The Whiskey Rebellion: Why you should know about it
If you’re reading this, I’d like to thank you for choosing to do so. I’d also like to encourage you to do your own research on the facts that I’m about to present to you so that you can draw your own educated conclusions about an event which happened shortly after the formation of the US government which I believe clearly illustrates the manner in which even people with the best of intentions abuse the power of government.
The Whiskey Rebellion, for those of you unfamiliar with it, was an uprising that was initiated and carried out by the people on the Western frontier on the fledgling United States of America which was at the time Western Pennsylvania. The frontier was a quite rural place, with most people who chose to live there possessing a common spirit of independence. These people were also as a rule quite self sufficient, as the lack of well maintained roads to the East making it quite difficult to transport goods. Consequently, the farmers of the frontier who grew grains found it quite difficult and not financially beneficial to attempt to send their surplus grain East to market. As an alternative to wasting their surplus, they produced whiskey with it. Whiskey, as you can imagine, had value. Whiskey was and still is far more shelf stable than grain and it was used for barter. And it was also good for drinking. Making whiskey with your surplus grain was a no brainer for a farmer on the early frontier. It just made sense.
Enter the US federal government. In 1791, Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton convinced the Congress to levy a tax on the production of whiskey. This tax, he claimed, was necessary to pay of the debt that the states had incurred during the Revolutionary War. But as is often the case with government rules, this tax had a greater impact on some than it did on others. In this case, the tax was 50% greater for small producers of whiskey than it was for large ones. It was not only the fact that the tax was a greater burden on the small producers of whiskey that drove them to organize and rebel against the government however. It was that the government essentially dictated to those people on the frontier that they somehow had a legitimate claim on what didn’t belong to them, and that government demanded that they pay up, or else.
From the time the news of the newly created tax reached the frontier until the summer of 1794 tensions worsened. Many farmers and small distillers refused to register their stills and pay the tax. Tax collectors were treated poorly to say the very least. Finally, the inevitable happened and the first shots of the rebellion were fired. In response, the federal government under the direct supervision of George Washington demanded the presence of the tax protesters in court, declared Martial Law in August of 1794. This enabled him to summon the militias of Pennsylvania and Virginia as well as men from other states and march on to Western PA to face the protesters in October of that same year.
In what was truly a sign of the acts the people of government will commit to impose their will, especially when they’re not spending their own money, Washington’s march on the rebellion was an epic failure. He had mustered nearly 13,000 troops to take against the tax protesters, yet they could find no more than a couple dozen protesters to arrest. There were no epic battles, only a few arrests. And less than a decade later, in 1803, the tax was repealed.
So what should we learn from this episode in US history? Well, for starters, how much money was wasted do you suppose? I’d be willing to bet far more was spent flexing the muscle of the new US government than they would have collected in taxes from those farmers that dared oppose the dictates of the government, even if they had collected those same taxes for a hundred years. There is speculation that Washington, together with Alexander Hamilton, chose to use the self proclaimed powers against the rebels as a test of their newly formed government’s power. I believe that may probably be true, but I’ll leave you to form your own opinion as that was not ever established as fact. In any event, the choice to muster and take troops against the very people that the federal government was allegedly formed to protect in order to collect a tax, spending wildly in excess of the potential tax itself to do so was both illogical and ineffective. But, logic never applies when dealing with brutes who want what isn’t theirs now, does it?
You’re here on the DP hopefully because you want more liberty. I hope you’ll come to realize that true liberty means that you have no claim on what isn’t yours, and that all governments, no matter how principled, stake a claim on what is not theirs. That is why the Whiskey Rebellion is important, and that is why I wanted to share it with you.
Thanks for reading.





















...And the reason for moonshining to this day!
Illegal stills and dodging the revenuers are a part of the fabric of America because of it.
I think that's what they call 'blowback'.... you know, unintended consequences?
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I Just Want To Say Thank You ...
... to none, and to each of you who have constructively engaged in this campfire discussion which happily did not break down into ring of fire conflagration.
I hadn't read this thread until now. This sort of debate is an important part of our mission, for ourselves and each other.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/96295#comment-1059008
And what is your point?
