Naomi Wolf: Why No Investigation?

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Last week, I blogged here on The Huffington Post with evidence rebutting the Pentagon's denials of Taguba's confirmation to the British newspaper the Telegraph that male-on-male rape and male-on-female rape are pictured in the detainee abuse photos that Obama has suddenly decided to suppress. All weekend, though, I had an uneasy feeling -- that feeling you have when you've had a nightmare while you were sleeping that you can't quite recall.

As I was researching this story today, I remembered what it was: think back to 2005. We were still in shock after the Abu Ghraib photos came out. The Bush White House -- oddly, it seemed to me at the time -- invited scores of lawmakers from both parties to a private screening of the abuse photos and even four videos that did not get released at that time. They emerged, to a man and a woman, shocked. They spoke in public, on the record, by name, of having witnessed scenes of rape, sodomy, and violent sexual assault against children.

I even wrote about this screening in The End of America; I had interpreted the motivation for showing these scenes as being one of intimidation.

Now I am not so sure -- now I think the motive was to implicate any potential opposition. If Bush et al showed these images, and the Congresspeople did nothing -- a damn good bet -- well, the Bush team would have taken the wind out of any prosecutorial impulses.

Why are the Congressional leadership of both parties bizarrely silent now, when the American people are demanding an investigation and prosecution of the crimes represented in just two of 87 of those scenes?

full article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/why-no-investigatio...

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Naomi is articulate,

Naomi is articulate, attractive, passionate, but not very smart. She's proof positive that just because someone can articulate things clearly doesn't mean that they know what they're talking about. She lacks critical and open minded thinking. Her mind is compartmentalized--probably from her education experiences. She's a typical Huffingtonpost ego that still believes in the left/right paradigm.

I'm sure she rubs elbows with these people and honestly thinks their rhetoric is ideology. I'm sure she tries to judge each person she meets openly and without prejudice but this is her downfall. There's a huge difference between being unbiased and NAIVE.

She should change her name to NAIVE Wolf.

Maybe a quality

Well if it works it works. Some presidents of this decade have been pretty naive, non-intelligent, non-open minded.... yet serve another term. If your super intelligent but nobody can follow your story, what's the use. There is that formula:

efficiency = quality * acceptance

Not to diminish this...

but where is the anger and outcry about rape in American prisons?
People make jokes about it and it is often portrayed or implied in movies about our prisons. It seems to be an accepted part of our prison system with guards looking the other way.
Why should being sodomized (including the risk of being infected with a deadly and incurable disease like AIDS or chronic hepatitis) be part of the punishment of ANY crime, let alone the victimless crimes that fill our prisons.
Why is it more of an outrage when it happens to Iraqi citizens?

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sentencing someone to a

sentencing someone to a dangerous place where they could be raped could be construed as cruel and unusual punishment. technically, the constitution would forbid imprisoning people in places where this is the norm.

looking at it another way, it would be perfectly legal to sentence someone to spend a year in a pit... knowing there are poisonous snakes in the pit would make it cruel and unusual punishment, regardless of the intent that the convict simply spend a year in a pit.

in the law, the one controlling the property is forced to take full responsibility for anything that happens on that property, excluding acts of god, and courts these days will even ignore victims waiving their rights beforehand. our prisons are controlled by government, ergo government is responsible for the safety of everyone in that prison. by this logic, governments MUST do everything possible to ensure the safety of every prisoner, even to the point of putting everyone in solitary confinement.

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But is also the fault of the American people. We are as much to

blame for letting this happen. Men have died to fight against this and all we do, at best, is blog about it on the computer.

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naomi + obama = true?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Naomi on the Obama bandwagon?

I hope she's having a real thinking about that now.

as

if

I've been flagged by too many liberals on HP to post anymore

Blackballed for telling the truth :-).

Crime and Punishment: Should Bush Officials Be Investigated?

There will be a debate in DC about this actually

Crime and Punishment: Should Bush Officials Be Investigated?

http://libertarian.meetup.com/364/calendar/10576733/

Featuring a debate between Jeremy Rabkin and Ivan Eland
$5 discount to Libertarian Party Meetup Members by saying you are a member of the meetup!
When: Wednesday, June 10, 2009
7:15pm
Where: Washington Ethical Society
7750 16th St., NW
Washington, DC 20012
Closest METRO is Silver Spring
Cost: $15 for general audiences; $12 for Senior Citizens
RSVP: Please RSVP by Tuesday, June 9, to: wes.rsvp@gmail.com
Are there moral and legal obligations to investigate members of
the Bush Administration?
Would investigations irresponsibly divert us from addressing
critically urgent national issues?
Would investigations uphold the Constitution or lead to
political witch-hunts ˆ or both?
Jeremy Rabkin is a professor of law at George Mason University
and was confirmed by the US
Senate as a member of the Board of Directors of the US
Institute of Peace. Ivan Eland is Senior
Fellow and Director of the Center on Peace and Liberty at the
Independent Institute and author of
the books Recarving Rushmore: Ranking the Presidents on Peace,
Prosperity, and Liberty and
Partitioning for Peace: An Exit Strategy for Iraq. Together
they will discuss and debate the
many issues surrounding proposals to investigate Bush
officials.

