CALL TO ACTION: C4L & Ron Paul Republicans
This may just be my opinion, but things are becoming very clear what us liberty lovers must do in order to gain a larger constituency. This is a spinoff of the Ron Paul 2012 topic a week ago about what we will do differently.
First off, C4L has it's pluses and minuses. But I think it has a huge opportunity right now.
- Ron Paul has said he will not run 3rd party.
- Ron Paul's constituency is gaining.
- Democrats are unhappy with Obama
- Republicans are absolutely pissed at their Party.
What can we learn from this? I think that C4L needs to start taking initiative and start the branding pre-campaign now. If Ron Paul runs, he will be running as a Republican.
How many of us have heard the term "Ron Paul Republican"- it's becoming more and more common. But we have a long way to go before others start learning this. Just like Reagan Republicanism, the GOP just recently acknowledged that there is truly a Ron Paul wing of the Republican Party, so lets make it bigger and capitalize on it.
This campaign should start now promoting "Ron Paul Republican". This means we get Ron Paul Republican bumper stickers, we start gearing the liberty and freedom message towards existing Republicans, start calling into talk radio and talk about being Ron Paul Republicans. We start showing parallels between Reagan and Ron Paul, we prove to Neoconned Republicans that Ron Paul is the closest thing we have to Reagan. We can do this. We just need to have the courage to do it. It's not even about money, it's about effort and strategy.
C4L could be a very important organization into seeing this through. Plus, if more candidates now want support from the "Ron Paul Republican Wing" they will have to accept that the movement isn't going away, and that a constituency is growing, and it may be the only real constituency left in the Republican party that is viable.
Regardless of whether Dr. Paul runs in 2012, the Ron Paul Republican wing is here to stay. Lets make this clear so we can start propping up candidates who are Ron Paul Republicans in 2010, and making the public aware that not all Republicans are neocons. As many neocons have said, the era of Reagan is dead. Lets use this debate as leverage to usher in Ron Paul type ideas that are similar to Reaganism that America once again longs for.
Are you guys willing to put this into action just as the campaign for HR 1207 has so far exceeded all expectations?
I think we can do it. Think of this as a pre-2012 campaign strategy.
I'll be proud to call myself a Ron Paul Republican.
As for C4L
I will not donate another dime until I see the leadership change
the way it goes right now is that I will support individual
campaigns but to be asked to give $ 3,000 and down to petition
Pelosi on HR 1207 is an insult to our movement.
Tate must go, and Ron Pauls son-in-law ( Jesse Benton )
should go and answers should be given on just exactly
where the money for the campaign went to.
" I will take REAL money and YOU
can have the change "
"Freedom is a right that can never be won in war,only by each individual "
shawn4liberty created I'm a Ron Paul Republican FB group
on facebook - "I'm a Ron Paul Republican" Group - 50 members
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=186406925390&ref=mf
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity should be our motto as Americans. Keep the American dream alive no matter how dark or difficult our circumstances seem.
Ron Paul is my President.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity. Not War, Welfare and Bankruptcy.
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Love this idea
I still have my, "I am a Ron Paul Republican ask me why" sign on my vehicle, since before the primary and it is not coming off. Even if some would like it to as they find it divisive and think it tells everyone that we are a divided party, well maybe it does do that and maybe we are divided.
What we did was get, from the hardware store, the magnetic car sign kit and extra letters, the magnet sheet we cut in four pieces and used black and red lettering.
If you want I could take a photo and email it to you.
I forwarded this post to a good friend and they asked if I changed my screen name. LOL That is how close to my heart you have hit with this post,
Thank you.
You should post it on C4L too.
Don't know with the rules they must operate under if they could do it, might seem like the are supporting a candidate, that was also some of the static I received "he's not a candidate for anything right now" and had to explained in terms of how people used to call themselves Goldwater or Reagan Republican , it's about the type of positions and policies WE stand for and most of all it's about integrity.
Thanks again for posting this and I hope all of us can do this, however we may be making more progress here in MT than in other parts of the Country.
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Shawn
Thanks for the reply on this. I'm not sure exactly how to get this done,this was one of the reasons for the post was to brainstorm on this thought I had.
I'd like to e-mail you personally outside of here. My e-mail (sambavwman (at) yahoo.com).
Glad this struck a nerve. The biggest question is how do we put this idea into action- and not just into action by a few dailypaulers.
I'm hoping that at some point we can get these ideas to someone who has some influence at C4L/YAL and start making some progress.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity should be our motto as Americans. Keep the American dream alive no matter how dark or difficult our circumstances seem.
Ron Paul is my President.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity. Not War, Welfare and Bankruptcy.
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We still have "Ron Paul Represents Me" bumper stickers
on our cars, that Michael Nystrom sent us with our donation!
