Torture issue is a distraction

However, what would you say about water boarding as an isolated issue.
It is torture, and it should not be done.
Coercion, lies, infiltration are all allowed, I believe, i.e. Mission Impossible stuff.

as with any other topic reaching headlines, very well possible that it is a distraction albeit a very serious issue that should not be ignored.

(btw I doubt very much waterboarding is the only form of torture being used, nor that only 3 prisoners were subjected to this)

However, by focusing on all the different issues, be they check points at the different high ways, chemtrails, vaccines, innocents being tasered ... a lot of energy is redirected and we tend to lose track of the broad picture of where the world is heading at the hands of those who are currently in charge of this planet. They have taken charge of this world with plans we learn more about every day.

The issue of gun control is slowly gaining momentum and I have a link to the documentary 'Innocents Betrayed' which portrays the horrors many countries have already endured. Gun control is 'sold' by the government to make you citizens safe but we know that is not the case. It is part of all the other issues we see (check points, tightening laws, losing liberties etc etc). The documentary gives the full horror of what is in stall and as I see it, gun control is the last hurdle for them to go ahead with their evil plans.

This is link to the 55 minute documentary about the gun control history in the 20th Century and its consequences, all planned.
No full length version on google but here is a torrent download.

http://www.mininova.org/tor/2303042

I should add that this doco is not for the fainthearted.

Weren't these types of confessions used to justify war with Iraq? (waterboarding wasn't the only form of torture used, with the other forms used on way more than 3 people).
Illegal, premeditated, preemptive war, genocide and the deaths of nearly 1 million troops/civilians is what we should be pursuing.

That's my first question.

I have a feeling a great deal remains to be uncovered--assuming Obama will permit that to occur.

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I have often found that when Washington wants to accomplish something that they know the citizens will not like they create a distraction, and it could well be that all the news coverage that is happening now with the waterboarding is just that...... it is a distraction. Not that any of us approve of torture but the officials have known about it for some time but have chosen this time to bring constant national attention to it. So it could well be a distraction for something else they are hoping to do without our interferences.

Should always be the top headlines. For every one man tortured, there are many thousands killed and millions enslaved or oppressed.

And the emphasis is always on waterboarding, not the raping of children...isn't that peculiar? I mean, whatever fools out there are "supporting" torture would shut up fast if they knew about what was done to children. The debate would disappear.

People are being told a little bit, and most are outraged about that, but it's the very tip of the iceberg. And the constant media focus on the TIP of the iceberg prevents a broader perspective.

Which is intentional. We are being starved of the information we really need to know, in order to fight the problems. As GI Joe said, "Knowing is half the battle."

So I agree with you- the excessive attention on torture is actually part of the problem of ignorance that allows, and ultimately gives rise to, such abuses. If people were more thorough in their research, they would be protesting in the streets all the time.

But Ventura, is also bringing light to the mainstream about the Sept. 11 event, oh, you say, another distraction. Is this what it's really about, Jesse Ventura, Ventura being a distraction, a side-issue? Don't let me insult you, I understand about direct verses indirect, at this point it may be my biggest argument of life. You can ignore the Jesse Ventura statement, I'm not his biggest fan, tip your hat to Ventura for bringing to light deep-ugly government corruption, whats wrong with that?

It is a looong slow process if "taking-back the Country", "restoring the Constitution" is your direct answer for freedom-liberty lost, most people aren't that patience. We are talking about years-upon-years if you're going do it the "peace-route", absolutely nothing wrong with peace, even so.

These so-called side issues give certain individuals something real to do with their lives, so, how is that a waste. Their not unconstitutional!

And, these so-called side-issues act as the Chinese torture test of ole, where they would drip water on a person's forehead and eventually a person would go insane. I say let the bastards go insane that would have us in bonds.
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In actuality, if a person doesn't know how the Constitution is being trampled upon, how could they understand that it needs to be restored?

Knowing and understanding what you know, are not the same thing.

whatever "shaq"

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We have 50,000 adults go missing each year in the USA, that is not counting children. Do you KNOW for a fact that none of them have been kidnapped and tortured? If you are using the media or government as fact-finders, you really need to rethink your position. All we have is the governments word that these people did anything wrong. We cannot believe anything the government tells us. This whole torture issue is to get a bunch of idiots to disregard the rule of law, but if you say it is okay to torture ANY human being for whatever reason, then you are saying it is okay to torture ALL humans for no reason. No, most torture victims are not fine, where did you hear this? Again, all your information comes directly from the propaganda machine. Please think before you post.

There are many distractions, I agree with you about that. And you might be right that the torture issue being big in the media right now could be distracting us all from something else.

Torture is still torture, though, despite the issue possibly being used as a distraction.

Firstly because it subverts Constitutional law which can then be used on anyone around the globe including Americans. Second, because it sets a bad precedent and lowers the image of Americans to the rest of the world. How can we claim we are interested in securing freedom in the rest of the world when we don't even have it here in our own policies. Third, many of us are interested in criminal prosecution of the perpetrators of such crimes and obviously it will take public pressure to make that happen.

As this govt. thinks it can torture people anytime and any way it wants and that it uses torture as policy tells all about what kind of govt. we have. It designedly captured and tortured people directly or through proxies lets you know it has no intentions of changing what it does.

That it was done to only 3 people is doubtful. If they'll cut a man penis 20 times then water boarding 300 people would be nothing to them.

A war based on a conspiracy and a lie has led to the inhuman degradation of people.

agree! When something like this dominates the news, it's merely a distraction from the REAL news, which our old media ignores because they get their talking points from the fascist govt and corporatists.

Anything to keep us from finding out about the latest and greatest evil.