Here's a Nazi Cop getting what he deserves [updated - edited]
Let's try this again. I'm not saying this cop is a "Nazi" -- The title is of the same level of intensity as other posts where they mean the term "nazi" -- Where they lambast cops / military -- This is hypocritical because last year we were all very proud how Ron Paul was getting far more support from Military and Law Enforcement than anyother candidate.
We had 17 cops on here (last year) that were friends and they all left -- owing to this growing hysteria and collectivist posting.
Would you say: 1 bad black man = 14,000,000 bad black men? Of course not. That would be collectivistic.
Just go back over the threads -- over the last few months and you'll see what I'm talking about -- then look at the hundreds of posts below each -- the language is identical - sterotypical -- it sounds ignorant and poorly reflects on our entire community.
There is a video below of a cop getting shot in the face by a suspect. You don't see blood or a wound -- it's blurry and the cop lives -- he's on the video fully healed with no severe scars.
I'm posting this because there are many folks here on DP who keep posting negative cop videos (again and again) -- They do it because it brings attention to their hysteria -- Their hysteria is we are living in a Nazi-Like Police State.
For those of us who've studied the Nazis we know we are not living in ANYTHING like a Nazi like police state.
We are living in a Fascist Economic State (but even in terms of economics it's nothing near as bad as Hitler's Germany).
I post in this fashion because they NEVER post anything positive and they MISREPRESENT Ron Paul and ignore the posting guidlines.
Ron Paul is a Free-Market Individualist
The non-stop railing against Cops is beyond absurd -- It is collectivistic -- These folks never give a solution -- It is distracting to the original stated goals of the site.
I feel if it is free for them to do this then it is free for me to comment in like fashion. Many have taken up the fight against welfarist-collectivistic commentary -- I thank you for that.
People post like this because they do not really understand liberty -- they are abdicators and rant until Big Gov't comes and changes things -- that's why their posts never offer solutions -- only flaming.
It's fuzzy but clear what happens -- Be warned (know that he's okay)
----There are far more Cop Heroes than there are "Nazi" Cops
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X14ID3zybSk
Octobox
total bull
out of all the stops by the police I'd say 20% of them officers treated me with respect. The others if they weren't violent or insulting they surely were on some sort of power trips.
what i get a kick out of is
what i get a kick out of is when cops pull someone over, the suspect goes berzerk and rants and raves, and the cop just stands there, without losing his cool, then says "have a nice day, sir!"
You have a contract with the Police Department Octobox?
That is a surprise.
I have also noticed a change in attitude towards both cops and soldiers on The Daily Paul. I attribute this to two things:
1. Some people claiming to be serving Police or Military have displayed some rather "unlibertarian attitudes" on The DP. I didn't say "all", I said "some".
2. There is a strong anarchist element on the Daily Paul. Hardly surprising given that many economic libertarians are also anarchists. Murray Rothbard's "Ethics of Liberty" would be the classic manifesto where the state is seen as nothing more than a criminal gang.
Personally I am not "anti-state" or "anti-police" in all situations. However, the complaint I hear constantly from people outside libertarian circles is that the police are only interested in the "easy collar".
They are not interested in pursuing real criminals. They love to bust essentially harmless people for basically victimless "crimes". My own experience definitely bears this out. This seems to be the theme of the last 20 years or so.
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
Brit4: Your use of the word "they" is kind of far reaching
900K cops
1) Meter Maids -- are they the culprits?
2) Administration -- are they the culprits?
3) Dispatchers -- are they the culprits?
4) Homicide Investigators -- are they the culprits?
5) Theft Investigators -- are they the culprits?
6) Internal Affairs -- are they the culprits?
7) SWAT -- are they the culprits?
8) Gang Task Force -- are they the culprits?
9) CSI -- are they the culprits?
10) Accident Investigators -- are they the culprits?
11) Rape and Kindapping Investigators -- are they the culprits?
12) Search and Rescue -- are they the culprits?
I mean which division are the "evil cops" in and when you point them out can you tell me how many and what's their crime -- please cite sources.
My goal with these posts are to end overt speculation and generalization.
Ron Paul was very proud of the support he got from Cops and Military.
Octobox
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Brit4Paul: Interesting summations
Where did you get the idea that I'm contracted with the Police -- I contract with non-police agencies to train officers in non-lethal defensive tactics and conscious-sleep.
There are people contracted to make the boots they wear too, I'm not sure where you are going -- but you posted that comment for a reason.
"they love to bust essentially harmless people....?"
Really? -- In predominance they bust harmless folks?
Drunk Drivers -- harmless?
Rapist -- harmless?
Kidnappers -- harmless?
High Speed Chases (joy rides) -- harmless?
Murderers -- harmless?
Sure -- I do agree with you 100% as do most the cops I've ever trained (1000's of them) -- We must repeal the drug laws.
