You are not required to follow the so called law

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Look at this brave young woman who is actually doing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrXeZVKeyMs&feature=related

Also watch this 6 minute Video that sums it all up nicely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlkaQQOEym8&feature=related

Think that we have been tricked into accepting "Government", which is in fact only a corporation and like Coke, they still don't force us to drink that (yet).

A million Ron Paul supporters would cause some stir if we all do this!

Go to www.teamlaw.org and read the history of the US (left menu).

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This is all over the internet and you may already have seen it.

Most of what you think of as laws only apply to corporations. It is all a scam!

You never have to pay any taxes or repay your loans or credit cards!

And it is completely lawful and of course fair.

Check out http://www.freedomfiles.org/mary-book.pdf. It's a complete book, totally free and well worth the read. It's been a long time since I learned so much new information.

Other sites are http://www.tpuc.org/, http://www.worldfreemansociety.org/WFS/Welcome.html and http://links.veronicachapman.com/LongArmOfTheLaw.htm.

Spread the word and let's take our country back!

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You advocate theft

Hypothetical:

I loan you money and you come back and say you are not obligated to pay me.

I have been stolen from, no if and or buts.

You voluntarily make an agreement with me to return my loaned money at a future date and then you abrogate the agreement.

If you actually succeed in reciting some incantations before a judge and he believes you, if he even lets you speak, I will spread far and wide that you are :
A deadbeat
A liar
Not worthy of trust
Never have any commercial dealings with you
Proclaim you an outlaw, a breaker of promises.

That you are a thief.

This is why this idea is morally bankrupt.

Depends on how you use it.

You can't avoid the fractional reserve banking system - they violently suppress competition. You can use it the way most people do, being double billed and "willfully" defrauded, or you can assert your rights in the system as it was constructed.

Are people who do this morally bankrupt, or are the rest of everyone participating in a rip-off of themselves ignorantly?

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The FRB system is not my system, I didn't make it. It is a bad idea from go and in a free society would never be implemented. If EVERYONE started to understand their rights in this fictitious rip-off system (really entrenches social class structure in a deeper way in a society), then no only would it fail - but the relacement would have to be considered fair by all. They wouldn't want to participate in being ripped off again and would prefer ANYTHING other than that. That "anything" is what will be interesting to see.

I am in the process of pouring over this stuff, but it aligns with my intuition so far. I may turn out to be off base, but. . . I've done searches and I haven't seen anything saying "Don't do this! It doesn't work!"

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Tell me,

does the bank go back into the vault and bring you cash when you get a loan? NO, when you sign that promissary note, you created money out of thin air. The bank is allowed to fractionalize dollars nine times(you are not which makes this very different then you loaning money to someone). Which means that if they only have $100 on hand, they can loan out $900. Now if you take that $900 loan, you have to pay it, plus the interest back to the bank. When you pay the bank back, they now have $1000 + interest on the $900, and they only had $100 to begin with. Now how is that not theft?

And we are not obligated to pay income taxes under any law. It's simply out of fear, ignorance, or compliance that people pay it every year by April 15th. Supreme Court rulings back this, the documents that form the foundation of our government back this, even the IRC backs this. But anytime the IRS is confronted with any of this, they claim it to be frivolous. Then, on top of that, the tax court system is probably the most corrupt of any within the shaddy government we employee today.

I've not read these books, but instead of being so closed minded about it, perhaps some should consider reading the referenced material before dismissing the concepts altogether? May find out that not everything is as it seems, because it's not.

So you have a problem fractional reserve banking

So voluntarily do not do business with people you feel are committing fraud.

Instead of using an argument that has dubious logical basis, and depends on you convincing government courts that you are right, good luck on that.

Use a a completely moral basis of refusal to pay taxes because the government is claiming the power to commit murder because it is the government.

If you believe that the government only gets its power from delegation from the people, then how can the government have the power (to commit murder) if you do not have the power to commit murder.

Arguing about some BS written down on paper is futile.

Do not go into an agreement voluntarily planning to commit fraud from the start.

There is no moral line no matrter how despicable the other party, steal and you are a thief.

What choice does

anyone have? The problem is that everyone was forced into this fractional reserve system, and now that knowledge is floating about, one can take a stand...legally. When all along, the people have been taken for a lot more than what they legally should've.

That piece of paper consititution) gives our government it's structure, without it, we have not congress, president or otherwise. You can't just pick the pieces out of it that favor you or your arguement. If we as a country are going to elect our governement officials based on the constitution, then we damn well better follow the rest of what the constitution says as well.

Therefore, if someone has an arguement and it's basis is that of the constitution, it should be heard and taken seriously without ridiculous resistance from those that only want it to be referred to as a piece of paper. How convenient that "Bush" should say so, when he holds the highest position that that "piece of paper" authorizes.