Our government has been over taken by Marxist and you want to debate Ron Paul supporters about weather we should be libertarians or anarchist? Are freedom has flown the coop and we need to fight to get it back but you are more worried about what came first the chicken or the egg? Lets just worry first about the government we are dealing with and not nit pick over what we want to do when we get any where near freedom. You are like trying to debate if its good to smoke with a person that is dying of lung cancer. We need to join together and get way past debate and form a mode of action.
You said it, brother. Lets
You said it, brother. Lets get a sense of perspective.
Ventura 2012
Did we read the same post?
I have no idea what you are talking about in your response to this thread...
The point, as I see is, is the Whiskey Rebellion and how the government just indiscriminately levies taxes on whomever they choose whenever they need to buy their way out of a predicament.
Your rant about Marxists with chicken eggs who pick nits seems to be a 'left field' rant about nothing at all.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
The point I wanted to make with this essay is...
...that you ought to realize exactly what it is you're asking for when you ask for a return to 'constitutional' governance.
Lest one forget the Bill of Rights
and how it protects us from the Constitution, eh?
WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
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How's that Bill of Rights working?
Surely you can't be serious. I'll save my laundry list of egregious offenses of the government against the 'rights' of people everywhere for another post. But if you think that any words written anywhere are going to protect you o your 'rights', you are sadly mistaken.
So much for anarchy
If having a Bill of Rights to protect me from the US Constitution are merely words you save for your laudry list of egregious offenses of the government, then what makes you think anarchy words or not would work any better?
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Here's how...
In a society that embraces the principle of anarchy any jackass that attempted to initiate force against me to steal from me or modify my behavior in any way whatsoever would be seen as deserving of whatever consequences came to them as I defended myself.
Try defending yourself against the agression of government and you get painted as a looney by government and all those who suck off it's teats.
The illusion of legitimacy is the problem. Agression will always exist so long as humans exist as they do currently. The only way to evolve beyond this is to accept that initiated force is always wrong and to realize those who use such force are criminals, no matter what fancy titles they give themselves, what snazzy uniforms they choose to wear, or what twisted words they declare they'll do what they do by.
That sum it up for you?
Marxist, fascist, whatever.
The point is that there are growing numbers of us who are *really* interested in freedom, and we're not willing to fight for some bastardized form of mercantilism, which we consider little preferable to Marxism.
At first, I was happy about the renewed interest of the "right" in standing up for freedom, but the more I hear, the more I realize that they are still just as confused as ever and are being played like a fiddle as usual.
None? Can you tell us more history?
I would be interested to read essays from a Libertarian viewpoint on all the major historical themes..... Whiskey Rebellion, War of 1812, Civil War, Spanish American war, etc..... The book could be called, American History through Liberty's Eyes. Once you write ten essays you have a book.
I would also be interested to see a table, a table that lists a bunch of unacceptable actions on the one side across the top [ Declared Martial Law, Suspended Habeaus Corpus, jailed political opponents & journalists, etc ] and the list of Presidents down the left side column. This way I can quickly look up the check marks as to who and how many presidents declared martial law, etc.
If the book is a hit you can always write Part II, essays 11-20...
I know some publishers who just might print it for you but first things first...write the essays
In peace & liberty
Treg
Funny you should ask...
...I'm working on a project along those lines at the moment. I'm happy to hear that I'll at least have a market for my work!
BUMP
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Ron Paul Supporter Since 1997
`Wise people, even though all laws were abolished, would still lead the same life'- Aristophanes -
“We have allowed our nation to be over taxed and over regulated and overrun by bureaucrats, the founders would be ashamed of us for what we're putting up with.” Ron Paul
none: Thanks for history lesson
We need some Founding Father strength to fight these sons of bitches whom we allowed to take our country away in broad daylight without as much as a whimper.
An article from LewRockwell.com
The Whiskey Rebellion - by Murray N. Rothbard
Excerpt:
Something to note...
And I really hate to disagree with Rothbard on anything, but I can't see how the 'victory' he claimed the Whiskey Rebellion was could have been anything other than an illusion. Sure, the whiskey tax was repealed in 1803. And to be certain, there were many who never did register their stills nor pay the tax. But the fact that the federal government used it's new found muscle and they were able to maintain control over the states (and more importantly, over the people) in the aftermath of such a move despite what they had done just emboldened the federal government to try, try again. Which history clearly shows they did, and with increasing success in limiting the liberties of all.
The only side I see that can claim success from the Whiskey Rebellion is that of the federal government.
That seems to be true.
Taking the larger view, the federal government won the war, setting a precident for the use of government force against its citizens, despite the individual victories one side or the other may lay claim to.