I'm glad you are not anti-cop -- as a generalist/collectivist view.
But, you do generalize a bit. "they are not interested in pursuing real criminals?"
MS13 is not an innocent gang -- you must murder to join and to get your stripes you must kill innocence.
I grew up near East Los Angeles -- I've seen many murders - I saved a mans life twice (as a child). I never once saw a cop execute a toddler.
Where we lived a father (who was high on PCP) when the DEA came -- killed his daughter (1 years old) and stuffed 1/2lb of PCP into her abdomin to hide it -- then laid her in the crib and acted like she was asleep.
"this seems to be the theme for the last 20 years" -- Can you post your sources -- where do you get these facts from?
Octobox
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
You have NAILED IT...
These post are not really about the violence per se but about the zelous enFORCEment of immoral laws.
Quite Frankly, with so many immoral laws such as the war on sick people , nature , and humanity visa vi the war on cannabis it makes it very difficult for their to be moral cops. Or makes it much more likely that a person with a high sense of Justice and Morality would chose not to have a job where they are forced to enFORCE immoral laws. So marijuana laws tend to discourage those with a high sense of morality and respect for human beings, life and liberty to join the force.
Also, it really depends on if it is STATE Police or Local Police and What STATE...
States with no medical marijuana laws and in the South are very bad. Local cops in States with Medical Marijuana laws are GREAT public servants and a real asset to the community.
Did anyone watch Anderson Cooper last night about the Texas DPS Robbing People. How many people have been pulled over here on the DP and searched for no reason?
I was pulled over for signaling left to merge left and kept on the side of the road in 100 degree heat for 45 minutes and I never got the car back together after that. The deputy ripped out my seat in his unholy quest.
My daughter was pulled over and searched for not having a nice car. The officer said he pulled her over because her car looked like a "crack users car."
I now refuse to go into the State.
Why are all these abuses encouraged and allowed?
It is started and is justified by the war on cannabis.
The REAL evil is the people making the laws... Zero tolerance, minimum sentencing. Zero tolerance = zero common sense.
It violates the very spirit of the law with the law. It is an abomination as are the people who support such laws.."Give a prophet a glass of water and share in his reward."
These things keep a lot of good people out of the force and basically ensure a higher than acceptable percentage of control freaks who enjoy power, punishment and self righteous indignation and feelings of superiority.
What I am telling you is 99.99% of the problems with police and a significant portion of the publics perception of the police goes away with the decriminalization of marijuana.
LEAP is not good enough. They are retired. When entire police forces just flat out refuse to enFORCE these laws then that will say something.
50% of the public AGREES the war on Cannabis is IMMORAL and WRONG. It logically follows that those who enforce immoral laws are immoral.
Would people excuse a brown shirt for hauling a "undesirable" to a Nazi death camp as not immoral because he was "just doing his job?" NO.. They would not. Same logic here for a significant portion of the population. This is a ideological war that can NOT be won with the present laws, PERIOD.
The war on cannabis is just a 100 year mini sanitary holocaust. And unfortunately the self righteous goodie two shoes moral majority are voting in Hitler to enFORCE their "zero tolerance" "Final Solution" against the "undesirables"; the cops are caught as the scapegoats and take the brunt of the anger.
It is very unfortunate that what is a nobel profession has been compromised by ignorance in society and the elite as enFORCErs for the pharmicutical industry.
http://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=491
ThewayofPeace: You are 100% Correct
Cops must enforce immoral laws -- Created by We the Abdicators or our elected officials.
1 bad cop = 1 fired cop -- I agree with that100%
Obviously; 1 bad white man (does not equal) all white men are bad. Nor half.
1 good cop (does not equal) 900K good cops either.
Are you making the Individualist argument or the Collectivist argument?
I wish you were more clear and less verbiose; hahahaha.
Octobox
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
As long as the government owns property ....
There will be a need for police officers.
If you want to make a difference ...
Buy the roads you drive on and police them yourself.
I get the point Octobox and I do not disagree with your approach. I am glad that you clarified things a bit.
Having said that ...
I would have either done it differently or not at all.
Just my two cents.
WAHOR!!
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WAHOR!!
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Oklahoma cop pulls over
ambulance taking a sick woman to hospital. Arrests driver for not worshiping the police. Lick boot slave, the cops are your masters. All obey the police.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gApNufXRts&feature=channel_page
Hmmmm
Not the right way to make a point, IMO. Keep in mind that new people visit the site everyday.
RMCC - The title is un-fortunate
I did edit this post -- the only thing that's "harsh" is the video (which has plenty of warnings) and the title.
I hope you are not too offended -- read my other posts on this topic and you will see where I'm coming from.
