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Not the AK vs AR debate again
Anyone knows who has been around guns that this is a debate that has been around for a long time. Let me make it easy for you since I've handled both many times.
General points:
AK = extremely reliable, ballistically superior (in 7.62 x 39), simple mechanism makes it easy to field dress, less accurate, fairly crude unless Russian or Bulgarian. The Chinese, Romanian, Egyptian generally speaking or inferior.
AR = less reliable than AK, typically chambers .223 caliber, lesser caliber than 7.62 available in AK, complex mechanism makes field dressing more complicated, highly accurate, good quality, easy to find ammo,
Just a few points to consider.
In the end, go with the AK, but only after you've started out with your Remington 30.06. Finally, move to your stashed shotgun, then to your main handgun, then your boot gun, your std military knife, your credit card knife, finally, your knuckles:-)
I have chosen my house as my "last stand"
The gate to my property is 300yds away and 100yds below my house. I can plink beer cans off my gate with my 30-06. My driveway is literally the only way into my property, and I can cover the 1st 100 yds with the 30-06. If anyone travels beyond, then the AK comes into play...then shotgun, then 40sw, then 9mm, then knife. I seriously doubt it ever will come to knuckles. AR vs AK - purely bragging rights. They are both good guns (neither is a 308). Which ever you have doesn't really matter if you are not compentent with your gun. Doesn't really matter what hardware you have if you are not competent with it - practice, practice, practice with the gun you think you may need to use.
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you by alamosa curtis? "When
you by alamosa curtis?
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About 100 hard miles
east, south of HW 12
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I went to college in
I went to college in Alamosa.. 82-85
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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GET SMART
Let me know when you can detect who is the good person & who is the bad, then I may give the weapons a rating consideration over the internet.The one you have ammo for is usually the best choice..
you-no
just got a saiga 12
ha ha ha wow. that is f*@king great! gotta love the AK
i have not shot either
though i plan on buying an ak-47, and a good buddy of mine has an ar-15 and wants me to test it out. i cant wait!!!
which ever way you go... go
which ever way you go... go soon.. and buy your ammo super quick.. a 1000 rounds of m855 .223 ammo I bought 5 years ago for 200.00 now goes for over 600.00.
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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I watched the whole series
I watched the whole series. It was awesome! Great post, thanks. Someday...
If You Can Only Afford or Carry One Rifle, Make Sure it's a .308
Don't play around with assault rifles like the AR and AK, unless you are merely looking for something cheap - then go with the AK.
Even the AKs have doubled in price. What used to be a $300 rifle is now a $600 rifle or more.
I've said this often, but I'll repeat it here, one of the best .308 semi-autos for the price is the PTR-91.
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I agree 100%.
Caliber should be the primary consideration over action type, magazine capacity, or even ergonomics.
I do not buy the hype about the purported "knockdown power" of the .223, based on high-velocity hyperstatic shock and yaw (tumbling). I believe it is hype, and nothing else. If it was true, most deer hunters would stalk whitetails with mini-14s and AR-15s. They generally don't.
A 30-30 round, however, will bag a deer at close range, and it's ballistically similar to an AK-47 round.
A .308 will bag a deer at 300 yards, and will probably stop a charging bear in its tracks at close range. That's the caliber I'd want for self-defense.
If the PTR-91 is a true clone of the HK-91, it must be a fine weapon.
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The manufacturer purchased actual H&K tooling.
So it's not really a clone, it is an actual H&K, just manufactured under a different brand name in the USA.
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ahhm,
I just paid for a Ps90 SBR and plan on stocking up ammo soon, also reloading my own heavier grain rounds, I don't think exotic ammo is an issue unless you don't plan on buying a few thousand rounds.
should I have gotten a heavier cal.? i went with the Ps90 (sbr) for urban manuverability (home, car, woods behind the house..), its easy silencer set up (which iplan on doing) and excelent penitration; how ever I am well aware of the exotic nature of the ammo but think that a reloading set up plus stocking up a bit now should cover that.