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This sounds

interesting. I hope it draws a good audience.

Kevin, the Huffington Post is controlled media

the event of which you speak is theatre.

We re endlessly dragged into details that keep us from the truth.

The torture issue is being used to frighten us with the threat of same and keep us away from the truth.

The Federal reserve and all other central banks of this world are owned by the same families.

The above is the truth.

This is what we need to focus on.

Unify

It's part of the Illuminati

It's part of the Illuminati shadow Government...

Oh, I know Huffington Post is tripe.

I'm just following Naomi's commentary on torture and the secret police. People need to see that the two parties are 100% interchangeable parts.

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i can't find it now

i read an article about how the stanford professor who studied human behavior (and performed the stanford prisoner's experiment) said guantanamo bay was set up like this on purpose.

the parallels between the prisoner abuse and his experiments decades prior, left him beyond a reasonable doubt that guantanamo was designed to be a torture camp -- not just a few bad apples.

the lucifer effect, i think it is called.

"Philip Zimbardo, a psychologist at Stanford University, confesses how
he can still be amazed at US innocence and naivete, a whole nation still not able to deal with human nature's darker side, especially as revealed not by insidious foreigners but by fellow Americans. "

The leadership in both parties

is responsible. Are they going to call for an investigation and prosecution of themselves? They just want this to go away.

bump

there has to be an investigation.

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sorry, but ah it took you this long to put that all together?

Not to be too rude, but I thought this was common knowledge. It appeared quite obvious at the time to me. Maybe I heard Alex Jones explain it this way 4 years ago...don't know.

Naomi isn't the brightest bulb in the box

But she catches up inch by inch.

A Rhodes Scholar is someone who excels at being educated.

And being "educated" means being indoctrinated. Unless the education is self-education, that means indoctrination from authority.

It makes sense, if you think about it.

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This started as a quick response...

I'd have to disagree with your statement that being "educated" means being indoctrinated. You must gather information from as many sources as you can including the ones that would attempt to indoctrinate you. It is up to you as an individual to process and use that knowledge as you see fit. Knowledge can be gained from many different sources. Alex Jones and the Secretary of the Treasury both put forth ideas with little or no evidence to back it up. Ron Paul helped educate most of us on this website... would you say we have been indoctrinated? I would say we've taken knowledge from many different sources, analyzed it independently, and came to a conclusion which is what education is to me. Pure self-education, not taking any information from any "authority" on the subject, breeds a narrow view of the world and world issues driven by self-interest and personal likes and dislikes which is part of the problem in informing the masses as a whole about the issues which we think is important.

The fault for being indoctrinated does not fall on any "authority" as much as it falls on the individual for not critically analyzing the information and coming to their own conclusions. If I tell people the Fed is not a government agency, that the Declaration of Independence outlined our reasons for separation with England, or that the stock market crashed in 1929 there is no indoctrination as these are facts. With that said, there are some definite biases out there as our conventional education (k-12) system is for the most part run by the feds through the almighty dollar. I used to teach 9th grade Civics but the course was dropped as we are preparing for a "No Child Left Behind" social studies test of which funding will be attached to. (By the way, I have NEVER met a teacher who believes NCLB is working... ever.) Programs such as "No Place for Hate," which attempts to indoctrinate children to certain beliefs that they believe will end racism and hate is not only ridiculous but many of the ideas introduced actually push the students farther from any real academic pursuit by indifferentiating between these opinions and the facts we're trying to teach them. Additionally, this program further highlights the differences between us and not the similarities and it does not create the want and curiousity to learn about other cultures that might actually foster tolerance or acceptance. We can't force people to like each other. But I digress...

The indocrtination that you speak of, in my opinion, is the fault of apathetic people simply storing anything and everything they hear with no real interest in learning. As a teacher myself, we are often taught to inspire critical thinking within our students but I have to be very careful using it myself when applying it to history. I can't tell the kids, "the Fed is central economic planning, a staple of a command economy," or "the second amendment in part is there to forcibly remove a tryrannical government," or "the Civil War severely stunted the strength of our Republic," but allowing them to work through the problems on their own often produces even better results!!! I believe education is the facilitation of learning through providing the knowledge (facts and varying philosophies) and allowing students (with unbiased guidance) to critically think about the situation. But I guess few teachers think this way... too many just want their paycheck.

(Rant about various teaching issues removed for your benefit. You are welcome...)

This is also what we must do to bring more people to our movement. People will forcibly resist what they see as "indocrtination" or forcing your opinions on them. We need to give them the facts and facilitate learning within them... plant the seed, let it grow. We can't yell at them and overload them with opinions and facts, pretending there is no difference between the two. As an example, just tell people what the Fed is and what they do. Don't follow up immediately with a dissertation on why we think it is killing the economy, let them come up with that. We all know it is "bad" for the economy and in reality once given full and complete information on the subject few could intelligently disagree.

Well... I think I've vented enough and now it's time to go tear down some paneling in my new house which I'm paying the bank more money in interest back than they originally even loaned me. These people really don't know why all the foreclosures? Sigh... sounds like a current events topic to me!

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Wow,

I wonder if the atrocities will ever be exposed and consequences delivered.

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