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Inmates to PAY RENT!!! This is sickening.
Submitted by cseman on Tue, 06/02/2009 - 14:27
Watch the short clip. This is disgusting. First they capture you, imprison you, and then force you to pay for it all. Notice, how they mention they're just lookign for ways to get money out of these people. End the exploitation of the Prison Industry!!! http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=... » |
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Gov't imposed "rents" never lead toward liberty
That being said I think the families should pay -- the 1st 50 family members (regardless if they know the person) -- pay the first 80% of the tab. What does it cost? $30K per year (I forget)?
80% of $600 per family member.
Then the nearest 100 neighbors -- the remaining 20% ($60/year - per 100 neighbros).
These two policies would greatly reduce crime as neighbors and relatives would grow "community" -- checking in, getting involved, creating access, affording opportunities (education, recreation, and guidance).
After doing the above (the next day) the taxpayers would quickly become Anti-Vice-Law lobbyist, hahaha.
That should about do it ;-)
Obviously, the "ideal" is to eliminate all vice-laws and release all non-violent prisoners -- today.
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The family already pays. Try
The family already pays. Try being human for a second.
I payed $400 a month to a county jail because someone related to me got angry with someone. I have nothing to do with the crime at all, but you try to look after your family. You think this could have been prevented with a policy? I doubt it, neither policies nor laws can prevent human behavior.
You're right Ryanwild: No argument here.
Your last sentence sums it up.
That being said, Localism begins with self, then family, then neighbors, and then community.
That's where the tax liability for criminals should lie -- it's fair and local.
I am 100% against all Vice Laws and Tax Laws.
Well actually I'm against Owners Rights and Workers Rights too, smile.
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Your last
sentence/paragraph really captured my attention, Octobox! The "ideal" you listed may already be in the early stages of coming to fruition!. This small article was posted in my local newspaper today in the "Around the State" section:
(AP) Harrisburg -- A two-month moratorium on parole last year compounded the prison overcrowding that is expected to force hundreds of Pennsylvania inmates to be boarded in other states, Corrections Secretary Jeffrey Beard said Monday.
He urged lawmakers to take steps to slow the growth of the prison population.
At a hearing, Beard advocated stepping up efforts to divert non-violent offenders into non-prison settings and reducing the number of parolees sent back to prison for minor violations...
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I am amazed at this line of thought
I believe you may be onto something. I am really glad you put this out there. I would like to study these thoughts. It is simple and could work. The only thing I wonder about is how would you accomplish this while promoting liberty and freedom.
I think you last line sums it up. The "ideal" is what is right. Since we cannot get there tonight your topic deserves much thought.
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yah
run a tab on a person in jail for rent....lets see. before they went to prison there is prob a good chance they didn't have a job. Perhaps they did, and if they did they probably lost it upon being sent to jail.
So we take individuals who are clearly struggling to make it in society, and extort them for money they don't have, and likely will not have upon release.
Guess what this will bring? You guessed it, more crime. How convenient, in the process of extorting people for money they can't pay, they are ensuring job security as the door will be revolving for those that can't pay.
Five years from now people will be shaking there heads wondering why the American prisons have yet even more explosion in growth. I think only America could suggest something so ridiculous as to further saddle a human being who is not making it in society with un-payable taxes and fines, and expect this sort of behavior to help rehabilitate that person
Guess what people? This is not about saving you a dime, this is about greedy people looking to extort money out of people who have no say. Interestingly enough the term "extortion" immediately reminds me of the Italian mob. Take a moment to think what it would have been like to live in a heavily populated mob area, this is seemingly what our entire country is turning into. You can't even walk to the store anymore without a fear of being pulled over for "j walking", or the like. I REPEAT, THIS IS NOT ABOUT SAVING ANY ONE OF YOU A NICKEL, YOU WILL NEVER, EVER REAP ANY BENEFIT FROM THIS. THE PRISONS ARE STILL GOING TO BE CHARGING YOU THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY PER PRISONER.
If you have worked for a jail before, or know someone well who has, you know what this is all about. These jail systems are corrupt to the very core. deputy's doing drugs, because the testing is random and they are given two weeks notice, out driving around drunk, because they know if they get pulled over they won't be arrested, smuggling drugs into the jail for money...etc...etc....The list go's on, these are some of the most corrupt people I have ever met personally before.
Um
Yeah I'm completely for that. I don't want my tax dollars paying for the scumbags.
Have you read "Three Felonies a Day"?
It is what the average person commits, so I guess that you didn't get caught today.
it's funny
You use a blanket term such as "scumbags" to describe millions and millions of people who are or have ever been in jail before for any reason, and in so doing present yourself as a scumbag.
The REALLY funny part is that a prisoner would say it to your face, your just a little key stroker that would never call someone that in your actual day to day life because your scared to death.
With any luck you'll be sent to jail one day for a crime you didn't commit and have to spend some time on a pre-trial cell block. I bet the folks there could teach you a thing or two about manners, and minding your own business.
You will never, ever pay less taxes to a prison as a result of inmates paying rent. Ever.
hahahaha
I guess we can tell that you spent time in prison.
I find it hilarious that you're so sure you have me pegged from a couple of lines of text. Naw I wouldn't have any problem calling someone a scumbag to their face. I'm an honest person.
I think criminals who are
I think criminals who are responsible for victimizing someone through actual crimes such as theft, murder, and the like ought to pay for their own imprisonment.
