I need some help explaining why being a "Reagan Republican" is no badge of honor
Submitted by MikeLawson on Tue, 05/19/2009 - 20:34I have a spot on a radio show this Saturday and I KNOW this will come up. I know Reagan talked a pretty good game but never really delivered. I don't spend much time worrying about what the puppets are doing, so it's hard for me to put together too much beyond, "He was no different than the 4 before him and the 4 after him."
Help me out guys.
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Don't forget Jeanne Dixon!!
I mean, how could all of the info already listed below have been "forseen" and "manipulated" without the aide of a White House astrologist?
I've never like the hostage release timing thingy either. Very disingenuous.
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Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer
ronald reagan was one of americas greatest
actors. by that i mean(besides the fact that he really was an actor), he got people to believe he stood for certain things that in fact he did not, even long after his presidency, people still somehow think he was a champion of capitalism.
Not really what you want, I just like this quote. Especially
after Lindsey Grahams speech about being a Ronald Reagan Republican but NOT a Libertarian:
“If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. …The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is”. -Ronald Reagan
Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
some specifics
Generally to be a Reagan Republican is to embrace the rhetoric of freedom but to be unaware of fundamental actions which undermine it.
Specifically, Reagan convinced the Republic that increasing and maintaining deficits was OK.
Second, he expanded our meddling in the affairs of other nations (see my post below in this thread), and this is probably the big one.
Domestically, you have of course his war on drugs, which others have mentioned.
Since I am no fan of Reagan
I can imagine someone defining themselves as a Reagan Republican and me raising my eyebrow, looking at them with my head tilted and saying, "Oh wow", like, "you poor stupid idiot", which could be translated to, "no badge of honor".
Ronald Reagan was a Democrat until 1962. He destroyed the GOP which has lost it's way since Reaganomics (Communism).
I know he witnessed against the communist he worked with, but I'm sorry... to me he was a RINO and a communist at heart REAGANOMICS, war on drugs, the Iran hostages,,, he was a very bad man and we've gone down hill since, and hollywood has ruled since.
1984 no crap Reagan
WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
funniest comments ever
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One more reason to disavow Reagan
...because that great champion of liberty- Jeb Bush, said so!
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Reagan = Keynesian
Reagan used deficits to stimulate "aggregate demand" and create the illusion of prosperity (high consumption at the expense of consuming our capital). He was a fraud.
He gave great speeches, though.
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Saint Ronald Reagan
Zero Tolerance
Asset Confiscation
Social Security Number tied to everything
Banking 'Secrecy' Law (an Orwellian designation if there ever was one)
Sandra Day O'Connor
William H. Rehnquist, whom Reagan elevated to Chief Justice
Antonin Scalia
Anthony M. Kennedy
Jingoism and the banishment of 'The Vietnam Syndrome'
...and last but not least, treason (arranging for the hostages in Iran to be held until the election).
Don't forget
his wife's "Just Say No" campaign that precipitated the "War on Drugs!"
And don't forget
his other wars (undeclared wars or "military actions" of course).
El Salvador
Libya
Sinai
Lebanon
Egypt
Granada
Chad
Iran/Persian Gulf
Bolivia
Iraq
Kuwait (protecting Kuwaiti tankers)
Honduras (-vs- Nicaragua)
That's not counting what continued and expanded under Bush I.
It is interesting and informative to read RP's Foreign Policy of Freedom in which you can see how RP was protesting all along the way with each of these military actions.
2 sets of 2 words
1. Iran Contra
2. Drug War
Just go with Goldwater Republican he never got the chance to be a hypocrite.
Just finished reading Goldwater on wiki.
I have to say, I really, really, like that guy! He was a truly great patriot. I liked the way he told republican imposters and religious right wingers where to go!
I really, really like him! Didn't realize he was just sooooo great!
"The courage of one man is a majority" - Andrew Jackson
Good thread Mike!
As far as public relations goes, he brought a lot of people back to the party and they raised a lot of money at that time in the GOP because of his 'John Wayne' style. He was an actor. And could talk a good talk. But in my opinion he was not very bright.
He pushed for 'de-regulation' in an economy that is a hooligans paradise. To de-regulate within a monopoly, has led us to what we have today....insanity. The corruption has never been greater. So it pulled the plug on oversight. Especially the SEC and FBI. Think about it.
"The courage of one man is a majority" - Andrew Jackson
Mike,
Reagan is not lauded because he was a staunch constitutionalist; it is because he was an anomaly---a popular bright spot on a dull backdrop. The personality and substance of his presidency were unlike the Republican Party beforehand and afterward. He was unlike them, and they would never emulate him afterward.
Had he not been so keenly affectionate and firm---had he not been grandfatherly and resolute in his persona, we would certainly not hear so much praise for him today---even if his policies were exactly the same. America LIKED Ronald Reagan. That is the source of his popularity. It was not primarily because of his political prowess or his philosophy about the Constitution.