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“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato
silencers are a class 3
silencers are a class 3 item.. don't get caught without a machine gun stamp.. also just make sure you research the weapon and buy extra spare parts.. the parts for that rifle will not be readily available if the shtf!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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I'm paying all my fee's and
I'm paying all my fee's and registering it like a good little citizen.
already an extra 200 for SBR, and another 200 for the silencer for ATFrobbery.
I also got a mastif breed for my front line defense ;)
“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato
“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato
Like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5yTVFmIOuU&feature=related
Plus I figure my wife and daughter would have no issue at all firing this weapon.
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“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato
Well, the key is never running out of ammo.
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thats true
I plan on buying a few thousand rounds and using a brass catcher + reloading set up, perhaps that will suffice for me?
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cool, those look pretty sick
i like the DPMS SASS (semi-auto sniper system)
http://www.dpmsinc.com/firearms/firearm.aspx?id=19
FirepowerTV DPMS SASS Rifle Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCH8TSm_Wdg
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPls_W7r2Is
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Close-Up Video of PTR-91 Battle Rifle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVBkVdW7dxI
The difference between any AR gas piston system and the H&K delayed roller-lock system is both durability and reliability.
The LRT-SASS will cost you a few hundred dollars more than an MSG-91 perimeter rifle. Nearly $1000 more if you just go with the standard PTR-91 instead.
MSG-91 $1700
PTR-91 $1150
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i agree
"The difference between any AR gas piston system and the H&K delayed roller-lock system is both durability and reliability."
totally
accuracy,control and accessory capability is what i'm hoping to get out of the LRT-SASS. i still haven't marked the AK off my wish list but with the price on the SASS the AK will have to wait a while. after i get the SASS i will still need a good AK for my short range mud gun but then that's it i PROMISE.
although.... i do need a good 40 cal. and i should also get a .45 for when the SHTF, oh and i would hate to be caught with out a good old .357 S&W Magnum for when jams aren't a option and then there's the Ruger SR9 that i can't stop thinking about. :)
i'm sure i left something out...... oh yeah, ammo ammo ammo and more ammo.
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i bought a PTR 91 2 weeks ago
and it is the bee's knees. Closet thing to an actual HK 91 I could find without paying a ridiculous amount of money...plus FN FAL are too pricey as well.
This gun shoots great. With lots of available parts and accessories.
yep you are right and
yep you are right and magazines are cheap..
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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If you're thinking about buying a AK
Go with a Yugo SKS and a few after market parts and save yourself some dough. Just my .02.
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THe SKS
is actually a sweet gun - it's just not a carbine or a "real" rifle. My biggest disapointment with the SKS is that the magazines are not interchangable with my AK.
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for me its the ar15, colt
for me its the ar15, colt and LWRC... my main rifle is a springfield m1a with a sage ebr stock.. I know the Ak is a good weapon but I can't convince myself to buy a commie built gun.. sorry..
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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hahaha i love it!!!!!
"I know the Ak is a good weapon but I can't convince myself to buy a commie built gun.. sorry.."
Wonderful!!!
That's awesome. I felt the same way until I ran across a WASR 10 for 400 bucks!!!!! That thing is a hoot!!!
Interestin'
y'all got some bucks buyin' them. Best to ya
oh, I'll take one of each includin' the, whats that, a M1A : - )
I'll check it out. I do like the choice of calibers of the ar-15. So what are the choices?
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and my Katana for Close-Quarter-Combat :)
I like the AR-15 -- I'm not a great shot with rifles and the AR is more accurate and I need that; if something other than me is off my shots are way off, hahaha. I would take an AK-47 as a special gift if anyone wants to give me one, smile.
I'm a hallway man -- in my youth I was a competitive skeet and trap shooter.
I have 4 shotguns and would love to own this (hehehehehehe):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhstuvzMiB0
Nice Post!!
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