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I worked in the criminal
I worked in the criminal system and couldn't stomache the abuse and injustice that went on there and remain true to myself. I'm so glad that there are people that are out there trying to make changes to a system that has become corrupt and abusive to American citizens.
rent a car
how about
how about we release all the non violent drug offenders and then there will be more than enough room to put the real criminals.
but then the good old boy network of the prison industrial complex won't be able to get their buddy's construction firm a multi-million dollar contract to build more jails.
just a thought.
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Good!
First, let me say that I think anyone arrested and imprisoned for a victimless crime (such as drug possession and/or sales) ought to not be in jail/prison. My money is stolen from me to pay for that, and it's asinine.
However, criminals who are responsible for victimizing someone through actual crimes such as theft, assault, murder, rape, and the like ought to pay for their own imprisonment. Why shouldn't they? Do you enjoy paying for someone to get 3 squares a day, a roof over their head, medical care, and the like simply because they harmed someone in some way? I don't.
And it's equally wrong to make the family of the criminal pay as well.
But the criminal? Let them pay for all of it.
Agreed....
would include in the no-victim list any personal income tax related so-called crimes. (they would all be declared not-guilty, on the grounds that this government should not claim to own their citizens).
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Agree somewhat as well.
Agree somewhat as well. However I think working on the chain gang does help pay part of the cost, or SHOULD technically.
Agreed
I see nothing wrong with criminals paying monetary restitution for their crimes. Let them work it off.
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Prison Nurse here
We just got April's medication bill, over $21,000.00 That doesn't include labs, consults, er visits, hospital stays. We're a county prison with a inmate population of 327 max. So many young healthy men and women are committed and when I ask if they have insurance they say yes," access". (that's welfare in PA) And believe me they have a big sense of entitlement. We have discussed charging them $10.00 per day for their stay, but we've come to the conclusion that they won't pay it, get picked up on a bench warrant for costs and come back to us anyways at an even bigger expense.
And how many prisoners are in the prison you work in...
...for victimless crimes?
Victimless crimes
probably about 30-35%, DUI's, Domestics, probation violations, etc. They go to our pre-release facility for work release or county run work crew. They do pay for their stay at pre-release. The rest are state sentenced. Some are drug dealers, heroin, crack, meth was big for awhile. Most marijuana smokers get bailed and probation. Many are robbers, pedophiles. We have a lot of gang members, We see gunshot, stab wounds weekly. As far as nutrition, I guess being a county prison ours is probably better then bigger institutions. Alot of it is homemade by kitchen staff and inmates that work in the kitchen. To many starches if anything. They also have commissary and can order granola/power bars, dried fruit plus all kinds of junk food. The majority of our medication expense is psychotrophic medication. (47%) They all want to have some type of mental illness so they can medicate or justify their crimes. HIV meds are next. Pregnancy is another big expense. Alot of pain meds. Believe me when I say their sense of entitlement is astounding. Not all but most. Many are repeat offenders that I've know since they were 18, never had a job, have several children to different mothers or fathers. I would like to add that in the first quarter of this year we spent over $7,000 in dental expenses. Keep in mind this is a county prison in rural central PA. We are not rich by any means. County prisons have gone bankraupt due to medical expenses. We are constantly being banged on by the warden to cut expenses. But how?
The inmate will sue you for "deliberate indifference" in a heartbeat. They lose, but it's still expensive to the county, a hassle to you and a notation on you license, nurse or MD. Hard to find prison doctors for that reason.
It is what it is.
I've read that the nutrition
I've read that the nutrition of inmates food is so low that they contract diseases easily (due to low immune system) and that the infection rate of prisoners is many times that of the regular population. Certainly overcrowding plays a role, but without nutrition the body cannot fight of pathogens. Perhaps it would be cheaper to administer nutrient supplements proactively rather than medically treat them after disease manifests.
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President Clinton established a prison industrial complex, whereby corporations, Wachenhut and Correctional Corporations, a myrid of contractors state, national and international, have been putting prisoners to work for over a decade with much applause from the public.
These prisoners are paid on China wages scale,, a few cents per hour, and with that they pay for things like tooth brushes.. which can cost $10.00 for a plastic thing you can get at a drug store for a dollar (and why it's sooo important to have family, friends on the outside who care about you). These corporations prefer marijauna "vets' (did you hear them called vets in the video?) becasue they come in with no addictions and good dispositions, UNLESS they are disabled.. which is what the prisons are going to release.. the very ill prisoners, who should tie up the new universal healthcare beds immediately becasue were talking about thousands of transfers (make room for healthy people in prison to work).
Russia had GuLags, work camps... that is where we're going with this..
And if they get their VAT tax, of 25%, America will be a very different place. I bet we stop being a land of immigrants.
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I have a thought........
How about letting out of prison all those with pot related crimes that appear to be no threat to society.
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I wonder if that include FEMA CAMPS??????
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any history experts out there on this?
It strikes most of us as wrong - because we, likely, all understand the inherent conflict and ethical problem...there will be monetary pressures to put more people in jail...if they actually start making money off people by jailing them (which they already do). Anyone an expert on this issue---or find some historical information. How did the American "founders" feel about this?
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Didn't Robert Redford already address this issue?
It's illegal.
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If the prisoner can't pay? Then what? Does the family pay?
If the family paid for their stay (say the first 50 relatives) and society never paid one penny -- I'd be very happy.
We must end all vice and drug laws -- before I'd want to see this imposed.
I'm sure in the present situation I'd still have to pay for the prisoner.
They are going bankrupt -- aren't they (referring to prisons)?
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Bankrupt prisons, that's a hopeful
thought. I had the impression they were profitable.
Reedr: They might be but only because of subsidization
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Wow, scary
stuff.
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