Daily Paul Collectivist vs Daily Paul Individual-Anarchists

Ironically, at first I thought OpenRevolt's post was going to set up the dialectic ambivalence between simply Closed To r’Evolving vs. Openly Revolting Snark … but I nearly misjudged his potential had I jumped to such a conclusion. His post was clever, humorous and elegantly communicated thoughts about how he hears points raised by a particular individual here on DP who is not shy about telling us where, and with whom, he stands.

Am I understanding correctly that OR would align with those of us who think our friend Octo/Box/Mom has underestimated the grains of truth that seem to substantiate prejudgment influencing attitudes of fear and loathing which greets those who may be seen to embrace the stereotype by choosing to don a badge in the new world . Many uniform wearers aspire to fit the all-too-prevalent image of shaved-head–steroids-intoxicated–bad-boys.(Remember when TV stopped the reruns of Andy Griffith; Adam 12 – ‘protect and serve’; and Dragnet – ‘just the facts, mam’ and started in with Starsky and Hutch ?). Today the caricature of hardass nazi cop is more universally familiar than the equally characteristic generalization of shyster lawyer.

I suspect the problem is more a consequence of self image among those in the respective professions. Who are their heroes? What ideals do they uphold? Who are their mentors and leaders? Politics, pull and Peter principle are the operative forces effecting advancement, and indeed survival in the career. So who do the ambitious in these fields emulate.

BigT makes the right point. Shouldn’t we hope that Octo/Box/Mom tucks tightly under His wing these ugly ducklings before they start to spread Their wings. He wants to initiate them to Daily Paul and Oath Keepers. May this fraternity prove a better police academy.(To now mix my metaphors – I’m sure you both … or should I say - each … will understand): I, for one, am glad Octo’s got the ball. It takes a team player to quarterback a winning team. What’s more, I’m happy he’s such a good sport. ;-)

*[ "Octopus's Garden" is a song written by Ringo Starr with a little help from George Harrison (although it is credited solely to Starr, as "Starkey").
Harrison commented: "'Octopus's Garden' is Ringo's song. It's only the second song Ringo has ever written, mind you, and it's lovely." He added that the song gets very deep into your consciousness "because it's so peaceful. I suppose Ringo is writing cosmic songs these days without even realizing it."

The idea for the song came about when Starr was on a boating trip with his family in Sardinia in 1968. He ordered Fish and Chips for lunch, but instead of fish he got squid (it was the first time he'd eaten squid, and said "It was OK. A bit rubbery. Tasted like chicken."Then the boat's captain told Starr about how octopuses travel along the sea bed picking up stones and shiny objects with which to build gardens.

Starr said that hearing about octopuses spending their days collecting shiny objects at the bottom of the sea was one of the happiest things he had ever heard, inspiring him to write this song.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus's_Garden

Would you have withheld the "wise man, good heart" compliment? How does approval of 15 unspecified posts that we cannot see for ourselves somehow equal "wisdom and goodness"?

Frankly, I find this terribly annoying.

It is impossible to get a straight answer out of you on stuff that should be obvious because of the trouble we are in. You act like you dont know what Im talking about, then post vids of firefighter training! Hey genius I was referring to the New York Times article that showed homeland security (yes your tax dollars) training 14-16yr old boy and girl scouts with riot gear and machine guns to be NAZI thugs. It was all over the front page of this site and impossible to miss. They even ran drills about taking out iraq vets after they come home AND STILL YOU MAKE EXCUSES!!!!!

Why do I insist on labeling you? Please I am lol so hard it hurts. YOU are the one trying to put everyone in two seperate camps. (just like left and right) But my favorite is your last sentence. " I dont think most kids spend very much time these programs." Move along everybody nothing to see here!!! To me you are like a shiny new plate glass window on a sunny day, because I can easily see right through you.

Here's a fair question, with a little bit of prefacing.

Surely, the LE personnel realize that because of the widespread abuses in their profession, that many people have come to distrust them.
Certainly this concern is not limited to DP in any way.
Yet, you seem to infer that it is people on the DP that are preventing you from recommending LE personnel to come here.

So, why can't the LE personnel just come here and take the "good with the bad", understanding that their profession needs cleaning up, and that the response from angry posters is perfectly normal under the present circumstances, and is to be expected. After all, this is what "cleaning up" is all about, isn't it? If there weren't any problems, massive numbers of people wouldn't be pissed.

The idea that we all have to submerge our actual views on the subject, simply to create a false atmosphere that makes the LE personnel "feel at home" is not genuine. They need to see reality, not some "fake atmosphere".
It's time for them to deal with what's been made by their profession. They can look at it, and work on cleaning it up.
Seeing the magnitude of the job ahead of them might be just what they need to start taking some action to clean up the mess that their cohorts have made.