Yes, you know it is easy
if Rand Paul (and others) can manage to win his KY primary, then that would be a very good indication that Ron Paul can win the GOP primary in 2012. Concentrate on electing as many Ron Paul Republicans in 2010 as possible. They can also endorse Ron Paul after 2010 for president and thus add to more legitimacy and support. It is like a snowball effect. Ron Paul should not announce before 2010, and first wait till the mid-term elections are over. After then the focus will be on the GOP candidacy. Also: it would be way premature to announce now and strategically an unwise move. Indeed, Ron Paul should run as himself, but as symbolizing the true Reagan Republican ideals in this day and age.
I agree
we need to find out who our Ron Paul is gonna be for the next election now, and start hitting the streets. We need these three years to prepare and start working NOW. We cannot start running a campaign 3 years from now, this is 100% crucial. Everyday we don't know who is running for our team is another day wasted toward getting anything done. Preemptive strike is desperately needed now.
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
preperation to win
You know most of you guys & gals are hung up on loosing last year, you need to get over it ...In my opinion the ONLY reason Obama won last year is because REPUBLICANS who lost jobs & those who were disgruntled by BUSH voted the other guy in..Without those votes we would have Pres. McCain..So to me a third party is NOT out of the equasion.. But it would be easier for Ron to run Republican because of ogainization skills within the party...Ron would know better about that ..HE has to make the call..He also should start NOW to pick his stand in, if he does not intend to run ...The RIGHT Republican or THIRD can win & would have won last year ..The state of INDIANA went Obama & that is like a huge mistake & they will find this out..The RIGHT ticket can win, third or otherwise...WE need info & guidence..
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Republicans just dont' have a message or new ideas
I think that's why they lost, plus they elected a democrat to run as a Republican w/ McCain.
As a Republican, I joked around with family members about getting drunk before voting as in good conscience a vote for McCain was atrocious.
It's pretty incredible that McCain actually won the primaries, I sometimes wonder whether it was pure rigging, as I don't know anyone who likes McCain and voted for him in the primaries, and I mean absolutely no-one.
I now look at the last election as a blessing to get Obama instead of McCain, because at least this time the democrats can screw things up worse than Bush. This means 3rd party opportunity or a different Republican party than we're used to.
2010/2012 is our opportunity to move.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity should be our motto as Americans. Keep the American dream alive no matter how dark or difficult our circumstances seem.
Ron Paul is my President.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity. Not War, Welfare and Bankruptcy.
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I For One Am Pro - Indie
and here is why....
while most say Indies won't win (and who knows - may be true)
Republicans will NEVER accept or give anyone the time of day with the
Non-Interventionist foreign policy philosophy ...(have we not learned that yet) All of us know that everything begins with foreign policy ... the economy - defense etc... I think amerika will ready for an Indie -
because a good percent of Dems are going to be fed up with their guy
and the thinking Reps are going to be fed up with their clique and if all the
third parties could merge (maybe it's a dream) anyway, I won't vote for
Dem or Rep (unless RP runs or someone just like him)
I am totally open for an Independent .... like Ventura or Gary Johnson
(hopefully would consider away from Rep) or some other for liberty.
Ron Paul Republicans = being shunned and outcasted by the lame party.
If there is one ... I will vote for him/her though.... but I am not for that party
You have to be smarter
Than the party. Smarter then the evils we face.
Play the role of a mole. Scream the party line. Make powerful friendships.
Cry war and terrorists.
But then...when it comes to voting. Vote our man in.
Cunning fox makes Ron Paul a president.
You have to drop party lines and names. Just get in there and fight!
I wish 3rd party had a chance
Voters consider themselves independent now
But has the two party monopoly eeked out any chance for ballot access and media coverage of a 3rd party?
I'm all for supporting 3rd parties, but if we can't win, then we need another strategy.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity should be our motto as Americans. Keep the American dream alive no matter how dark or difficult our circumstances seem.
Ron Paul is my President.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity. Not War, Welfare and Bankruptcy.
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My Gut Feeling...
(and by the way - this is a very good original post topic)
is that if we think 3rd parties can't win - then we are forcing ourselves to
vote for the 2 majors .... what could happen again is just having a "liberty
movement" voicing all they can again ... and get the same treatment from
media and from the party they are part of. Basically it is either you can have someone be on the Elephant's back and get some attention in debates and bit in media ... or gamble - and go grassroots with an Indie -
(and hope that things would change for a third party candidate)
Bottom line for me - If RP runs again I will support him again ....
if someone with the RP philosophy runs (no matter what party) I will support them (but not the party) My hope is that there will be an Independent that will run with the RP philosophy and it will catch fire somehow .... even if it is underground ... with the ammount of disgruntled
Dems and Reps we are all anticipating ... along with Indies that could make the difference. I somehow think a Ventura (not that I am pushing for him) could somehow get into debates etc (??) but we will see ....
by 012 ... everyone might be all party allegiant and happy with their own
lame parties ... only time will tell. Again, good post!
