Advice: Taking my kid to the dentist for the first time, fluoride?

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Hey Everyone. I have been debating on this for a while. I won't give him the fluoride drops they prescribed a few years ago, but is the dentist treatment just as bad? You don't ingest it so I was wondering if you all had thoughts on this. Thanks.

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Here is a 5 minute video

Here is a 5 minute video that is very informative, from a dentist named Bill Osmundson. Although he is primarily addressing public water fluoridation the info is pertinent to your question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ys9q1cvKGk

As a dental hygienist I take a more moderate approach for "the average American diet consuming person" If you were determined to eat as Oruval mentioned below with the addition of fermented cod liver oil daily and good oral hygiene I would say fluoride in any form is not necessary. I do not condone or agree with public water fluoridation. I do not like the "sticky fluoride varnish" because it is 5% solution that gets completely swallowed after it's applied to the teeth. The acidulated foam fluoride is left on the teeth for 1 minute and is 1.23% and is mostly spit out. The thing I did with my daughter was have her brush with a fluoride gel (after 6 yrs old when she knew how to properly spit out the gel), this is usually .4% and used even 1x a week will give you better protection than the office visit. The comments below about the fluoride not making money for the DDS is absolutely incorrect. My employer charges $37per application.They make big money off this since the assistant or hygienist does the procedure and fluoride is cheap. if you have no insurance coverage it's not worth it. If that is your situation and your kid is susceptible to decay, I'd use xylitol gum or mints and help brush their teeth with them until they're 6 or so. If they know how to spit then I suggest the parent brush on the gel and have them spit it out well until you are sure they will not swallow it. this is really a mini-version of how I mentor those who have kids but since I don't have a history of your child's teeth this is my best generic advice. Good luck!

Just tell the dentist no

Just tell the dentist no fluoride treatments period! Don't be weak you might get some rolling of eyes or even a semi snide comment. Just stick to your guns. If they give you a really hard time about it find another dentist.

My dentist used to give me that look when ever it came up now he asks for advice on gold silver and guns since all my predictions came true and he lost his ass in the stock market... ;-)

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I will say that over the

I will say that over the last 15 years I have been doing this there have been more parents saying no to fluoride so dentists move on to other things. They really want to do crowns anyway so they look for old fillings that can be crowned. That's where all the money is. : )

Fluoride is great.

Unless you take it internally.

Dentist treatments are highly recommended. Rinse well.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Ck out this info/LINK

http://www.greaterthings.com/Lexicon/F/Fluoride.htm

First of all, it needs to be stated that the 'substance' referred to as 'Fluoride' is a misnomer - there is no such substance listed in the periodic chart of the elements, nor in the prestigious CRC handbook, nor in the sacred 'bible' of the pharmaceutical industry - the illustrious 'Merck Index'.

Instead, we find a GAS called Fluorine - and from the use of this gas in various industries such as aluminum manufacturing and the nuclear industry -certain toxic byproducts are created which have 'captured' fluorine molecules. One such toxic, poisonous 'byproduct' is called sodium Fluoride - which according to the Merck Index is primarily used as rat and cockroach poison and is also the

active ingredient in most toothpastes and as an "additive to drinking water".

But sadly, there is much more to this sordid tale.

…Independent scientific evidence over the past 50 plus years has shown that sodium fluoride shortens our life span, promotes various cancers and mental disturbances, and most importantly, makes humans stupid, docile, and subservient, all in one neat little package. There is increasing evidence that aluminum in the brain is a causative factor in Alzheimer's Disease, and evidence points towards sodium fluoride's strong affinity to 'bond' with this dangerous aluminum (remember it is a byproduct of aluminum manufacturing) and also it has the ability to 'trick' the blood-brain barrier by imitating the hydrogen ion thus allowing this chemical access to brain tissue.

It Helps

I had those awful treatments as a kid, they did them at school. Now I'm close to 45 and the only dental problems I've ever had is when I was on prescription meds that caused dry mouth, then I had some issues that cost me one tooth and a crown. But besides that never even had a filling and my dentist says my teeth will last as long as I do. So I do believe it helps and glad I had them, but I won't drink tap water if I can avoid it.

The original "research" data came out of........

I believe, one of the New England states in the 1940's. Financed by one of the premier aluminum manufacturers at the time (Alcoa?), the problem of what to do with and/or where to store (long-term) the byproducts (i.e. fluoride) of aluminum production needed to be addressed. Resolution / Conclusion: TOOTHPASTE.

One more thing

The fluoride my parents use now is a sticky substance that they paint onto your teeth. I think this is pretty standard. It creates a thin layer of protection over the teeth. But go ahead and ask your dentist. Dentist are not required to give fluoride to patients by law and only do so bc it is safe and effective. If the gov was trying to dumb down our population thru fluoride, don't you think it would be required?

Brad

"If the gov was trying to

"If the gov was trying to dumb down our population thru fluoride, don't you think it would be required?"

Like in the drinking water?

That is what they did to my kids....

They actually gave me a flyer talking about how they don't recommend the other type of fluoride treatment until child is at least six.

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Modern dentists

are NOW learning to use resin in the fillings instead of the amalgams which give off a constant stream of poison.