It would be interesting to read the two books on "The Whiskey Rebellion" by Thomas P. Slaughter and Steven R. Boyd to which Rothbard referred to. Did he report the incidents accurately but came to the wrong conclusions; or was he speaking from the point of view of the individual actors involved?
I suppose, in the end, if the government can rewrite the history of the event, they can lay claim to success.
Disagree wih Rothbard all you want
I do not support much of anything he says.
Beware of well publicized writers.....in a world of lies.
Unify
History is interpreted in many ways.
And how many times have you seen examples of historical facts interpreted a certain way to shine a more favorable light on one point of view or another? I simply try to look at the historical facts and what the factual impact was on my chosen objective, liberty.
And half the crap (or more) published as 'history' is nothing more than opinion and interpretation. Well publicized doesn't mean factually accurate, as I'm sure you know.
Interesting
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Whiskey was currency
We can do semantics, but whiskey was a store of wealth for the producer and an accepted medium of exchange in the region.
The whiskey had enough trading "breadth"to be identified as currency. You support the same conclusion throughout this debate.
This "currency" brought wealth to the region as a contributor to a just economic system...not good for the men in power.
This was an anti counterfeiting operation.The tax "punishes" the trader and devalues his trading medium.
Trader refuses the tax, the men in power jam him..successfully devaluing his currency and putting him out of the counterfeiting business.
Cutting in on the boss's action...they bring in strong arms to reassert the boss's territory.
GW and Tony Soprano...what's the difference?
This is not a constitutional issue per se...it is an assertion of men in power to regulate commerce for the BENEFIT of the STATE.
They had a currency monopoly and the whiskey dudes were messing with it.....shame on them.
Highly "unfree" wouldn't ya say?
Heroin is also concentrated currency....that is what the families control the drug trade..always has been their trade...always will be as long as we let them.
Look at the top liquor producers in the world.....constitution? Nuh uh.
Unify
Hamilton was a saint compared to Bernanke & Geithner
"There is nothing new under the sun." - God
Lol.
Probably.
The irony of the entire thing is...
that it was Hamilton who argued that the new nation required a federal debt to start off with (based on his study and love of the English system), he proposed the tax, and he was a Federalist. Basically, in my opinion he was a real problem. They should have stuck with Paine and Jefferson.
Too bad the coin didn't fall for the anit-federalists.
I'll still argue that the Constitution is a hell of a lot better than what is happening now. The Articles of Confederacy were better still. However, what is the basis for the gov. to tax anything other than interstate trade?
The main argument will always fall under the heading of federalist or anti-federalist, unfortunately most people don't know what those words even mean.
Assert Your Authority
Assert Your Authority
Aaron Burr was too late.
We'd probably have a far freer country today if Aaron Burr had shot that son of a bitch a couple of decades sooner.
-jcr
"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel
It seems that during the Revolutionary War...
Hamilton was something of a superman. He was self educated and a natural leader of sorts. He had a deep understanding of military tactics and served as personal aide-de-camp for Washington; writing many letters for the general in his own hand, without assistance and with full authority. I do not think he meant to fall so foul in his economic theories, he just studied the wrong economic subjects. His premise that to become as strong as the English, America should adopt their economic model was a false assumption. Growing up a poor boy, learning to survive in the harsh English empirical system gave him much both good and bad. We should all learn from his triumphs and failures.
Assert Your Authority
Assert Your Authority
Those who believe in liberty don't seek power over others
It's no surprise that the federalists got what they wanted, really.
And I'll agree that the liberties still enjoyed by the public at large in 1789 were greater than the libeties we are able to enjoy today, but only if you were a white male. I can't imagine harkening to a time with nostalgic admiration, knowing that if your skin was a different color you were considered less than human. I'll also agree with you that the AoC were better still.
And Hamilton really sucked.
Of course you are...
correct in pointing out the deficiencies and irony in the society that birthed the founders and framers of the Constitution. But, I am not harkening to a time with admiration, but an idea. For instance, would you renounce the benefits of electricity although it has been used to kill many an innocent in the electric chair? We must inherit the lessons of the past, and many of those come with irony. But would you relinquish the past simply to avoid the introspection inherent in investigation?
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Assert Your Authority
The US Constitution in action!
One bump for the founding fathers and a history lesson from the US Constitution being used exactly the way they meant it to be used.