Obama's Attempt to Cover-up Prisoner Abuse Photos Fails
New 'Prisoner Abuse' Photographs Emerge Despite US Bid to Block Publication
Graphic photographs of alleged prisoner abuse, thought to be among up to 2,000 images Barack Obama is trying to prevent from being released, emerged yesterday.
by Alex Spillius in Washington
The shocking images of inmates in Iraq and Afghanistan were published just a day after the US president announced plans for a legal battle stop them ever being seen.
Images emerged from Australia yesterday where they were originally obtained by the channel SBS in 2006 in the wake of the Abu Ghraib scandal. They risked provoking renewed hostility in the Middle East as Mr Obama attempts to build bridges with the Islamic world.
He is scheduled to make a major speech in Cairo on June 4 when he will launch his version of a plan to bring peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians.
One picture showed a prisoner hung up upside down while another showed a naked man smeared in excrement standing in a corridor with a guard standing menacingly in front of him. Another prisoner is handcuffed to the window frame of his cell with underpants pulled over his head.
full article:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/b...





















Why Did They Try To Stop The Release Of The Pictures?
Why did the Administration attempt to stop the distribution of these photos? Do they know that they did something wrong, and that they could be prosecuted for this?
Things like this couldn't happen if we had transparency in government. Only criminals like to work in the shadows. They don't want the light of day illuminating their work.
That bitch
in the 15th photo should be shot in the face.
i dont understand how prisoner abuse photos
i dont understand how prisoner abuse photos come in waves?
i mean, is there somebody sitting on another 2000, that will be released in 3 more years???
out with them.
You are correct sir, sorry
i was jut being pissy this morning sorry for the rude comment, my bad dog
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How's your assault charge going?
Did you "room mate" drop the charges?
No problem.
I didn't actually know your thread on the topic existed. I just thought it made a good newspost.
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WOW, thanks mike
i really like how you posted this thread even though i already posted this thread.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/93126
hey give me your email and ill just email you my post so you can copypasta!
great article by the way, im glad i found it and posted it!
wow thanks mike?
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Except that this thread is
Except that this thread is actually readable and doesn't look like it belongs on 4chan. Seriously, take it easy on the mudkipz and such.
Bad memes do not a good thread make.
pwned
i face palm myself, i have just lost the game
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Your kidding me right...
Ron Paul brought me around...should I not try and spread the word just because someone else "already said that"...please if your going to bitch and moan, find something worth moaning about.
There are things repeated on here all the time..believe it or not people don't live on the DP 24 hours a day and don't always see other post. I for one am very glad that this got posted again because I didn't see the "original" BroMike post.
Besides if you posted this didn't you find it somewhere else? It's not like your were an original author who doesn't want the information spread....are you?
I appreciate most of your writing and thoughts and I am there to stand up for you on most things too, but this is a little childish and selfish to say the least. The information needs to be spread by all means necessary, we don't get gold stars around here for not pissing our pants.
Kevin does not feel well
He has a bad cold and maybe he didn't see your post.
You better watch out Bromike... he might turn you into a character in one of his comix strips poof
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bromike~ chill out!
This happens all the time on DP...yours probably dropped off at some point and someone comes on later not realizing the same info has been posted...happens to all of us..so just chill out..its all good.. at least the info gets out...nothing personal!!
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Sorry, I don't see the "change"
from the Bush administration on this subject one iota --- it's still secrecy, secrecy, secrecy. Oh, and the military tribunals for the "detainees" in Guantanamo Bay are coming back, too, courtesy of Obama, in all violation of the US Constitution.
Nice change there, Messiah!
Grassroots awaken! & Dialectic at work here!
Obama, being a good Marxist, would of course be more interested in any detrimental and evil information coming out against the honor of America, and the best dialectical method is appear to oppose the release... something I do not believe for one instant! This is perfect for creating class warfare, a major communist style tactic which calls for more change and government control and interference.
