cop psychology
Submitted by kwas on Mon, 05/25/2009 - 07:38
The unabomber said this about leftists but I feel it equally applies to cops and soldiers.
" His feelings
of inferiority are so ingrained that he cannot conceive of himself as
individually strong and valuable. Hence the collectivism of the
leftist. He can feel strong only as a member of a large organization
or a mass movement with which he identifies himself."
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The problem is most cops (of
The problem is most cops (of course they are being directed by their management) is they "Shake down" the public at large. Their main directive of "Protecting & Serving" is no longer applicable. This is in large part that the Cops daily duties is to collect REVENUE for the local municipalities. This needs to stop and they need to get back to their roots and start protecting and serving.
I would wager a guess that most cops would agree and would love to stop pulling people over and harassing them for registration or failure to come to a complete stop.
Take the revenue generation out of the police force and you'll see a big drop in abusive shake downs. Of course we would only need a fraction of the cops too.
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Your State encourages the revenue collection
All states actually.
The states and the municipalities split the proceeds.
Get the states to stop giving out grants to the local police forces and they'll stop the nonsense.
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"The consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of the ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it."
- Robert E. Lee, 1866
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RON PAUL 2012
Yeah, I realize the states,
Yeah, I realize the states, counties & municipalities direct the revenue collection. I see this as the root of the problem.
This could be directed from the state legislatures & city councils. Maybe that is the next place for RP activism.
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I think John said it best
“Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the comprehension of the weak, and that it is doing God’s service when it is violating all His laws.”- John Adams
Even a stopped clock...
Kaczinsky was a violent nutcase, but what he says above about leftists is true. It's ALSO true about many more people than leftists. Anyone who espouses a belief that a collective is more important than the individual, and that it's OK to destroy an individual for the supposed benefit of the collective is precisely the same kind of misanthrope, whether they're pinkos, nazis, wahabbi head-choppers, or abortion clinic bombers.
-jcr
"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel
Kwas: Cops must take up the Dark-Side (at times)
There not lopping off heads.
However, the darkside begins at the suspension of liberty.
There are times when this is necessary.
Like a person who is drunk-driving -- Either they lose their rights or I might lose my life.
Once you start down that path of rationality (which they must) it is very dfficult to lay it down.
Greatest post re-tirment suicides come from cops -- I think in part the above (lay down authority) is one of the greatest causes -- that and the commraderie ends immediately.
This is why I teach my program -- so they can adjust (turn it on and turn it off).
Remember most cops are good (by sheer statistics) -- Most cops are not in a position to abuse authority.
There are 900K cops but their job duties differ dynamically.
Meter Maids
Administration
SWAT
Gang Task Force
Accident Investigation
CSI and Homicide
Kidnap and Rape Investigation
Rescue and Fire (police)
Theft Investigation
Patrol
Traffic
Drug Enforcement Unit
I mean most of those cops you'd never meet -- Only patrol really.
You'll never see an abusive "Meter Maid" video -- Well I don't know I think people are the crankiest when it comes to their cars -- Cars represent freedom in a lot of ways.
You'll never have a problem with CSI or Homicide -- Nor will you have problem with Theft Investigators or Kidnap and Rape Investigators.
It's main going to be patrol or in DP's case maybe Riot Cops (during protests). Those are the sheepdogs.
If you search Youtube you will only find maybe 100 at most unique bad cop videos and they span over 10 years.
I'm just saying let's not lambast 900K cops for the actions of even 1000 let alone 100. My point is made and is too rational to be argued.
1 bad cop = 1 fired cop -- I'm with you 100% Help me out! Get rid of them!
Octobox
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
abusive meter maids? wait a
abusive meter maids? wait a minute buddy, you haven't seen those goddamn traffic cops in manhattan!
they don't even give you a chance to buy your ticket at the muni meters before the fat useless loud mouthed b**** comes down and writes you a parking ticket!
the statue of liberty should be moved to texas. it isn't appropriate to keep a monument to freedom in the most oppressive part of the country.
I really like...
what you said:
"the statue of liberty should be moved to texas. it isn't appropriate to keep a monument to freedom in the most oppressive part of the country."
Ubi libertas habitat, ibi nostra patria est.
Translation: Where Liberty dwells, there is our country.
How many law enforcement officers stood up
and refused to take part in the blatently illegal siezure of virtually a whole villages population of children in Texas last year? If there was any question in my mind about whether the "good" cops would ever assist us when it becomes time to really resist my questions were answered then.
If not us than who?
I find a problem with law enforcement
is that they feel powerless rather than too powerful. They arrest someone, do all the paperwork to get them in jail and then a "liberal" judge lets them go back out on the street immediately. They get frustrated that nothing they do sticks and their judgment has been ignored. Then a few days later, they are arresting the same person again and sometimes for much worse.
