Obama, Like Bush, Just Doesn't Get It
By Jacob Hornberger
Published 06/06/09
President Obama is in Cairo to deliver a major address to the Muslim world, which no doubt will explain that the U.S. government loves the people of the Middle East and is doing all sorts of good things to them.
Alas, President Obama, like his predecessor, just doesn't get it. The reason that people in the Middle East are angry at the United States is because the U.S. government is over there. If the U.S. government wasn't involved in the Middle East, that would bring an end to the U.S. foreign-policy woes in that part of the world.
Or as Ron Paul put it so succinctly, "They attack us because we've been over there; we've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East. . . I'm suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it, and they are delighted that we're over there."
On the eve of Obama's visit to Egypt, which one of the U.S. government's authoritarian torture partners, Osama bin Laden released an audiotape warning of future terrorist attacks on the United States. In that tape, did bin Laden say that such attacks would be motivated by hatred for America's freedom and values? No. He said that such attacks would be motivated by the U.S. government's occupations and interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, which continue to kill, maim, and destroy.
Obama, like President Bush, thinks that it's all just a public-relations problem. We just have to get the message out that U.S. officials love Muslims. Once they get the message, the U.S. Empire will be able to impose its will throughout the Middle East.
And that's the core of the problem facing the American people. What business does the U.S. government have imposing its will on people who live thousands of miles away?
Indeed, what right did the U.S. government have to oust the democratically elected prime minister of Iran and replace him with an unelected dictator, the Shah of Iran?
What right did the U.S. government have to support Saddam Hussein and deliver weapons of mass destruction to him so that he could use them to kill Iranians?
What right did the U.S. government have to intervene in the Persian Gulf War, especially after signaling to Saddam Hussein that the United States had no interest in the border conflict between Iraq and Kuwait?
What right did the U.S. government have to impose brutal sanctions that took the lives of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children?
What right did the U.S. government have to establish "no-fly zones" over Iraq, which killed even more Iraqis?
What right did the U.S. government have to invade and occupy Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of more Iraqis, exiling millions more, and destroying the country?
This is what it's all about. This is what Americans are sacrificing their rights, their freedom, and their financial and economic well-being for -- the "right" of the U.S. Empire to impose its will on people thousands of miles away.
That's also what the kidnapping, the torture and sex abuse, the renditions, the secret prison camps, the kangaroo prosecutions, and the torture-partners are all about.
How can Americans honestly believe that it's worth it? Is empire so important that everything that Americans hold dear must be sacrificed to maintain it?
If Americans want perpetual war, perpetual fear, perpetual loss of liberty, perpetual terrorism, and perpetual economic and financial chaos, then all they have to do is continue supporting a pro-empire, pro-interventionist foreign policy.
On the other hand, if Americans wish to restore freedom, prosperity, and harmony to our land, the solution is there: immediately withdraw all imperial troops from around the world, especially in the Middle East, bring them home and discharge them, and restore a limited-government constitutional republic to our land. And free the American people -- i.e., the private sector -- to trade and interact with the people of the world, including those in the Middle East.
I'm sorry, but are you really that stupid?
or ignorant, that you believe that violence ever ends violence? Violence only and always begets more violence. This is aimed at Abby and her inane comment about violence needed to end violence, my browser acted up and put it at the top of the list instead of beneath her idiotic comment. I don't usually call people names but this is too much and I am cranky at all of the ignorance .
Please tell me how Obama's policies differ from Bush
- Extended wiretapping immunities beyond Bush
- Blocking special prosecutor for the Bush crimes
- Grown the war effort (don't just pay attention to troop count, he is privatizing war)
- New embassy's in Pakistan & Afghanistan to equal to size of Bagdad (bigger than the Vatican)
- Higher taxes across the board
- Bailouts, federalization
PLEASE tell me how his policies are different. I am all ears.
Yes they do get it... they
Yes they do get it... they are run by the same one world government elitist douchebags... they take orders.. obama has the same CFR /bilderberg/trilateral commision jerkweeds that Bush had... all with the same goal.. doesn't matter if you are republican or demodummy.. the president of the united states is run by the same people/organizations...
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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abby, you are clueless and
abby, you are clueless and BRAINWASHED. I feel sorry for you.
http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/576172
Obama BOMBS Pakistan.
He wants to invade Iran as well.
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Obama/McCain, It's All the Same...