Remember, this is the same America that, even today, does not read its own Constitution, and that pretty much doesn't care that we are a nation that does not follow its own laws. So what bragging rights are there in being merely likable? (When you're the President, that is---not that being likable in itself is not a laudable thing.)
I imagine that America would quite enjoy having Dumbledore be President, too---even though he's not a real person, not an American, and doesn't know the Constitution, either.
Now that I've said all that----Reagan DID wow self-identified "conservatives" with some great one-liners, calling for (and even achieving) reform in various ways. And in those one-liners were curiously born the "conservative roots" of the Republican Party! They were "roots" that didn't seem to exist much BEFORE Reagan took office, and they certainly didn't exist one minute AFTER H.W. was sworn in. (Bush 41 began immediately to disassemble much of what Reagan accomplished. And in so doing, 41 was clearly following the official direction of the Republican Party.)
This is why I say Reagan was an anomaly. He was NOT the Republican Party; he was just a nice guy that the Republican Party let be president once upon a time.
Since then, we often hear the self-proclaimed spokespersons for the Republican Party saying, "I miss Reagan". Yet they cannot, for the life of them, seem to replicate the man? Nobody can be found to be like Reagan? No one? The fact of the matter is that the real Republican Party leadership does not at this time WANT anyone like Reagan with regard to his philosophy that "government is the problem". Yes, they'd like someone as popular, but not someone as resolute on that particular issue.
With Reagan, people see what they want to see. Those who like his "conservative values" remember those with enthusiasm. And those who simply like the fact that he won the White House for the Republican Party are enthusiastic about that.
Actually, Ron Paul is more like Reagan than Reagan was when it comes to small government! So why don't all the people who "miss Reagan" cling to Ron Paul? It's because for many, missing Reagan is not a thoroughly defined position. If Ron Paul had some more "John Wayne" in his persona, like Reagan did, he'd probably be more popular still. (Don't get me wrong: I don't think that Ron Paul needs to be like John Wayne, but the American people like that sort of thing, it seems, and were be apt to vote for it.)
Now, as to people claiming to be "Reagan Republicans", just what are they really claiming? Are they claiming that they, too, are anomalies---afloat in a sea of "non-Reagan Republicans"? Are they claiming to be "real" Republicans in a sea of "RINOs"? Are they somehow attesting to the hopelessness of meaningful party reform? (That is, that 8 years of Reagan did NOT reform the character of the Republican Party, and that many of his improvements were immediately reversed by Bush 41.)
I think the appeal to Reagan's name is not a definitive tactic, but an emotional one. People who claim to be "Reagan Republicans" may not necessarily be any more willing to take a firm stand on obedience to the Constitution than people who claim to be a "Carter Democrat" (OK, bad example, because I don't think anybody claims that---but you get the idea.)
It's just talk. It says "I remember the warm feelings". It does not say, "I'm ready to reform the Republican Party and the nation, too."
But even so, what better time than now to say, "I'm a Reagan Republican", since government is bigger and causing more trouble than ever. It will just as surely be said as there are sure to be plenty of unthinking people to find it a compelling sentiment.
What it will yield (at best), however, is a Republican sweep of the Congress in 2010. And then it will be the Republican Party's chance, once again, to lead the way down the slippery slope of constitutional disobedience---which is exactly where the Party wanted to go before, during, and after Reagan.
Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
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Hey Hey Now -- Don't you speak on Dumbledore now!
Hahahaha.
Reagan was a Goldwater Republican up 'till his assassination attempt -- after that (right after that) all the Goldwater Republicans Reagan brought into his cabinet were routed out -- I think there was over 100 or over 300 replacements -- all the replacements were brought in by Bush Sr.
The rise of the Neocons *Darth Vader Music*
Reagan helped to push Prop 13 "the people's bill."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/ocregister/prop13.html
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*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
I would like to think that Dumbledore would....
read the Constitution if he found himself Head Master over the USA. (And of course, he'd comply with what he read and insist that the rest Congress do the same.
Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
www.ruleoflawrevolution.com
Jack Pelham
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www.ruleoflawrestoration.com
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thank you very very much.
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He talked the talk, but didn`t walk the walk.
Like so many others---------------------------
"Since 1789 the only government on Earth that has the power to crush the American people`s liberties across the board is the government of the United States"
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Reality check for the brain
THE Russians didn't bring the wall down because Reagan spoke the words...
you-no
Maybe
you could point out he had a Bush for a veep?
Articles from LewRockwell.com:
The Gipper and His Legacies - William L. Anderson
Ronald Reagan’s Good Rhetoric, Bad Policies, and Vile Followers - Anthony Gregory
The Reagan Phenominon - Murray Rothbard
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