Late term abortion doctor is shot dead at Church in US. Ron delivered 4000 babies. How would Ron feel about this news?

Dr. Paul would abhor the murder of the doctor while also abhorring the abortion actions of that doctor prior to his murder.

As for the rest, since it it the ninth anniversary of my son's death today, read this:

http://muddythoughts.blogspot.com/2008/05/for-libertarians-o...

For Libertarians on Abortion
May 14, 2008

This is to all Libertarians (and everyone else who wonders where the LP stands on the issue):

Anybody who knows anything about human biology will be able to explain the biological differences between a zygote, fetus, and baby. When those scientific terms get blurred, distorted, and falsely rewritten is usually when emotional and theological responses and reactions get involved. Hence the abortion debate and all of its connotations and emotional high-stress. That's not denigrating anyone, folks, just telling it like it is.

Me, personally, as a father of two kids, and having had to go through the personal hell and grief of burying one of them, I can appreciate the emotion on both sides, which boils down to whether one thinks personally a zygote/fetus/baby is wanted or desired, or in some cases, can survive.

The ultimate question of when does a group of cells become that which we call a human life, with the human, constitutional, and civil rights that come with that life? Answers will vary, and it boils down to when we *think* it happens, since we really don’t know.

Some say when all the building blocks are present, some say when "it" (for lack of any better term) exhibits human physical characteristics, some say when "it" exhibits human behaviors, some say at the point of survivability outside the mother. Others say (and I agree) that it’s when the spirit or soul enters the body, in the same way that death is when it leaves. When that happens is anybody’s guess. I’ll guess the quickening.

The government has no real idea. So it chose a temporal point, birth, as an arbitrary answer for its one-size-fits-all legal purposes of protecting rights and regulating behaviors (not commenting on the legitimacy of that, just that it is done). The whole political debate is over that arbitrary answer and whether it should be changed to earlier than the birth point.

Governments, for better or worse, use temporal points like birth and other ages. That’s not going to change anytime soon, at least not until Doc Brown shows up in his steam engine.

Personally, to answer the question I asked three paragraphs above, I think it’s some combination of the exhibiting of human characteristics, human behaviors, and survivability. And that varies from case to case. One size doesn’t fit all (which is where government generally fails!).

In my (and my wife’s) case, we lost a son at 38 weeks in utero. Two weeks from delivery. Kicking up a storm and then just stopped. Heart stopped beating, nobody knows why, but it did. Did he have all of the building blocks? Yes. Did he exhibit human physical characteristics? Since I held his body after the induced labor (and bawled my eyes out, I’m not ashamed to admit), I can say emphatically “Hell, yeah!” Did he exhibit human behaviors? Ask my wife about her sore ribs from the soccer games he was playing in there. To me, when I placed my hand on her belly and felt that kicking, it was utterly mind-blowing. At that point in the pregnancy, it was real to me, not just my wife getting big in the belly. So, yeah, he did AFAIC. Was he survivable outside the mother? At that point I would say yes, and had the OB not blown off an ultrasound (which might have caught something) he very well could have. We’ll never know, but considering that he was two weeks to term, and our second son was born nine days from term, and he’s just fine , most likely the answer is yes.

Where was I going with this? Oh, yeah, the point is that to us, Will was biologically and legally a fetus, but emotionally to his parents a baby and our child. We wanted him, we were ready for him (sort of , but at the time we were just naïve enough to think that), and his loss broke our hearts. Others may not feel that way when they lose theirs, either by choice or not. But with abortion, it all comes back to it being a personal choice and dealing with the consequences and aftereffects of that choice. As Libertarians, we cannot deny the parent the right to deal with that if they so choose. We agree that government should stay out of the abortion action, either by regulation or payment.

So, yes, the LP should stay neutral on abortion while acknowledging that government should not be involved in an oh-so personal and emotional decision. That puts the emphasis back on individual rights and responsibilities, while respecting the law as it now stands. Should the law change, then that can be dealt with, but for now, neutrality is the best answer, since the LP focus deals with government policy and law, and while the emotion behind it is there, it should not be the driving force in the issue.