Murder doesn't have to have a law to prevent it. The fourth amendment by itself should preserve one's right to merely exist in this country without harm physically, mentally, or financially. The severity of the punishment should be left to the states. So, the fed's don't have the "power" to commit murder within the powers given them from the constitution. And neither do we. They do it without authorization...lately anyway.

The only time they are given authority to use such force that may result in the loss of life, is in the event that we "must" go to war. Tracking down terrorists in countries we don't have a legitimate gripe against, is not within their constitutionally given powers.

Back to loans, to enter into a loan with the intention of attempting to use loop holes in the law to avoid paying the loan back is criminal, but that's not what this topic is concerning. People of this country are already into banks and other entities for money that they may not have to pay. To alert them to certain laws that exist to protect them from being taken advantage of is not criminal. In fact, it's criminal to keep this type of information away from these people when they deserve to know the truth. Once they have the information, they can determine if they want to go through with it, no one else.

How do you not do business with the frauds

When the frauds are, by law, the only source of legal tender in the country?

Why do you think it's so important to their system to keep competing currencies illegal?

Not at all !

Common law takes care of the things you are talking about, just as it should be.

There is nothing immoral about not paying taxes (they finance killing people).

Also, these people talk about creating money for yourself instead of for the banksters.

As you know freedom and liberty is the moral thing. Are you a Democrat?

Anyway, read it if you are interested or don't if you are not.

Exactly follow societal norms of accepted moral beahviour

I was speaking of common law which really is a restatement of the non-aggression principle, I do not care what courts might say about your behaviour on abrogating voluntarily entered agreements, as my above reply
to pmaniwich says there is no line that you can draw between any party to an agreement based on whether you like them or not.

If you are dishonest in one thing then I will suspect you of being dishonest in other things.

As above do not use a dubious argument that you are not obligated to pay based on some esoteric argument, use the superior moral argument.

I think it's on page 8....

....paragraph 2 where she cracked up.

What she considers victory is merely the system leaving her alone.

As I've said many times before- go ahead and try what she recommends. Then, when you're living in a homeless shelter maybe you can post your results on the DP about how your case against the IRS is going?

Have you ever noticed that people in Canada are somewhat crazy?

Think about it, could it get that bad? You over-react methinks.

As far as entering the agreement planning on commiting fraud.

If all of this works the way it is discussed in that book, there is no fraud. The fundamental principal can be expounded on by the FED itself: [paraphrase]: "Money doesn't have to take any special form, or be issued by the government. Using the system around fractional reserve banking, anything that the bank considers valuable can be money."

I'd bet money that the highest board members and senators and "elites" in the land legally use this system to their benefit. By "this system," I mean fractional reserve banking.

See, it's all a fraud, when they lend you the money, and you sign for it (what you are signing is important, it's not what most think it is, legally speaking), they CREATE that amount 9X OVER and lend it and make plenty of money on it - all based on that original signature. Therefore, they are actually extorting and double billing - you already gave them something worth way more than he amount borrowed - therefore they cannot claim a loss. According to this literature, you then simply sign a receipt to them saying that you agree that they can't claim a loss and their balance with you is now $0.0 - so everybody's accounting books are balanced. THAT is the main thing important to the system. All the collections and lawyers and collection agencies are in the business of entering into contract with the bank and agreeing that you now owe them cash. Unless you agree from that point that you owe them more than the signature you already gave them, you give them their reciept to balance their books, and voila. This is only one of the issues when a fractional reserve bank "lends" you money. - and this is only one issue covered in what I've read so far.

I don't know the efficacy of this information, but I will find out. I understand the premise and would not be at all surprised if the elite's elite use this understanding.

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Seems to be working in the UK

I have been looking into this for the past few days and it seems to be working in the UK (haven't checked the US as much but from what I understand the lawful (not legal) situation is the same in both corporations (not countries). Check the links in the original post and find out for yourself. I am not sure I am brave enough to try it but I will certainly follow the forums and see how they get on. This could be the easiest way to personal liberty and at the same time hurt the banksters where it hurts the most.

As we know, getting people of the couch is difficult, however not paying taxes might just do the trick.

And more importantly it is the moral thing to do. No more financing of wars killing innocent people (not to mention financing the federal reserve and the banksters).

Be careful out there!

Put it to the test Lars.

Take out a bunch of loans, max out a bunch of credit cards and tell the IRS to go **** themselves. Don't pay a penny!

Give it a year, see how it works out for you and then report back to everyone on The Daily Paul.

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

This is very noteworthy! And hilarious!

betty

betty

An example of someone who actually did it

Read this story and make your own judgement http://www.rense.com/general85/form.htm

Deranged

This is one of the most idiotic things I have ever read. This person is deranged and if you buy into this nonsense you will find yourself on the losing end of an enforcement action for no good reason and to no useful end. Really, folks, this is delusional.