Octobox
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
blame the jerks that make
blame the jerks that make the laws, not the poor bastard who gets stuck enforcing them.
no one is forcing them...
they are all willing players in a racket that specializes in extortion, coersion and control through violent force and fear (operating under color of law under the guise of 'public safety'), those who quit because they can no longer stand what they do can be considered redeemed but otherwise... (if it looks like a nazi, acts like a nazi, thinks like a nazi...)
you got two kids and a wife
you got two kids and a wife at home, and the only decent job you have is cop. now do you let your kids starve, or do you obey your orders and taser the guy who ran the red light and keep your job?
what's next?
shoot the guy that won't disperse with a rubber bullet, hit the girl with a baton...shoot them in the back...where will you draw the line, sir?
O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!
its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
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it isn't my line to draw. i
it isn't my line to draw.
i drew my line at the borders of singapore.
open up a newspaper...
and turn to the "jobs" section of the classified ads, there are other ways to make a living... even for dumb people...
i open the jobs section of
i open the jobs section of my newspaper all the time. most of the ads are mine!
OTOH, i can't give everybody a job.. at least, not yet!
one thing we can probly agree on...
it's sad that they turned an honorable profession into what it is now, and turned those who are supposed to protect our rights and property against us (the ol' divide & conquer bit)...
that, my dear friend, is the
that, my dear friend, is the fault of the ruthless greedy bastards who make the laws, and even more so the fault of the mindless sheep who elect them!
quite a few of the cops in my town are hellishly nice guys, and they have less than admiration for the government... except when they win on scratch offs.
:o
LMAO
Actions speak volumes
MY only bad reflection is that too often policemen try to serve the community by becomming a servant of the people who claim title to the community which becomes ONLY an entity unto itself & does not serve the general public as it is intended..AND yes I have Christian friends who are policemen.
you-no
I'm glad you edited this.
Some people have trouble picking up on sarcasm. Another thing is if I was a cop and saw the title I wouldn't bother reading this because I would think it was bashing cops. It may even make me want to leave the site. Sometimes sarcasm backfires. It seems the thread has provided much discussion which is good. I think the whole good cop bad cop thing is like the abortion issue kinda waste of time. Things are going to get progressively worse and people are going to be on their own. No one is going to come and save us and no one will trust anyone. Elite must be proud of themselves. The slaves all turning on each other, pretty funny, not!
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If you teach someone to be
If you teach someone to be stupid, they'll be stupid.
I very much doubt that there are more "good cops" then "bad cops" because not one single cop understands Natural Rights.
Also, I think you are severely underestimating the number of people who have been brutalized by police.
We need to defund these hundred million dollar police budgets, stop militarizing the police and teach these public servants about the Natural Law.
Wait until the 'hysteria' hits closer to home for you sir, and perhaps then you will understand that we are living in a violent police state.
Ryan: I agree with you 100% - On this
De-fang the "bad cops" by eliminating the welfare check.
Let them work in the private markets.
De-Fang the DEA by repealing all drug laws.
Problem solved.
Cops (wrongful homicide) 8 people per year
Civilian (wrongful homicide) 16,000 people per year
Cops Assault (wrongful) 50 people per year
Civilian Assault (wrongful) 2,500,000 per year
Those stats are agreed upon by ACLU and NAACP -- they come from Nation Master -- Look 'em up.
I consider a cop to be good if he does not harm someone (willfully / wrongfully) -- If he harms someone in the defense of liberty (their own or someone elses) then it is righteous. That's how liberty works. There's no such thing as a non-violent society.
Society is made abnormally violent by Horrible Vice Policies -- That can only happen if we move from "We the People" to "We the Abdicators"
Octobox
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great and divisive thread, octocop
you're doing a great job here
O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!
its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
Ecorob: It is divisive to challenge status quo
It was cool to hate the cops in the 80's -- Because it was punk-rock.
But "hating" didn't work then -- It's lazy (don't you think)
I like solutions.
Go search for my thread -- From just yesterday (maybe day before) where I gave a solution and because the title wasn't fiery it was completely ignored.
"Money Baton (for victims of police brutalization)"
The collectivist shunned it like battery acid on a cut.
I work with cops -- I'm not a cop -- But thanks for the name calling -- That's the 2nd root of a collectivist to "typecast" - it makes things easier. Less sticky debates.
Octobox
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
If you haven't noticed Ecorb
Is a troll. It posted 3 unsubstantial posts in mere seconds. It just wants to fight. Hell it attacked me once already. Now its attacking you. I told you the mob is fickle. Anything against their view is attacked with a vengeance.
hehehehe...you make me laugh!
a troll? no, i just don't like you and your "everything in government is fine" attitude...everything is NOT fine and if it takes me to call you on that then so be it!
yes, you and i have had words before and you know damn well what i stand for...wanna go ahead and tell the folks what we argued about?...that's what i thought, you don't want to reopen that can of words do you, private?
it damn sure wasn't because i was called a troll..that is just your defense mechanism for being wrong...
O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!
its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
everything is fine...
nothing to see here, just move along
O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!
its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!