Update: U.S. gives Flight 93 site landowners one week to sell
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/pa/20090606_U_S__gives_...
The federal government issued an ultimatum yesterday to people who own land designated for the Flight 93 memorial in Western Pennsylvania: They have one week to reach an agreement on the sale of their land or the government will initiate proceedings to seize it.
The order came hours after Interior Secretary Ken Salazar and U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter (D., Pa.) met with people who own 500 acres in and around the Shanksville area, where Flight 93 crashed on Sept. 11, 2001, and with victims' relatives eager to see the memorial built in time for the 10th anniversary of the terrorist attacks.
"After meeting with the landowners and the Park Service today, I have high hopes that the parties are close to agreement and will be able to reach consensus over the land in the next week so we can keep the memorial on track without using eminent domain," Salazar said. "Only if the parties are not able to reach agreement will we have to use the last resort of eminent domain to acquire land."
Kendra Barkoff, Salazar's spokeswoman, said the deadline was essential to keep the construction on track. He directed National Park Service officials to meet with landowners early next week and report to him by Friday.
The decision by the National Park Service last month to pursue eminent domain touched off fierce criticism in an area where local residents have been deeply involved in efforts to plan the park and establish and staff the temporary memorial at the crash site. Two local members of the Flight 93 Federal Advisory Commission were so angry about the government's seizure plans that they resigned.
Tim Lambert, who owns 163 acres immediately adjacent to the crash site, said he was heartened that Salazar met with the landowners.
"Never at any point before did the National Park Service sit down with landowners," said Lambert, who wants to donate six acres to the park. "I am optimistic that if both sides sit down we could reach agreement within days."
But others, like Pat Svonavec, whose family owns 275 acres at the site, does not believe the timetable allows for thorough negotiations.
"I'm going to give them, certainly, the benefit of the doubt," Svonavec said. "I want to be a realist. I don't think there's enough time."
Victims' relatives say a quick resolution is needed in order to complete the $58 million memorial in time for groundbreaking on Sept. 11.
"We're pushing it now," said Patrick White, vice president of the Families of Flight 93, whose cousin Louis Nacke of Bucks County was aboard the plane. "What we heard today was that they are committed to the time line; that was their overarching message."
Last week, the Park Service acquired about 950 acres for the park from a coal company, the single largest acquisition.
One way or another, landowners will receive fair market value for their properties, Salazar said. Complicating the appraisal process is the abundance of natural resources above and below the land: timber, coal, and natural gas.
The park would be dedicated to the memory and heroism of the 40 passengers and crew who lost their lives when the hijacked plane crashed in Shanksville, 65 miles southeast of Pittsburgh. Specter and Salazar said yesterday the park design should also recognize the contributions of the landowners.
This sounds strangely familiar
So they want to spend tens of millions of dollars for a monument that about 35-40% of the people actually believe represents what happened that day?
This sounds strangely familiar: Build "attractions" for people to consume and do everything you can to make them experience gut-wrenching pain for an event that happened a long, long time ago. People begin to forget what really happened and they look to you as the expert in this tragedy. Before you leave the "attraction" they will ask for a donation or simply sell you books, etc. to help ensure the place will perpetuate its insane lies until the end of time.
Now who else has done such a thing? Building museums everywhere, asking for money, continuously drumming up very questionable stories to promote their agenda?
When will people EVER wake up?
Even if this had been a real crash, caused by guys with knives
Why does the government need 950 + 275 + 163 + more acres to build a "memorial" ? That is a huge amount of land, the Magic Kingdom and Disney World is only 107 acres. How many 10's of thousands are there each day? So why do they need all this land? What are they really going to do there?
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So what happened?
Did they have to sell? It's been two months now.
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Way to pay attention to the dates Mike!
Any PA posters, know what's going on?
WOW
"Two local members of the Flight 93 Federal Advisory Commission were so angry about the government's seizure plans that they resigned."
Why have a memorial, when our planes shot FL93
down?
Enough of the lies,do you really have to take American property to keep the lie alive.
I guess they do & PA needs to FIGHT THIS to the END.
Is a PA Campaign for Liberty ALL OVER THIS? Please link.
Holy Crap
I can't even believe this bilge. Speechless...