Foreign Policy
- Both support an aggressive, interventionist foreign policy
- Both support the "Bush Doctrine" of preemptive war on sovereign nations
- Neither support scaling down the enormous expenditure of policing and occupying the world by closing any one of the 700 bases we have in over 140 countries worldwide
- Both will expand the war in Iraq into Afghanistan, Pakistan and Syria
- Both will expand U.N.
operations worldwide
- Both pay lip service to our continued support of Israel, while not mentioning the fact that we give 3 times as much monetary aid to its enemies
- Neither has mentioned the idea of not sending any monetary aid to other countries while the People of America suffer the consequences of a $1 trillion deficit and a $10 trillion + debt
- Both took an offensive stance against Russia, while supporting Georgia, the true aggressors in the Russian/Georgian conflict.. and of course neither has talked about just staying out of the situation all together
- Neither has taken anything, including a preemptive nuclear strike, off the table when dealing with Iran
- Neither support the humble, non-interventionist foreign policy that our Founding Fathers prescribed
Domestic Policy
- Both support the Patriot Act
- Both support the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act
- Both will increase Federal spending
- Both support the expansion of our borders 100 miles inland effectively creating a "Constitution Free Zone" that encompasses 2/3 of all Americans
- Neither plan to abolish any one of the unconstitutional or redundant departments of the Federal government
- Both support the militarization of our police
- Both support the construction of hundreds of FEMA controlled detention camps across the US
- Neither plan on reinstating the Constitutional principle of property rights as a way of combating pollution
- Both support amnesty for illegal immigrants
- Both support the North American Union
- Both support NAFTA, CAFTA and the WTO as opposed to truly free trade
- Neither support the 10th Amendment of our Bill of Rights by continuing the many unconstitutional programs and laws that do not fall under the authority of the Federal government
- Neither support a healthcare or education system controlled by the People as opposed to government bureaucracies and corporations
- Neither support states' rights in regard to drugs, education, abortion or marriage
- Neither support an un-infringed 2nd amendment
Economy
- Both support the unconstitutional Federal Reserve System
- Both support the redistribution of wealth via inflation
- Neither support free market solutions to our current economic situation
- Neither support Article 1 Sections 8 and 9 of the Constitution by continuing the confiscation of the People's money, gold and silver, in place of a FIAT currency system
- Both support an increased influence of such global government entities as the IMF and world bank
- Both supported the $850 billion+ Wall Street bailout bill (estimated to be 5 trillion dollars)<<<***********************************
- Both support expanding government intervention in our market
- Both support the income tax and 16th amendment
- Neither have alternative plans for the future of welfare programs such as Social Security, Medicare and Medicade but will both continue or even expand these programs that are bankrupting our nation
Miscellaneous
- Both have accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from banks, major corporations and lobbyists
- Both are supporters of the globalist Council on Foreign Relations
- Neither support continued investigations of the events of 9/11/01
- Neither believe in strict adherence to the Constitution
- Neither support holding charges against or the impeachment of President George W.
Bush for his blatant disregard of our Constitution and his breaking of so many laws thereof and international treaties
- Neither will grant full pardons to Ignacio Ramos or Jose Compean
- Both of their vice-presidential candidates plan to use more power than is vested in them by the Constitution
- Both believe the United States to be a Democracy as opposed to the Constitutional Republic that the Constitution and our Founding Fathers intended
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Both get paid by the same lobbyists
Thanks for the list. Very enlightening.
"Ye shall know them by their fruits" (Matthew 7:16)
Look,
I have neither the time, nor the inclination to address all your rhetoric, but I will tell you 1 thing - and this is from the heart:
In 2000, I watched Benezir Bhutto on Good Morning America, in an interview with Dianne Sawyer. Ms. Bhutto practically begged the American people for us to give aid to the poor in her country's society. She explained that some of her people had turned to working for the Taliban, rather than to watch their families go hungry and without any means of survival.
What would you do if your children were starving? Now the situation has gotten out of hand. The wars MUST be ended. If only more "soft power " had been offered earlier, but it was not. Now we must end the violence by using violence. It sucks, but there is a lesson to be learned here. Think about it.
. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
Aid goes to dictators. Period.
"Aid" is a compassionate facade for buying governments. Never does it reach the starving people. Non-profits do that. Our government buys other governments through "aid". The troops can be pulled right now. The tribes will stay tribes, and there will be unrest in the middle east as there has always been.
It's about "occupation". Obama now leads the occupation, and is expanding it. We are conquering sovereign nations under his rule. Same-old, same-old....
this is where you have a
this is where you have a person who is in direct opposition to Ron Paul.. Micheal should ban this abbyn.. no questions asked.. you want to root for a closet homosexual crack smoker then go ahead but not here.
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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sierra
Me thinks thou dost protest too much. lol!!
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THE USA does not need to end
THE USA does not need to end any violence.. let them settle it themselves.. the US sticking its nose in other nations affairs is what started it..
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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"Emergency War Powers Act?"
Who knows about this?