You want to resist the government on the grounds that it has exceeded its Constitutional authority or simply because the natural law of liberty is superior? Fine by me. Stand and speak the time honored principles of individual freedom. You want to organize a secession movement? Cite the eloquent and forceful words of our forefathers. I'll join you. But please don't go into court spouting this delusional legalistic mumbo jumbo. You make yourself look like a fool and it reflects badly on the movement. And it will accomplish nothing at all.

Standing up for your rights

This is a little off the subject but in 1994 I was about to lose my home because I had been off work with a broken foot. I had three children, car payment and a mortgage and divorced. I went to HUD to have my mortgage refinanced hoping the payments would be lowered and I wouldnt lose my home. Long story short, HUD refinanced, my payments foir the first year were $220.00 per month. 2nd year the payments were $125.00. I was thinking this is alright! The third year my payments were $28.50 per month. Well surprise at the end of the third year, when I'm just about to make my last payment of the year, I get this notice that since my payment was late they were starting forclosure proceedings unless I could come up with the entire $325,000 remaining balance on my mortgage. After many weeks of searching for a contact number to dispute their intended action, I did get a human being on the phone. I told her you cant foreclose on me because my payment was late, I know people that are 5 years behind on their mortgage and they are not losing their home.
She said yes they can. So I set out to find what I could do to save my home.
Uh, no internet at that time. I went to our Library in Tulare County and began reading every title they had on Real estae and Foreclosure. I found this book called How to stop your Foreclosure. Thumbing through it, I thought this wont work their nuts! But then I remembered I didnt have many choices. I couldnt afford an attorney, Couldnt borrow the money, I didnt have any other options.
I checked the book out and began reading all the instructions to save my home. It was all constitutional, I simply issued them a Fractional Reserve Check for the remaining balance on the mortgage and paid them off with like kind of money they loaned me for the home. You can do that with anything you didnt receive any cash in hand. If it was through a government agency then obviously they created the money and the constitution says that I can repay them with like kind of money. They mailed me back the FractionalRreserve Check and said they could not accept that so I mailed them an IOU that they could hold until they chose to cash the Fractional Reserve Check. The IOU was payable through the Fractional Reserve Check.
I didnt hear anything else from them and 6 months later recorded at the county court house was a Reconveyance for my property!
So, you never know what you can accomplish if you have the courage to stand up and fight back! In my case, I prayed and gave it a shot.

Wow - great story

This is exactly what they are talking about. Today with the internet things are much easier. How did you manage to work this out all by yourself? Well done!

On the sites they have templates for all the letters and they tell you exactly what to say and not to say. I haven't done it like you have, however I am considering. I guess it depends on the courage and more importantly how desperate your situation is.

For the brave and the ones with not too many choices it seems worth considering.

Lars- good find

Now, read "The Red Amendment" by LB Bork

Go to www.teamlaw.org and read the history of the US.

www.pacinlaw.org and read all about the 14th amendment.
http://www.barefootsworld.net/14uncon.html - 14th amendment
http://www.constitution.org/col/intent_14th.htm

http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy.htm

THANKS!

This is just a great history lesson. I wonder how many people know that!

It's fun to see how this is suddenly spreading like wild fire.

I am reading this now, and

I have been interested in this for a while, but just have not had the energy, or motivation even, to "work it out." In the last week I knew this would be my next project. I am floored that the information is couched in such practical-"spiritual" context. It dovetails perfectly with this post I wrote the other day:

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/92898

I love the quote in the book, "It is rare a man who wants to know what he doesn't want to know." I have noticed this.

Written from prison, no doubt.

If any of this were possible folks, don't you think it would have been 'revealed' prior to this?

I haven't read any of it but I would exercise extreme caution in trying any of it.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Wow

It's amazing how fast this thing is spreading now. Here it is as a video (5min).

http://dprogram.net/2009/05/15/video-30-little-known-facts-a...

I will read this later when I get home. Thank you for posting!

"The courage of one man is a majority" - Andrew Jackson

Learn all about The Redemption Process......