Did you ever watch the "smoking tooth" video. Amalgams in teeth which were pulled over 10 years ago - when they rub the filling - you can see the poison released. I'll see if I can find it.

Entirely different subject matter

Mercury amalgam fillings and related mercury vapor production

YES - but

since he was talking about the dentist, I thought I would provide additional information.

People pay thousands of dollars to have their old mercury fillings removed as it has been PROVEN to contribute to health problems.

Why start?????

Most dentists here in my

Most dentists here in my area use composites exclusively I have temped in some offices that do amalgams if people don't want to pay the extra money for composites but they are rare dentists.

I think the flouride scare is BS

Both my parents are Ron Paul supporters and dentist and are for fluoride use. It dramatically decreases cavity rates in children and is perfectly save in proper amounts. Believe me, dentists would make a lot more money if they didn't give out flouride treatments.

Brad

You should also ask the expert in the field,

the dentist, and see the what he can tell you about the toxicity of fluoride is.

Where is the love?

You will get

different answeres - many are still not informed and only believe the drug rep, who is TRAINED by the drug companies.

This believe is so deep most will not believe the truth - Ron Paul supporters or not had nothing to do with this belief.

Not only is it just

as bad, it's unnecessary. There are other threads here talking about the use of fluoride.

It's bad in your toothpaste too. Find a brand w/o it. Kids who come from homes with well water or spring water, are offered fluoride tablets at school!!!! no - nO - NO!!!

Remember those how have heart problems carry a pill to put under their tongue? Because everything put in your mouth goes directly into your blood stream.

If you take a liquid vitamin and hold it in your mouth for a minute, the absorption is much quicker.

No!

The floride they use in the plates that they put in your kids mouth is highly concentrated. Your mouth is very vascular. Anything under the toungue is absorbed very quickly into bloodstream. Those plates sit in the mouth for a while. Do not give the floride treatment. Just supervise his brushing. Stay away from the sealants too. They cause cavities. I'll explain in a later post about the sealants.
Peggy

Its bad for the kid

But you face a different problem if you say no...You face the fact that the dentist might call Child Protective Services on you...Im not kidding...was reading about a lady in OK or Tx..last month..she refused fluoride for her kids on a Tuesday...on Thursday CPS was banging at her door..on Friday they where back with cops..but no warrants..she still hadnt let them in...I havent heard anything else..so no idea how it turned out.

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Are you serious?

Please, if there is a news link or blog on this, post it. I have to tell my wife this. Thanks.

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

-Alexis de Tocqueville

I didn't even have a choice...

I had told the hygienist I had questions about the fluoride treatment and she said it would be best to speak with the doctor. The kicker is she put the application on my kids' teeth without asking or telling me after we had just a conversation about it a few minutes earlier. Ugh.

I tend to agree with the folks that say its not being ingested so it shouldn't be too harmful. They prescribed him fluoride drops a few years ago when he was born and we never used them. Everyone worries about protecting your kid from the weirdo in the park, but this is an even more dangerous threat. I'm trying to be an informed parent, but they don't make it easy. Thanks for the advice everyone.

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

-Alexis de Tocqueville

The dentists

either don't know or just use it for making money. Either way, it is very irresponsible.

They are like other doctors, the believe the sales pitch made by the drug reps who make thousands in bonuses when you prescribe their drug.

YOU DO HAVE A CHOICE and JUST SAY NO!

Same with vaccines. If you don't know about fluoride, I'm sure you don't know about the dozens of vaccines they give our children which are being proven, over and over, to be poison.

I've studied this extensively.

All fluoride is not the same. Toothpastes usually have sodium fluoride or calcium fluoride, which are naturally occurring chemicals that can strengthen tooth enamel. The fluoride they put in public drinking water is not one of the naturally occurring forms of fluoride, but rather hexafluorosilicic acid -- a byproduct of industrial fertilizer and aluminum production. This form of fluoride is highly toxic and is regulated by the EPA as an environmental toxin. Remember Sesame Street? One of these things is not like the other.

The dentist will want to do a fluoride treatment with the good type of fluoride. But when I was given these treatments as a child, they always made me incredibly nauseous. I think the dosage of these treatments is too high and I wouldn't give them to my children, although I would have them brush with a fluoride toothpaste.

I did not know that

It reminded me of way back in the 70s when LSD became illegal because the papers reported that Intel feared hippies would put LSD in the drinking water...

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Could you

please give a link to info which notes fluoride in toothpaste is "natural" as opposed to the poison they put in the drinking water?

What about the fluoride pills they give kids who have PURE water, like well and spring water?

kids

You need fluoride systemically when you're developing.

Systemic fluoride doesn't help adults since they're teeth are already full developing. Adults only benefit from topical fluoride.

So yes kids need systemic fluoride.

If you grow up in the country, you put fluoride drops in to make sure your kids get some in your well. If you live in the country without kids, then don't bother since that won't help.

Believe me

I'm as skeptical as it comes to medical treatments, but the fluoride treatment applied directly to the teeth is not only beneficial, it's delicious! They make it in several flavors. Like you said, he won't be ingesting it, at least in any significant quantities.