You know what amazes me is
that all blacks who support Obama also support slavery
because Obama is being told what to do by the banksters
who rule the world.
I am just amazed as for whites,hispanics and all other races
who support him because this man is a puppet for the
real powerful.
As for Bush Sr & Jr and Cheney and Rumsfield and Rice and Powell
there day is coming when the world will punish them all
for war crimes.
Just amazing !
" I will take REAL money and YOU
can have the change "
"Freedom is a right that can never be won in war,only by each individual "
Frankly, I think Bush and Obama are....
both about the worse presidents that we have had in history. Bush was/is just awful...but, Obama is continuing down the same path if not worse. More interventionism, more deaths, destruction of the currency, perpetual war, facism/socialism, social engineering, complete disregard of the constitution that he "swore" to uphold (twice), presiding over the largest national debt in history with spending ending no where in sight, nationalizing banks, insurance companies, car companies, illegal czars presiding over literally everything, elected by fraud (Acorn), (Diebold), FEC, destruction of the free markets, complicent in furthering Zionist rule over the middle east and other countries including our own (AIPAC), furthering globalism and global currency, the continuation of the Patriot Act and suspension of Habeus Corpus, escalation of the "police state", the list is endless....OBAMA? Obama will go down in history (after his trial), as one of the worse traitors in American history in my opinion....
For the scholars...Does the "Emergency War Powers Act" give o'bama the right to run roughshod over the U.S. Constitution? Any takers?
That's the problem, he does
That's the problem, he does get it. Nothing in Politics happens unless it was planned. This is all planned, blowing smoke up our arses, deflecting attention away from the past, present and future theft of our money. The name of the game is to destroy America and cave to the Banking Cartel/New World Order.
Besides, Obama is a Muslim, and is cowtowing to them. He is also not a US citizen, making the whole Federal Governemnt, Repukes and Demorats guilty of Treason!
"The price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance"- Thomas Jefferson
There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan
"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr
very good questions...
with very justifiable answers!
the problem is that obama does get it! but, what he "gets" is NOT the values that are best for the american people and the people of the world...what he "gets" are the values that are best for the central bankers and the nwo/cfr scum...he's following a script!
i challenge ANY obama supporter to tell me right now how he has even BEGUN to reverse the bush doctrine...
O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!
its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
For answers to you question,
How has Obama BEGUN to reverse the Bush doctrine:
1) page down to cammy's responses below
2) read ANY newspaper or other news source (EXCEPT those sources spewing with right wing propaganda)
3) open your eyes
4) WAKE UP!!!!!
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@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
ahhh...i scrolled down!
cammy has NO responses to my question (i ask you again, please tell them to me, if you can)
read ANY newspaper (yeah, i'll believe every word in it, too)...is that sarcasm on your part? read the papers?
you are sheep albeit a good little sheep...you will fight the hardest, longest, scream the loudest to protect your wolves, and taste the best win you are driven to slaughter...
we are still in iraq, afghanistan, going to pakistan, gitmo is still open (these are all the things WE campaigned AGAINST during the last election, by the way...the things OUR man unequivocally said he would immediately end)...
obama? phosphorus based missle launches under his watch, more killing innocent civilians (i'm sorry, collateral damage to you, right)...where is your stance on the wars we fund? the empire we maintain? obama, so far, has made NO change!
what happened to day one?
now its 6 months later....soon to be nearly a year...same ol' same ol'...
i asked you to point it out and all you did was point to "cammy"...well, cammy has nothing scrolled down to read...please, tell me how obama is different...
O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!
its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
I think it is pretty
I think it is pretty hilarious that you asked a direct, easily answerable question, "where is your stance on the wars we fund, the empire we maintain?", and the only response you get are insults and links to propaganda articles which explain nothing. In addition, the 100 days article conveniently ignores the missile launches and civilian killings that you mentioned. After living through all of the people skewering the last president and hearing such eloquent debates about how horrible the war and the foreign policy are, i was almost tricked into believing that at least these things would change. It appears that some people will live in denial for the rest of their lives. They will just keep reading articles that ignore the missile launches and praise the president's ability to talk to people over youtube.
I just don't understand the hesitancy to criticize a person that one may have voted for. If you supported him and what he campaigned on, then you are in the best position to change his mind when you find out that he lied to you. If Dr. Paul became the president and expanded the war and kept open the secret prisons, I know that we would be the first people to call him out and criticize his actions. So why are obama supporters so afraid to stand up for something they believe in for once? I am pretty sure Christopher Hitchens (the biggest supporter of the iraq war) is the only person in the country that voted for the president because he knew that he was actually pro-war. At least 90% of the people who voted for him must be anti-war, so why such a childish ignoring of an issue of such grave importance?