The problem with a third party
is ballot access and media access and most of all access to a level debate field. If you cannot debate them, you cannot beat them. I agree the non-interventionist foreign policy is most important, but the GOP will look for a change in direction now as to survive and win and may be more open. Yes, change in the GOP will not happen overnight, but as Ron Paul argues, the situation may force them to adopt non-interventionism as foreign policy. Joe Scarborough and others are already starting to propagate it.
SO I agree, get as many Ron Paul Republicans elected in 2010 as possible, and if need be go stealth, e.g. if the district chairman etc. is very neoconnish, make about the same noises, while criticizing Obama, and then in congress they can vote along with Ron Paul. Remember in a few places Ron Paul Republicans have already taken over, like in Michele Bachmann MN district 6 where the new chairman is a RP Republican.
Think about this
Why not start the campaign ourselves?
Look at the past to prepare our future.
Why not start hanging "Ron Paul 2012" signs across overpasses?
Why not start putting signs up around your neighborhood now?
Why not start handing out slim jims and cards right now?
Why not?
The grassroots does not need the approval of the C4L. That thing is a bureaucracy and a wall between us and Ron Paul. We need to act on our own. I am sure that if the grassroots started turning out a campaign the C4l would either have to disconnect from us or join us. No matter what.
So when do we kick-off the sign campaign again?
When do we start?
I say whenever we want.
If Ron Paul states that he is not running in 2012 no matter.
We will raise awareness about him and his causes in the congress. Hell we even might get a few people calling their on congressmen.
This is an info war. When do we start fighting back?
awesome
I agree.
C4L however could provide an instantaneous 150k members the materials and information via daily e-mails to start this campaign.
It's not just about Ron Paul running, but about Ron Paul's message and letting others know there is a real Ron Paul wing of the Republican party, there are Ron Paul democrats (Bob Conley) and plenty of Ron Paul independents.
C4L would make this successful for sure, and a few individuals doing this will not have the same kind of impact. C4L is now a much larger grassroots structure.
I'd bet YAL would help us get started. They were the signmakers and grassroots young generation Americans of last election.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity should be our motto as Americans. Keep the American dream alive no matter how dark or difficult our circumstances seem.
Ron Paul is my President.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity. Not War, Welfare and Bankruptcy.
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Yes
That's why we should start without their approval. We would force their hand. They would show their true allegiance. Is it to Ron Paul or to their lobbyist?
You know that money is heading towards the leaders of the C4L from the elite. Its only a matter of time before the elite buy out that whole organization.
That's why we should act independently. Force them to join the cause. If they don't then they have been compromised and should be discarded.
Most usefull
This is one of the most useful posts on this site. As it calls for real action.
I think this is the way to go. Ron Paul will do much better in the next election that the last as his starting point will be much stronger and the movement is growing. Creating a brand will strengthen that, because you won't have to explain what he is about, you wll just reference "Ron paul Republican". It also removes the word libertarian and brands him a more acceptable name (republican).
The next question is... how do we do it from deciding to do it? Surely this is the CFL's job?
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thanks for the support
I got sick and tired of blowhards like Hannity and Limbaugh always referring to Dr. Paul as the libertarian presidential candidate... even though he ran as a Republican.
It's this simple: call into talk radio. We own the economic argument.
Start it with this: -
- Hi Rush, i'm a Ron Paul Republican.
- I want to talk to you about the printing of all this money by Obama....
It's going to cause inflation and we've seen the dollar continue to loose value...I am a small business owner, etc
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This is the last thing they want.. to use their show to legitimize Dr. Paul, so let us do it anyways.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity should be our motto as Americans. Keep the American dream alive no matter how dark or difficult our circumstances seem.
Ron Paul is my President.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity. Not War, Welfare and Bankruptcy.
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I agree completely....
I remember during the primaries how I had to scurry about to change from Independent (my adult sons and I) to republicans....which was a hard thing to wrap my head around. Additionally, there was confusion among the Independents about whether they could vote republican while remaining independent. The answer in most states was no, which came too late for many. We have to be aware (which the above posts makes clear) that we be ready for the little idioms that will pop up....Many of the details may be better thought about by C4L leaders in the various states. Scott Olmer would be all over this in Florida and would be paying close attention to the details for RP supporters.....
Abolish the Interstate Commerce Act. Promote a "limited" Continental Congress...
Democrats are only unhappy
Democrats are only unhappy with Obama because he isnt liberal enough. And he has massive approval ratings.
partly true
I talked to a friend who is a hard-core admitted liberal, but he found Ron Paul completely acceptable because he strongly supports civil liberties.
