcr
"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel
You make a mockery of marriage.
Marriage isn't about tax breaks and wedding cakes.
You're the kind of idiot we
You're the kind of idiot we are fighting against. You don't seem to have the first clue about freedom. If some poor misguided sap wants to have more then one wife all parties consenting that is their business and none of yours or anyone else's for that matter.
Trying to force your f*ed religious beliefs on others in a nation that was founded on religious freedom among others can have some serious consequences especially during a hot revolution.
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Christianity is a fraud.
1) No child born outside of marriage.
2) No second marriage.
3) No immigration except by marriage.
And marriage is a Christian thing...thus, according to you...
THERE AIN'T NO SUCH THING AS HUSBAND AND WIFE! A child obviously has a mother and father as that is the way things work -- but to claim that the child's parents are bound unto one another even though they may have never met is preposterous!
What are you fightin' for?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!
What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!
So you propose a moral police state?
Fundamentalist governments are the worst kind of tyrants. I agree with you on the natural marriage thing, but I'm not supporting any authoritarian government.
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sounds like PO supports the taliban.
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lol..... or Utah? "When
lol..... or Utah?
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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Hey now!
I resemble that!
In written answer to
'In written answer to Bill’s challenge to jurisdiction the attorney representing Bill’s wife stated; “The Respondent“ (my friend Bill) renounced his naturally acquired and naturally endowed personal sovereignty,” when he applied for and executed a marriage license under the laws of the State of California so as to obtain the status of “marriage.”'
It appears to me that the attorney has even gotten this wrong. Your friend hadn't renounced his sovereignty by signing the marriage license. It was his Sovereignty that binds him to the Contract. Either the liar is mistaken or he wants your friend to believe that he is no longer Sovereign, which is impossible.
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I think the point is that
I think the point is that there are hidden contracts whenever you apply to a state for something...a marriage license, for example, is NOT required to get married. Just as a "drivers license" is not required to travel in an automobile, and building permits are NOT required to build, in fact, by getting ANY of the aforementioned items, you are consenting to be in their jurisdiction, and to follow their rules....
Read what this section of California Vehicle Code says regarding the retention of a drivers license and registration:
http://law.onecle.com/california/vehicle/17459.html
and
http://law.onecle.com/california/vehicle/17460.html
even thought the CVC and Registration ONLY applies to state/ federal employees
See:
http://law.onecle.com/california/vehicle/4155.html
and
http://law.onecle.com/california/vehicle/21052.html
I understand what you are
I understand what you are saying, but the bottom line is one's own ignorance is not an excuse. As you have pointed out yourself, the information is there for anyone who wishes to learn about what they are signing. This may seem rather cavalier, but that is because people are taught by their families and peers to just do it because it's what one does...
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I agree:):):) which is why I
I agree:):):)
which is why I am avoiding my wife and two kids, so I can study law constantly...mostly kidding:/
but, the fact is, MOST people DONT know what they're getting into when they apply for these "licenses", the fact that 'we' are entering into contracts unknowingly, unwillingly, and unintentionally voids the contracts for lack of full disclosure on their face, BUT, unfortunately, we now have to go through and 'undo' all of these contracts.
This is same principal as if you received an invoice in the mail for $5000, that you clearly did not truly owe, you couldn't just ignore the invoice, because of the honor/dishonor clause in contract law, you would instead need to conditionally accept the invoice upon proof of claim the a contract existed, and an amount was truly owed. If the invoicer cannot provide that, the claim dies. To ignore it, would consent to its existence, and potentially its accurateness.
unknowingly entering into a
unknowingly entering into a contract doesn't make the contract unwilling and unintentional. Neither does it void the contract due to non-disclosure if the contract was a matter of public record, which all contracts that we enter into with the State are...public record - full disclosure.
Please don't take this as me attacking you.
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I think there would be a
I think there would be a good case for fraud, deprivation of rights under color of law (Title 28, ch 13 sec.242), The USC Title 42 sec-1986 For knowledge and the right to stop and correct a wrong, and perhaps breach of fiduciary duty....
All contracts are suppose to be easily read...NOW I agree, that if we sign without claiming that the contract was hard to read, it will then be more difficult to release and terminate that contract!
I dont take ANY debate as an attack!!! Ive read many of your comments, and you seem spot on.
I often learn from debates and further study!
I checked...
the House version of the US Code and there is no section 242 in Chapter 13 of Title 28; nor is there a section 1986 in Title 42.
Please correct and or clarify. Iam trying to document what you are saying, because I am studying this very subject.
Please respond back; perhaps with a link?
Thanks.
also 1986 of title
also 1986 of title 42
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode42/usc_sup_01_42_10_...