He then will be 'forced' into confronting the propaganda with the need for change... the reaction of the Obama administration is far more insidious than the release of pictures, the release of faked, enhanced, and otherwise shocking pictures all the better! Of course inforcement of moral or criminal laws against torture will be long oin coming if at all, since communism has always supported crime increase coupled with demoralization of the populace as a tool for change.... specifically the kind of change which involves chaos, revolution, and ultimately the hoped for destruction by violence of the old constitutional form of government, paving and begging the way for dictatorship in all it's historical glory!
My friends, most pronouncements by CFR, NWO, communist and socialist types, leaders of the DNC and RNC, etc., are to be re-interpreted for the opposite meaning... most sheeple believe the lie and loose very fast at chess! When they say no, that means yes, and when they say they are for something, it means they will oppose with all possible resources.
I refer you to the 1972 published book, A communese-English dictionary by Roy Colby, Published in 1972, Western Islands, Bloomfield Books [distributor] (Boston (Mass.), Sudbury) ...
You will find all the favorite expressions of the last 8 presidents and leaders of congress therein! It was humerous back in the 1970's, but has become all too serious, as we see the language of deception and destruction freely spouted by nearly all the "leadership".
It is now time to focus the total efforts of the RP grassroots directly on the precinct level electorate, cloning ourselves, before it is too late. We need a logarithmic increase in precinct workers over the next few months.
Why??
The logic is simple and inescapable! The ONLY rescue of liberty possible, is to be found in throwing out all the leadership, from the president down through congress, the parties, and possibly even the C4L if they do not get on top of the precincts, stop playing party games and fighting for a few bills in congress! They need to wake up to the desparate lack of time and people left us.
The numbers have drastically dwindled from the teams we had by convention time... why and how could the leadership have squandered such a fantastic opportunity to move an army into the precincts! Never mind a few bills, the electorate has not changed more than a small fraction in knowing how to tell the good statesmen from the crooks come ballot time, because the grassroots is distracted into helping paint the crooks with their pretty brushes, by spending all the time and efforts on getting them to co-sponsor bills which the public will have not a clue about even if passed.
Do not mistake me, I am for the passage... but not at the expense of the liberty movement's real cause! Which is - throwing all caution to the wind and focusing 100% on throwing the bums out... all the leadership has to go on Black Tuesday!!
It is time to create the BLACK TUESDAY! Beware to all incumbants. Black Tuesday is coming.
Is your precinct 100% behind us? Behind America and liberty? 50% even? If you do not know, then nothing has changed since the last time except we have far less time left!!
This is the only issue worthy of the precious time left us in this rapidly dwindling air supply of freedom! Are you ready to accept that the grassroots gained 1% in the ballot box, or are you ready to fight for 90%, for that is what it will take to short out the electronics and fraud of election tampering! Who cares about the tampering now? It was designed to finesse and massage the results in various places, when in fact the bums filled both sides of the ballot anyway!
The only way to defeat them without full paper counting at the precinct level, is the only thing left us anyway to return to freedom, and that is massive electorate understanding of what their pain means and who caused it, come ballot time... therefore where to place their mark!
That is the task of THIS GENERATION... I hope we awaken and do not squander the precious time left us, for the window of opportunity is closing fast!
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Not so sure
These photos have been around the web for about 4 years. I saw them in the summer of 2005. IIRC, they were said to taken by personnel at Abu Ghraib. Same time frame as the famous torture photos all over the news.
I believe the administration is referring to a whole 'nother pile of photos.
Live Free or Die~ You are correct ...
I think these few more photos were released to try and make the public think that that is the worst of it but it is NOT! PLease read the links I have here in this post.. there are far worse things than the pics above that they do not want to come out read the reports in all these links :
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/93126#comment-1019940
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I agree Liberty_Belle
I did a little digging, and, as I suspected, these are NOT the images which our administration is arguing about releasing. This is a non-story, a red herring.
From BBC & Salon.com articles in February, 2006:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4715540.stm
Link to BBC Photo Gallery "In pictures: New Abu Ghraib images":
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/4716280.stm
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/02/16/abu_ghraib/inde...
Link to Salon.com Photo Gallery:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/02/16/abu_ghraib/port...
*note the prisoner in handcuffs shown sodomizing himself with what appears to be a banana. Also note the allegation that this prisoner did this to himself, as a "mentally deranged detainee". So, who gave him the banana?