He was a Bush hater from day one.
Many liberals still think democrats actually support civil liberties, but they are dissapointed with the torture too and the war. They don't know much about the economy but think spending is ok.... until our country collapses.
I think Dr. Paul's message can win over these types of democrats with his logic, and reason. Of course, many of these libs are swayed by Obama's speaking ability more than anything.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity should be our motto as Americans. Keep the American dream alive no matter how dark or difficult our circumstances seem.
Ron Paul is my President.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity. Not War, Welfare and Bankruptcy.
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Like I said in a different
Like I said in a different threat, the far left and far right have far more in common than either with the moderate wing of their party.
Both are anti-war, pro-civil liberties, etc.
I don't agree
The far left is pure socialism/communism, the middle of the road is corporatism/socialism/fascism
The far right is even more fascistic and war-mongering.
They are all after your rights and to control not just the USA but the world militarily, financially and through our military and currency the world foreign policy.
Ron Paul represents the old right - anti-war, pro-civil liberties, economic restraint, limited government, no policing of the world. That doesen't even fit into the above. If the GOP stuck to the roots of the original Jeffersonian Democratic-Republican Party, we woulden't have a need for a libertarian party or a constitution party.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity should be our motto as Americans. Keep the American dream alive no matter how dark or difficult our circumstances seem.
Ron Paul is my President.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity. Not War, Welfare and Bankruptcy.
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Great idea
This would be a tremendous first step toward building a larger foundation for 2012, regardless of who runs on the freedom message.
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I've been looking for ways to get going, this is the one
Plus, it's not about Ron Paul, it's about the kind of Republicanism he represents - and we can help this become more mainstream if we work togther on it.
Look what we've all done w/ HR 1207. We can do this.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity should be our motto as Americans. Keep the American dream alive no matter how dark or difficult our circumstances seem.
Ron Paul is my President.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity. Not War, Welfare and Bankruptcy.
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RPW
I like to Wing it myself.
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Very good points
The problem, is the largest growing registration is Indy, and it appears the majority believe the problem is not just the Dems or the Reps, but BOTH.. Keeping the GOP alive, keeps the Dems alive... where eatablishing an Indy move, as is happening on the left, neo Indy... they will win, becsue they have a clean slate, a blank check, no party rules,, just organized grassroots...
This is what happens to GOP http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090604-716765.html
WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
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Not many indies in my
Not many indies in my precinct, Granger. Just five of them. For some kooky reason they distinguish between indies and unaffiliateds around here, though. We got six more unaffliateds than Republicans.
Oh wait a minute. Welcome to Maryland, hon. Almost everyone is a Democrat in my neck of the woods:(
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Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.
Granger..
This is a good healthy debate, but I think we have a conscensus that indy isn't going to win because of a the ballot access issue, and media blackout.
Ron Paul has made it clear he isn't going to run indy. So he is going to stay a Republican. However, I have no problem with the Republican party sticking around if it's going to be changing it's tune and getting rid of neocons, and libertarian and freedom loving people have a voice in the party through Ron Paul Republicans.
I'd also be happy to see a wing of Ron Paul democrats like Bob Conley in SC. Point being, if we can't win Indy and Dr. Paul has no ambition to run indy, then we are stuck running Republican.
It sucks, but it seems the logical step. We can either choose to promote our own agenda within the party, as Bush has destroyed it, and just take it over or continue to lose elections. I've seen my own local GOP now open to Ron Paul ideas, especially on the economic side of things. It's a complete 180 course.
One of the differences we have in comparison to other factions of parties, we aren't in it for power or control over people, we are in it to see government restrained, and our freedoms expanded.
I'd love to see a 3rd party Ron Paul run, but it isn't going to happen. We don't even really have democracy, we have a mobocracy republicrat party system that we are probably stuck with until hell freezes over. For as much as I agree with Nader on so many things, Americas corrupt political system is going to blackball 3rd parties to maintain what power they have as proven for 20 years. Perot was a real scare to their dominance, and since the media has just learned to blackout the 3rd parties - problem solved.
And i've said it before, that Politics is about family history, Republicans want to be Republicans, and Democrats want to be Democrats. Most don't really know what they were voting for, only what supposed class they and their family belong to.
Even if the registration is growing indy, what indy parties are just going to split that vote? There are so many indy parties out there, and not all of them are for freedom and liberty.
Indy parties aren't going to be a reality until some of them actually start getting seats in congress, and I don't see anyone with a (L) next to their name in congress. Dr. Paul is really a (L/R)
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity should be our motto as Americans. Keep the American dream alive no matter how dark or difficult our circumstances seem.
Ron Paul is my President.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity. Not War, Welfare and Bankruptcy.
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