Our government has been operating under a differenet set of laws since 1938. This was a result of our country filing for corporate bankruptcy in 1933. Recall President Roosevelt seized everyones gold that same year. See HJR 192, 1933. Than once again the law tables turned upsidedown in 1965 with the unveiling of The Uniform Commercial Code. So the deal is the good ole U.S. of A. along with pretty much every other industrialized country throughout the world have been operating under Commercial Law / Public Policy since 1938-1965 and 1965-present. Prior to 1938, the Supreme Court was dealing with Public Law which lawfully recognized / followed the Supreme Law of Our Land, The Constitution. Since 1938, The Supreme Court has dealt with and recognized Public Policy. Today, when you walk into any courtroom in the nation, you will be tried under Public Policy Statute / Commercial Law and not Public Law with its supporting document The Constitution. Ask anyone who has gone up against the IRS in a courtroom recently and you will understand what I am currently conveying. 1938 was the year of the Erie Railroad vs. Tompkins case of the Supreme Court. It was also the year the courts claimed they blended Law with Equity. A man had sued the Erie Railroad for damages incurred when he was struck by a board sticking out of a boxcar as he walked along beside the tracks. The District Court (Federal) had decided in support of Commercial Law (Negotiable Instruments); that this man was not under any contract with the Erie Railroad, and therefore he lacked standing to sue the company. Under Common Law (Natural Law), he was damaged and would have had the right to sue. This decision overturned a standing decision of over one hundred years---- Swift vs. Tyson, 1840.

They don't have jurisdiction

The point is that the commercial law does not have jurisdiction unless you as a human being grant it to the court. You don't have to grant juridiscion but people generally don't know this and do it without even knowing it. It's all explained at the links posted above with actual examples to prove it - apparently.

Worth looking into, I think.

Wrong

Various courts have jurisdiction granted to them by Federal and State Constitutions and Federal and State statutory law. In most instances your permission is not needed. There are some very limited and unusual cases in which a court that does not have personal jurisdiction pursuant to what are called "long arm statutes" can get jurisdiction by the consent of the person being hailed into court. But for the vast majority of us in the vast majority of cases, if you are served with a summons, the court has taken jurisdiction whether you like it or not.

And the court, after TAKING jurisdiction over you will apply the UCC if it has been adopted by the State you are in and the subject matter of the case falls within the UCC.

You are correct

they WILL TAKE jurisdiction, and you have no remedy or recourse when you're incommunicado in a secret prison. This will be done regardless of what jurisdiction they are operating under.

All that matters is that they ("criminal" "justice" system) outnumber YOU (individual standing up for your god-given rights), and THEY have the guns. The only way YOU would stand a chance would be to have an armed militia ready to fight for your rights to a constitutional trial...

The Obama administration is currently "struggling" to determine what to do with prisoners that they are holding in secret prisons. Obama says that these men are too dangerous to release, but they cannot enter the prison system because of "evidence requirements" in the article 3 judicial system....

No secret

They don't have to keep you in a secret prison. They will even pay for you to have a lawyer. Then they will take jurisdiction pursuant to law and proceed with trial. Your refusal to grant jurisdiction will be totally irrelevant.

Wow

This is so far off base that I am hesitant to even bother responding.

But let's just take a stab:

So the US filed for bankruptcy in 1933? Where? In what court did it file? Under what bankruptcy law? This is silly.

And the US is a corporation? Under what law? Corporations are creatures of statutory law. In fact, they only exists as a bundle of legal presumptions provided by law. So what law provides the legal presumptions that create the legal fiction of corporate USA?

And Erie v. Tompkins did nothing like what you are saying. This nonsense is all based on a complete misunderstanding of the structure of the law and the courts. There are two kinds of law in the US - statutory law created by legislatures and common law created by courts. (We will ignore the bastard administrative law for the moment) They overlap - statutes are somtimes enacted to change common law and common law interprets statutory law. Both are applied together by the same courts and both apply to anyone within the jurisdiction of the court. Statutory law should rule in the case of conflict with common law. But courts sometimes bend that rule to their own agenda. Both statutory law and common law are "the law" and are binding in accordance with their terms on anyone in the jurisdiction.

The Uniform Commercial Code is nothing more than a set of statutes that most Sates have adopted in one form or another to apply to certain commercial transactions. The UCC does not apply to anything other than the sale of goods. It doesn't apply to real property, torts, or criminal law, among other things. Unless you are involved in the buying or selling of commercial goods, the UCC is not applicable to you.

Public policy is a term for a justification for certain common law pronouncements and interpretations of statute. It is rarely applied. But it usually sucks when it does because it generally undermines traditional common law that usually protected property rights and contract rights. But to suggest that something called Public Policy is now the law of the land is wrong.

There are many court systems - each state has one and the Federal government has one. Different courts apply different sets of statutory and common laws. Erie v. Tompkins merely held that in one certain type of Constitutionally-mandated Federal court jurisdiction (called diversity because it applies to people from diverse states) the court must apply the law of one of the states of residence rather than Federal common law. In other words, the Federal courts could not create their own common law to apply in diversity cases - they had to apply state law. Erie v. Tompkins is what is called a "choice of law" case. It has no application outside Federal diversity cases.

As for the blending of law and equity, that was a feature of the courts from the very beginning of the US, although as time went on, equity doctrine (such as estoppel, laches, unclean hands etc.) was more completely absorbed into, and mostly superceded by, law. There were never separate equity and law courts in this country, although there were in Great Britain at one time.