If we would stop arresting people who are not hurting anyone but themselves, the court system might not be so lenient and get it wrong so often. Maybe. Like arresting for drugs and nothing else. Or arresting for seatbelts. Or arresting for rudeness and imagined obstruction of justice. Sometimes a cop declares obstruction of justice when the only thing that was obstructed was his own ability to stay on task.
I have asked an officer a genuine law question in order to learn and know what is right and wrong and he has gotten instantly insulted that such a question would be asked, assuming wrongly that I had a preconceived opinion. Stated that he found the question ludicrous. I was asking a point of law and there was absolutely NO reason for him to assume I was against the cop point of view.
Another time, he made the comment that the New Orleans people who would not leave their homes during the storm should have been arrested. I am quite certain that is not a question that has gone without discussion among his peers. That is the wrong point of view. The people were fine until the levies broke. Did they all realize they were below the levies?
knock it off
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that sounds a bit like...
an order.... are you an authoritarian? Are you unable to debate rationally? Are you a ... COP??? :-)
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You do not seek healthy discussion. You seek a fight.
I think my comments on police brutality threads show where I stand on the subject of abuse of authority.
I am very much against it.
But I'm not going to jump on your bandwagon and lump all cops, or anyone else, into one category... like the title of this thread and some of your other comments seek to.
P.S. For what it's worth, regarding a comment you made on another thread about the collecting of blood and saliva at checkpoints, I do share your suspicion that it is being done for the building of a DNA database.
Now _that_ was funny.
heh heh heh
Octobox!
Where are you octobox?
Jeez, kwas, don't you have anything better to do? Have some compassion. Some of those guys are pathological - most are just insecure - just like the rest of everyone else, save a few.
Learn the law, and be true to yourself.
I understand your post, where you are coming from, but do you really think it is appropriate to express it like this? For instance, I just gave you a very simple argument which identifies the under-lying issue: insecurity.
If you want to rail on me for saying this, I'd say you are the one that's as insecure as any of them. There is no need for this.
I live in Philly - and I know first hand of the corruption, partly from a former detective who lost his marriage over being a cop, he hated the corruption. I lived in Pittsburgh, next door to a cop who was a great guy - again he let me know of the corruption and hated it.
I got pulled over a couple months ago for going through a "yellow" light. Didn't have my license on me, my registration, or my insurance. My reg and inspection were just over a month past-due. And to top it off my little girls who "statutorily" should have been in car seats but they were just being good watching a movie in the back seat, I don't even think they had seatbelts on. I have a Ron Paul sticker on the bumper. The guy gave me the red light ticket and that was it.
We want those guys on our side, man, and they are out there. Chill out.
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I suppose it's fair...
... to be a little more explicit.
You talk about insecurity. That is *precisely* the point Ted is making in that passage. Insecure people have a "will to power" just like anyone else. Except that they have no hope of realizing that will personally. So they seek to experience it by association.
This is what makes cops and armed forces extremely dangerous and always aligned with power, no matter what the cruelty they are told to inflict.
That, and the fact that their "application of the law" (whatever the law may be) is their "surrogate activity" and performing that is more important to them than your freedom.
I do not deny feeling insecure about a bunch of things. But I feel secure in my morality and in my opinions. I don't feel the need to stupidly obey the wicked orders of the psychopathic elite in order to be on the strong side. I don't beat people up. I don't spray flower girls with pepper spray. I don't assault 15 year old girls and I don't shock people with 20,000 volts repeatedly when they're on the ground. I am not a tool of the ring. And neither are you, I suppose. But the overwhelming majority of people who wear a uniform ARE tools of the ring, for whatever reason or excuse. So I feel contempt for them, and contempt is to the mind what hatred is to the heart.
Full version where he talks about the surrogate activity and a lot more: http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt
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I got you kwas.
I guess my main point is that you have to take everything, each situation, each person, independently.
I agree with you, that most of these guys in uniforms have some issues, but I don't even think that "most" are inherently ugly and corrupt. Many are just like the civilian population - they let things happen, they can be passive aggressive. Just like civilians in the cities, on the roads, at work, in the stores. . .
Me personally, though, I mentioned three good examples in my life of cops that I have no doubt were basically good guys - and me personally, I've found my in-laws much harder to deal with than any encounter I ever had with a cop. And my in-laws, I would say, have never tased me but they have caused me and my wife and kids some harm more than a cop ever did, and of course all out of "love."
Everyone wants to feel right - this is where our insecurities show. But I, for one, try to examine myself for these things. To attain internal "secure feeling" while at the same time being "lost" in an ocean, which in reality we all are.
I know where you're coming from - I'm just looking at it from a different perspective and trying to share it with you. Thanks for your feedback.