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the government can never fairly negotiate
In a manner that would anyway resemble negotiation between two private properties. Why? Eminent Domain. Imagine the hypothetical scenario that you go to a mortgage lender and youre trying to settle the terms to be as favorable as possible for yourself. I doubt your lender will immediately agree to terms that dont allow it to profit as greatly as it would if it were someone else negotiating. Lets say then that you firmly insist that the terms be drawn up a certain way, because youd hate to have to take out your shotgun from the sack youre carrying, point it at the agent, take the contract and write in your own terms, then demand the agent sign the contract before youre able to comfortably remove that shotgun off the negotiating table.
There is no incentive for a government to properly negotiate, eminent domain is a sadistically 'democratic' principle that has little to no legitimized place in a republic. "The public wants this, so we'll pretend to negotiate until we have no time left and then we'll take it for what we think we should pay and to hell what you think".
In short, your belongings are never really yours, you just have the governments grace to possess what you will outside of what is of interest to them.
and the blood pressure spills over the top.
for 58 million dollars...
you could build two of Cedar Point's biggest rides with several million in change left over:
http://rcdb.com/id3570.htm
http://rcdb.com/id594.htm
So for 58 million, they are taking land and putting up a rock of some sort with a passenger list on it. Seems like the money would be better spent on giving the land some absolutely wicked coasters. At least that way more people would come. "Flight 93: The Ride"
Great points made below.
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Huh?
58 Million.... Wake me up. Pinch me. Yell... Scream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
58 Million dollars for a memorial? What the F&%#? What the hell are they building? An underground city? Why does it take 58 Million dollars to build a monument? This county is all done with. The government has to go. They suck! Who voted for this? Was this in the Obomanation Stimulus Bill? This Obomanomics has to stop!
The one guy who is donating land for this is outright stupid. They are going to spend 58 million...and he won't get a cent.
What a bunch of MORONS!
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$$$$$$$$$AUDIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE$$$$$$$$$$
WHAT THE F&%# INDEED!
DOLLARS BUDGETED FOR STUPID FLIGHT 93 MEMORIAL = $58M
TOTAL DOLLARS SPENT INVESTIGATING 9-11 = $13M
SIZE OF FLIGHT 93 CRATER = 15' x 30' (think that's what the reporter said)
ESTIMATED SIZE OF STUPID FLIGHT 93 MEMORIAL = 1500 ACRES (or so)
ARE YOU F&%#ING KIDDING ME?!!??!??!?!??!?
Wonder if they'll use the same company that built the Georgia guidestones. Wouldn't surprise this guy...
10 bucks says they will "erect" another penis statue (aka obelisk):
http://zerogravity.lisondra.net/images_rants/2008/q3/yosi_6.jpg
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Seriously though, this is exactly what I was thinking while reading this article. Also, the people who are angry that the owners won't sell is preposterous. It doesn't bother them (until eminent domain is called for their own home).
Stories like this are what boil my blood. Stimulus packages, wire-tapping, refusal to investigate. Those are really, really bad, don't get me wrong, but they are so ..... overwhelming that it's hard to get worked up about everytime they are mentioned. This, this will piss me off every single time I think about it.
They are no longer out for putting "the American taxpayer" in a bind, now they are personally affecting people.
Ugh, disgusting
As a side note, when did you and I just become "taxpayers"? Seems like that's all I hear on the news now-a-days. "The American taxpayer..." this and "taxpayer" that. Aren't we people, not just a blank check.
spread the wealth (WHILE THERE IS SOME LEFT )
This is infrastructure . Exactly a waste of money at this time..OH it will give a couple jobs for a year but then who pays the wasted bill ? No profit plan , Infrastructure..
you-no
so lame
Build a useless memorial on a site where no one knows what happened to "ensure we never forget", but underfund the official investigation to ensure we never find out what actually happened that we are never to forget...and oh yeah- steal the land from American citizens in order to do it. Weak.
2200 acres for a memorial ?
A memorial to an event that may not have actually even happened.
Imagine if they wanted 2200 acres of New York City for a similar memorial !
Fair market prices
would be the prices of land in 2001.
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what a joke...... buy it up
what a joke...... buy it up so no one can investigate..
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They are after some 1500 acres?
Quess those bomb fragments can travel .
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