***Jesse Ventura for President - Libertarian Party - 2012***
Imagine the possibilities, everyone.
This outspoken military man, towering and strong, speaking truth to power in a political party that has long needed an outspoken celebrity to carry its banner.
Jesse is unmistakably libertarian in tone, and particularly in regard to the one issue of the day that matters most--opposition to the US military and surveillance empire. He has dismissed the party as "anarchist" before in interviews, but I believe he should give libertarianism a second look. It's a big tent...the only thing libertarians universally have in common is that they are anti-statist.
I believe Ventura qualifies.
And I, for one, would like to see some real competition between the existing third parties. If we stopped worrying about that "one percent" factor, and started worrying more about the MESSAGE and its messenger, the third party liberty movement could go far--it could catch fire.
The public is disgusted with the two-party system.
The Constitution Party has found its voice in Chuck Baldwin--someone who speaks courageously, and well, and matches the demographic and audience of his party. The populist Left also has Ralph Nader, who forcefully advances an anti-imperialist philosophical mesage with great aplomb.
But the Libertarian Party, for a long time, has needed a messenger who fits the above description, and excites the American public. I believe Jesse Ventura could be that messenger.
Who else agrees? And how could we use the Internet to help catch this brushfire?
Well, I like Jesse but I
don't think he is presidential material. When he blew up and walked off the show the other day I thought nope, that's not good. When he suggested that the draft be started and I understand WHY he said it, but that was a BIG turn off. Doesn't he realize even if the elite sent their kids they would be stationed here in the states are someplace safe. I forgot the other thing he mentioned. Another thing is his show, if he makes REAL headway in waking people up or turn people off of truth, we shall see. I really, really hope he can wake people up, if he can do that it would be HUGE. He might make a good vice president.
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Oh God
I think we're going to blow up in 2012 because there is going to be a split. Ron Paul would never have raised 20 million in one quarter if there were a split.
Ron Paul, Gary Johnson and Jesse Ventura all run....all it ends up with is us arguing and none of them ever going anywhere.
P.S.: for me, no Ventura. No admitted 9/11 truthers.
if the constitution party,
if the constitution party, libertarian party and those who would support nader do not come together as one we will be kissing another election goodbye in 2012...
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
Let's not. The Libertarian
Let's not. The Libertarian Party is a dead end. Not completely sold on Mr. Ventura either.
No thanks.
When this man learns the difference between the terms "dissent" and "dissension," then maybe. He's a hothead, something that is not good in a President. He is anti religion, also not good in my book. Then there is the fact that he lapses into talking like a liberal pretty regularly, so no.
Another Libertarian Party candidate
who's not fundamentally libertarian? Isn't that what destroyed the Republican Party, choosing candidates who aren't soundly rooted in principles of small gov.?
Jesse just said he's for the draft, and even if it's a strategy to reduce military engagements, it still fundamentally accepts the belief that government owns you, body, wages, whatever they say. And he's so proud of his Navy Seal training, I'm not so sure he would really reduced military build up.
Jesse Ventura is not running for President in 2012
Once again no one pays attention to reality: Jesse Ventura has said he is not running for President in 2012.
Jesse on monetary policy
Anyone have any information on Jesse's views on monetary policy and the Fed? I'd love to know this. If he were in support of transparency, I'd be very willing to support him as president. Most things he says I agree with, but I have no clue about his views on mp.
http://theconstitutionalists1.blogspot.com
Bob Barr just sucked he wasn't a plant...
...you have no proof that he deliberately set about to destroy the LP. The LP has proven year after year that it is perfectly capable of doing that on its own!!!
As for Jesse, it wasn't that he rejected the LP as a possible party to run with, its that they rejected him. I've said this over and over that the uber-purist and the right leaning uber-pragmatist have way to much sway over the party and keep it from ever successfully growing. They totally snubbed him a talked crap on him back in 98. He was perfect back then and he isn't now either but he's come long way.
Oops...wrong site.
You must have mistakenly come to the Daily PAUL by accident!
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Honestly
There are only a few guys who I would love to see run.
Jesse Ventura, Gary Johnson, Peter Schiff, Ron Paul, maybe Lou Dobbs, or Healthfoods CEO John Mackey.
I just need a good one to support in the end.
If Paul or Johnson do not get out of GOP primary I think we need a Ventura or Schiff to run, no doubt about it.