Anyhow, tell me those images don't look familiar? Published over 3 years back in the mainstream press- but they- and even worse, MORE sickening photos, were circulating in various internet forums for at least 1 year prior to that.
Video of torture
NSFW!
If anyone still thinks the still photos were contrived or just not true... Video clips of the torture start around 1:45 mark of this video, posted on Google video 9/25/06
There are many other, more graphic videos of torture out there on the 'net which belong to this Abu Ghraib set.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1152672679054212861...
OR: http://tinyurl.com/rbzakz
That's one of the "safer" explicit videos out there. Search for more at your own risk.
A Torturer's Tale - Iraq
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3l170cMRDQ&feature=related
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Our thanks to whomever released these pictures.
It seems there are some journalists still interested in getting to the truth.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
None of the above
qualify as torture in my opinion. OK, uncomfortable and demeaning but not torture. In WW2 the Germans tortured and killed our soldiers, the Japanese tortured, starved to death and/or just killed our soldiers and in Vietnam they tortured our soldiers. No other country has ever followed the Geneva Convention. War is hell that is why we should never go to 'war' unless it is to defend our country. Once you do, you pull out all the stops and win.
Well..
what you say is true about Germany, Japan, Viet Nam. What you left out is that the majority of them were later sentenced for war crimes... some were even exectuted for it. In fact, the most damning evidence used in our Japanese war trials was the use of waterboarding. We were the ones that held that trial.
If we follow that logic through, then historically we need a war crimes tribunal and force legal process. After all, we ourselves have sentenced abd executed others that have done it to us.
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Then you wouldn't mind having it all done to you too?
Torture does not have to result in death or disfigurement to be "torture", and any decent (i.e., non-neocon warmongering fascist) instinctively knows torture when they see or hear it --- and the USA DID engage in torture, and those involved DO need to pay for their medieval and barbarous crimes!
Any attempt to excuse or rationalize what was done by our own armed forces in the name of "security" (the most egregious state crimes are ALWAYS performed in the name of "security") is pathetic and flat-out unAmerican, and anyone trying to justify torture fully deserves to have it performed on them.
Wow. Maybe you'd like to subject your wife or children...
...to this kind of 'treatment' since you don't consider it 'torture'.
That should keep them in line!
Don't feel bad... you and John McCain can hold hands and tell everyone that 'war is hell'.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Are you really condoning this torture?
Those pics are just a few more examples...they are bad enough but the truly horrific has yet to become widely known. Have you even read the these reports in the links here:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/93126#comment-1019940
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Edited by poster for the sake of front page cleanliness.
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Evil is still evil even if everybody is doing it!
Just because the rest of the world sinks into barbarism, it doesn't justify our behavior. It just makes it obvious that we are incapable of self-restraint and, therefore, incapable of ruling ourselves.
Besides, from everything I've read and seen on the issue, it appears that we paid Afghan informants to finger "bad guys." Of course, they fingered mostly foreigners. Hmmmmm, doesn't that inspire confidence?
Sorry to disagree with what you just wrote..
and it appears that you (conveniently?) omit to mention that American soldiers too tortured and maltreated prisoners in Germany.
Will post the references when I come across them. It wasn't a pretty read I can assure you.
Torture is torture, where do you draw the line?
don't be sorry hannah!!
Winston dictionary(copyright 1949)
torture- 1. the act of inflicting extreme pain or torment. 2. agony of MIND or body:excrutiating pain; anguish.
Mirriam Webster dictionary(copyright 2004)
torture- 1. to cause intense suffering to: TORMENT. 2. to punish or coerce by inflicting severe pain.
Rogets 2 The new thesaurus(copyright 1980)
torture- crucify, rack, torment, afflict, HELL
1. to subject another to extreme physical cruelty.
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For Muslims....
1. the act of inflicting extreme pain or torment. 2. agony of MIND or body:excrutiating pain; anguish.
See Naked Ladies and being in the presents of Ladies not covered to the face is Torture in their eyes because of their culture, it is extremely degrading and humiliating to them....
which would cause agony of the mind!