The issue of when a human life begins will not be resolved here or anytime soon, and neutrality on the issue acknowledges that as well. Frankly, until a human spirit or soul, or whatever one wants to call that essence that makes the sum of the parts a whole, however it happens, that thing that makes us what we call “human” instead of a mass of cells working in unison by biological accident, until that can be empirically detected and measured, we will never know.

Abortionist Tiller Admits to Performing Abortions the Day Before Delivery
His Speech at National Education Association
Wednesday March 19, 2008

By John-Henry Westen

ARLINGTON, VA, March 19, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Notorious partial-birth abortion specialist Dr. George Tiller of Wichita, KS, was caught on hidden video admitting to aborting babies a day before the mother's due date. Students for Life of America (SFLA) today released the video which was made at the Feminist Majority Foundation's annual Women's Leadership Conference held at the National Education Association (NEA) on March 9.

The video reveals Dr. Tiller showcasing massive and graphic pictures of children with fetal abnormalities that he had aborted, so as to make the case for late-term abortions as necessary medical procedure. SFLA's Executive Director Kristan Hawkins, who videotaped the conference and interviewed Tiller clandestinely, commented on the gruesome pictures of aborted children Tiller showed, saying, "One had an extra arm: could not that child had survived and received corrective surgery? Was violently killing the child the only way to go?"

Rest:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/mar/08031901.html

Was a girl I dated while I was in the Air force. After a night of partying we would end up back at my dorm and passout. She was cool. That was untill one night I awoke from my stuper and found that she had left. She would drive home drunk? Then I heard nocking from my neighbors wall. And sounds of sex.

I walked over to my neighbors door and banged on it. He answered the door. "Is Ashley in their!" I bellowed.
"No shit, that's your girl? I'm sorry bro. Damn. She just came to my door and started grabbin on me dawg. I didn't know."
"That's fine. Just make sure she gets off the base in the morning."
"Mike? Is that you? I love you babe!"
"Bitch you got to got." said my neighbor
"No I want to stay. F-me."

Well suffice to say she was tossed out into the hallway and tried to get back in my dorm room. I had to get the SP's to escort her off the base.

She had an abortion later on. She called me of all people to tell. I said that's nice and hung up the phone. Women.

at least during the first trimester. I still am as far as rape or incest. However, I never supported Roe v. Wade, because it's not supported by the Constitution. Abortion is a state issue.

I'm not against abortion..but late term or partial birth I am..

Physician Friend of Slain Abortion Doctor Wants to Continue Mission

Tuesday, June 02, 2009

OMAHA, Neb. — Physician LeRoy Carhart wants to continue providing third-term abortions after the brazen slaying of his friend and colleague George Tiller, but the Nebraska doctor doesn't have anywhere to perform them — and he's one of only a handful of providers who will.

Tiller's Wichita, Kan., clinic was shuttered Sunday after the 67-year-old physician was gunned down at his church. His family said Tuesday that they were unsure when it would reopen, posing a problem for Carhart, who wants to carry on his friend's mission.

Carhart, 67, is one of a handful of remaining doctors in the United States who perform third-trimester abortions, and it is uncertain if a new generation of providers will take over the cause. Schools and universities don't offer many programs to train physicians on how to perform the procedure, and Carhart said younger doctors who might be interested in stepping forward are afraid they or their families will be harmed.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,524829,00.html

I give the DP exhibit A
remember Caylee Marie Anthony
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15444730@N04/2871902448/ .

Her mother(seen on the left)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sleep_pictures/3105820462/
killed her when she was only three years old in order to go out clubbing with friends and so she could score men.

That's why I'm getting all my stuff first (house,car,toys) and then attempting to find me a woman. They're unpredictable creatures. One of great strength and wisdom could only handle such a beast.

I give the DP exhibit b
These photos where taken after her child was....Misplaced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylO9ZZPs9IA&feature=related