Since Dr. Paul did not leave the GOP and run Libertarian it kind of took the steam out of our sails, but in 2012 if it becomes clear that one of our guys is not going to win nomination we need a full force 3rd option.
I like Jesse
and agree with him on most issues. I would like to see him focus more on the economy and banking...and the FED....he doesn't seem to have much to say about those topics....and I do not like his position on immigration. But, I would support him if Ron Paul was not the Republican nominee. Maybe, If Jesse won as a Libertarian he would appoint Ron Paul as secretary of the Treasury. That would be a no brainer. Of course, I still believe that even with big name guy like Ventura as the Libertarian party candididate he would only receive a tiny portion of the vote...because most voters are still loyal to their parties and the two parties still control the main stream media. I hope for the best but accept my reality.
That's why with Ron on his
That's why with Ron on his team he could tackle the banking/economy issues and collaborate with Jesse on the nation building, globalization issues. Would be a great thing for this country that's for sure.
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I couldn't agree more.
I couldn't agree more. Ventura 2012
Ventura 2012
Jesse on monetary policy??
Does anyone know Ventura's stance on monetary policy and the Federal Reserve? That is actually something I have never come across. This is probably a very important fact to know before we all jump on the bandwagon. I mean, I love Ventura. He is a great guy, charismatic, and always stands up for the truth. However, it is important to know where he stands on certain issues before supporting him as a politician.
http://theconstitutionalists1.blogspot.com
Jesse Ventura as LP candidate
Jesse Ventura is a charismatic, attractive candidate who would certainly be a credible (second party) alternative for the wretched Demoblicans we voters will face in 2012. I do not know how familiar he is with libertarian politics, and also how comfortably he will be able to articulate clearly libertarian, free market alternatives to current badly flawed statist policies. This is, after all, the most important responsibility of a candidate, especially a Presidential one.
I am especially concerned because he was NOT especially libertarian when he was Governor of Minnesota. We also had the misfortune of already running a candidate in 2008 who was also articulate and credible, (for an ex GOPer) but whose knowledge (and advocacy) of free markets, private contracts, and individual rights and self responsibility i.e. libertarianism, left room for some work both in foreign and domestic policy!
If I recall, Bob Barr even was an advocate of the ridiculous "Fair Tax" as an alternative to the existing income tax, a totally unacceptable position for a representative of a Party who recognises that taxation is theft...
If and when Jesse Ventura--or Bob Barr--educates himself to being a full-fledged libertarian--we should be delighted to offer him a spot on the Presidential ticket in '12. If the LP doesn't advocate full fledged individual liberty--and self responsibility--nobody else will!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
Bob Barr was never a Libertarian
He was neo-con plant whose job it was to destroy the LP's chances of having a break-through year.
Bob Barr as a "neocon plant"
If Barr was a "neocon plant" as some of his critics suggested, and not just an evolving ex GOP er moving in a strongly libertarian direction, neocons could not have picked a less suitable one!
You saw an intelligent and articulate candidate who voted for the despicable patriot act in 2002, then publicly come out for its complete repeal, and using a large part of his candidacy to highlight how bad that legislation actually was, including participating in a hearing on Presidential power before the House Judiciary committee, He has a superb record on second amendment issues--far better than McCain or the other 'neocon" candidates--and has also called for extensive deregulation in medicine, environment, and so-called "workplace safety", in contrast to the mere tinkering around the edges reforms supported by McCain, Romney, Giuliani, and the other neocons.
He did NOT unfortunately call for immediate and complete withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan, but he certainly opposed extension of those wretched wars, and indicated a willingness to listen to Ron Paul and more libertarian foreign policy options in the future. Can any reader of the dailypaul imagine McCain, Thompson, Romney, or for that matter Sarah Palin doing that? Me neither!
His support of the "fair tax" was also disappointing for a Libertarian, but I think that he would be glad to listen to us if we stopped calling him a neocon. He might well have supported it because he didn't know any better, and once he realizes that it merely gives the Federal government money to spend that it SHOULD NOT have, he probably will endorse complete and unconditional repeal of the income tax. I think that he would also listen to arguments for sound money and ending the Fed and be glad to work with Ron Paul and the Georgia LP if we enourage him.
His failure to co operate with Ron Paul in the debate with the other third party dissidents was foolish and mistaken! It was especially tragic when one considers that only libertarians have answers to the problems which Baldwin, Nader, and McKinney posed. The others all had partial answers, but were deeply flawed in the rest of their ideology and policy. However, a single mistake, even a bad one, doesn't mean that he is an enemy of the libertarian movement or a "neocon plant'!