To answer your questions, ecorob
Since you obviously can't keep up with current events on your own, please allow me to point you in the right direction with these links:
In this series, APP compares Obama's first 100 days in office to other modern presidents who assumed the office following an administration of the other party. So the comparison group includes FDR, Eisenhower, JFK, Reagan, Clinton, and G.W.Bush.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/obama_in_action_viii_043009.php
President Barack Obama said on Monday he expected to create or save 600,000 jobs over the next 100 days...
http://www.mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/FullArticle/p.spr/CTO...
This is all to name just a FEW of the MANY ways in which Obama has BEGUN to reverse the inept doctrines of Bush.
As for what I previously tried to point out to you regarding cammy's comment: Obama has admitted to some mistakes the US has made while under the Bush administration. Admission of past mistakes, IMHO, is the first step toward correcting those mistakes.
Please try to keep up!
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lmao... you are a
lmao... you are a brainwashed fool... he has take bush's docrtines and ran with them.. expanding them and making them worse.. and you think nhe is undoing them? why hasn't he brought all the troops home like he promised.. why is he sending more troops to afghanistan? why are his bailouts far bigger? OBAMA SUCKS ... plain and simple. (and yes... bush sucked big ones too)..
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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That 100 days article is
That 100 days article is just more propaganda. It retells the Hoover/Roosevelt lie. This lie is propagated by the general ignorance of both of these president's policies, claiming once again that Roosevelt had some fundamentally different economic policy than his predecessor. This article was clearly written from the point of view of someone who thinks that massive unconstitutional action by the president is a positive thing. If the writer was honest, especially with his Roosevelt analogy, he would have mentioned that Roosevelt's policies (such as slaughtering pigs and burning cotton in order to keep prices high) made the depression worse for every year of his presidency.
The praise given to the president are related to silly non-issues, such as his ability to speak nicely over youtube and appear in public. On the issues that it mentions, including stem cells and Guantanamo, it does not present the full story. What the president has publicly stated and what he has actually signed into law on these issues are dramatically at conflict with each other.
I am afraid that you, the writer of this article, and most of the people who voted for the president are in constant denial of the differences between his public speech and his actual policies. The president's policies, as people here have tried to explain, are almost identical to the former president, and almost the opposite of what he says in public. Please do not be fooled by the propaganda. The last sentence of the article, where the author mentions the swine flu, is a perfect example of the nonsense that some people support. He would have praised any billions of dollars wasted "combating" swine flu, and certainly afterward would not have mentioned the other side of the story, which includes the unconstitutionality of the president's actions, all of that wasted money, and the fact that swine flu is a non-issue when compared to the regular flu, tuberculosis, or any of the other boring diseases that people just would rather not think about.
Also you probably aren't reading this so I am not going to respond to the 600,000 jobs article, but that is another example of something which is both a huge lie and also, even if it were true, would be bad economic policy.
Please read this article so you can wake up...
Watching Obama Morph Into Dick Cheney
http://original.antiwar.com/roberts/2009/05/20/watching-obam...
"Obama has not been in office four months and already a book could be written about his broken promises."
Ron Paul 2012 for Peace
Ron Paul 2012 for Peace
The ObamaBots are out in force tonight...
"When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers, and destroyers press upon them so fast, that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon the American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour. The revenue creates pensioners, and the pensioners urge for more revenue. The people grow less steady, spirited, and virtuous, the seekers more numerous and more corrupt, and every day increases the circles of their dependents and expectants, until virtue, integrity, public spirit, simplicity, and frugality, become the objects of ridicule and scorn, and vanity, luxury, foppery, selfishness, meanness, and downright venality swallow up the whole society."
--John Adams
SOUND FAMILIAR????????????
"The Constitution has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it."
--Lysander Spooner
Sound familiar??????
You betcha!!!!!!
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Of course Obama thinks its all a
public relations problem. PR is all he has in his bag of magic tricks.
The people of Egypt know exactly what the West represents.
I know that Resident Obama still has a bunch of Islamic people fooled I can only hope the entire world will start waking from the Obama Trance.
Ron Paul is my President.
Ron Paul is my President.
It really cracks me up
how a couple hundred people (DP) believe that they are right and the "entire world" is wrong! lol!!
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@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!
Do you
have a Che' t-shirt?
Ha ha, they'll probably take
Ha ha, they'll probably take that as a compliment. Those Che people don't realize what a mass murderer that guy was. All they know is he's a cool looking guy in a neat hat on a T shirt and that's all good to them.
couple hundred people?
http://www3.clustrmaps.com/counter/maps.php?url=http://www.d...
And by "rest of world" I think he meant the overall body of folks at large.
Do you claim that Daily Paul visitors are less dialed in to goings on than the average person??
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