He--and his running mate Wayne Allen Root--strongly encouraged homeschooling and the rights of homeschooling parents and their children to be free of a malignant, corrupt, and degenerate Public School brainwashing apparatus! No other Republican neocon did this during '07 and '08!
I could go on, but I think that I have made my point. Bob Barr's nomination for the Presidency in '08 was ill-considered and premature,but he was--and is--a very good man, and by all evidence, a good libertarian! Maybe running for his old Congressional seat, or perhaps the Governorship, on the LP may be a good idea if he wishes to re-enter public life. He is at least as good, as far as I can see, as Jesse Ventura in '12.
We have to show that we can work with others even when they don't always agree with us on every dotted i and crossed t. If we can't even work with people like Bob Barr or Wayne Allen Root, how will we influence the GOP or elect real Libertarians to State, Congressional or Presdential office? Calling our fellow libertarians or Constiutionalists "neocon plants" is certainly NOT the answer!!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K.Meller.
I'd prefer a more
I'd prefer a more doctrinaire Libertarian as a presidential candidate. Too much fluff and too little message from Ventura. Like others have mentioned, I feel Badnarik would be preferable.
In practical terms I'm a lot more excited about getting Gary Johnson to run for the GOP ticket than about any Libertarian candidate. Or, of course, another run by Paul, but I doubt it's likely. Johnson's record is at least as "libertarian" as Ventura's, and he is a lot harder to caricature by the Obama fawners in most national media. Unless things get really bad over the next couple of years, 2012 will, yet again, be a contest between Democrats and Republicans for the top office.
As to the Libs, I think it could be helpful for America if they chose a genuine, self confessed anarchist as their candidate, as long as he/she was well spoken and great at explaining his views to an audience not already steeped in Rothbard. Anarchy, while demonized, would at least pique enough interest to garner media attention. Getting more Americans to realize political anarchy is very different from the Sex Pistols version, would be a great step forward, even if I highly doubt it would be a huge vote getter.
Until, or unless, it's clear the GOP will choose yet another status quo apologizing, big government stooge as their torch bearer, I'd rather the Libertarians remain pure.
Obviously Paul was & would
Obviously Paul was & would be great for the LP. Badnarik as vp with Paul at the top would be out of the park. Badnarik was the LP candidate for President before too, so both would be experienced.
I like Jesse, but the LP has held pure to the principles for freedom since 1972, (except for Barr and that was a mistake), and Jesse does not go the whole way for freedom. The LP needs to stay hard core libertarian.
Jesse's on record
As being INDEPENDENT and TOTALLY against political parties. He would have to change his mind about that.
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Just think of both Ventura
Just think of both Ventura and Paul were running how great that would be!
I think Ron Paul is too old
I think Ron Paul is too old to run for president, but perfect to run as a VP.
Ventura 2012
Most of us know how poorly
Most of us know how poorly the republican party treated Ron Paul and his supporters in the past. And wasn't there a post a couple of days ago about the GOP in Florida still determined to exclude Ron Paul republicans?
So when I read this post just now an idea came to me. If Ventura were to announce right now that he would be running for President in 2012, imagine the panic the leaders of the GOP would be in. They know that Ron Paul has a large number of supporters and the number is growing daily. And they know that many of the independents voted for Obama out of disgust for Bush and the republican Congress the previous 8 years. They also know that Ventura, despite his faults, is a dynamic figure with plenty of charisma. After Obama, most of these same independents will be fed up with both parties and will be inclined to look at Jesse.
What I'm thinking is, if Ventura announces early on his decision to run, the republicans will be obligated to support a candidate who is libertarian and Constitutionally minded in order to get this large group of voters on their side to win the election.
Works for me.
Badnarik would be my choice.
Badnarik would be my choice. Clear and calm in his defense of freedom and the constitution.
I'd rather him run as an
I'd rather him run as an independent, but if being in the LP can get him ballot access more easily then I will support it. Regardless, he'd get my vote.
Ventura 2012
I would support it 100%
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Yes I agree 100%
Ron Paul is my President.
Ron Paul is my President.
Jesse runs as an Indy in 2012?
I'm in.
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If Jesse Is Up For It -
i would support that ..... this is an old post - worth revisiting -
thanks for posting that here on DP
all things Ron Paul and related -
and what is related is the Philosophy of Liberty and Peace .....
glad you posted that here - very related!