Swedish Pirate Party wins seat. Do away with Patent and Copyright laws!
Submitted by Invalid10 on Mon, 06/08/2009 - 01:42
Yes! my political party. The Pirate Party!
Political Party working for the abolition of Patent and Copyright laws.
Sweden's Pirate Party captures Euro seat
TOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden's Pirate Party, striking a chord with voters who want more free content on the Internet, won a seat in the European Parliament, early results showed on Sunday.
The Pirate Party captured 7.1 percent of votes in Sweden in the Europe-wide ballot, enough to give it a single seat. The party wants to deregulate copyright, abolish the patent system and reduce surveillance on the Internet.
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The Case Against Intellectual Monopoly
Economists Michael Boldrin and David Levine make, I think, a very compelling case against intellectual property. Their entire book Against Intellectual Monopoly is available for free at
http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstnew.htm
From music, to books, to patents on new inventions, to pharmaceuticals this book confronts and rebuts every major argument for IP that you've heard before. Their bottom line: without IP 'protections' producers of creative works would still get paid, innovations would occur at a faster pace, and the material wealth these innovations produced would be distributed ever more widely.
Also check out Stephen Kinsella's book Against Intellectual Property also for free at http://mises.org/books/against.pdf
You get the feeling from reading these works that, surprise, surprise, some people will use government to grant them special privledges and/or handicap their competition.
So three cheers for the "Pirates"; though I doubt one seat out of 735 in the EU Parliament will do much good.
Nonetheless I would encourage everyone to take a peak into these works.
Both are well worth reading but I think Boldrin and Levine's Against Intellectual Monopoloy is a better read. Enjoy Matey!
This is very interesting
subject not sure how I feel about it. I see problems on both ends of this issue. Thanks for sharing this with us.
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Their rise and main point if u have been following them here is
That the people have had enough with the pirate bay trial, followed by IPRED (Giving private companies the ability to demand money and get records from ISP´s without a court order, giving them police authority), Telecom laws in the EU that restrict internet freedom, FRA ( Spying online on citizens ) among other things...This is a very good thing unless you like the government reading emails and spying on you and limit your internet freedom.
They were the biggest party in ages 18-30 and considering these are the points they will fight for, means a whole new generation will understand the value of internet freedom.
I find this quite hopeful.
/Mike
Front Fell Off
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/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
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People want CHANGE they can believe in and that ain't the GOP.
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Not unless...
We Ron Paul Republicans CHANGE the GOP.
I spent this last saturday at a party sponsored "Drive the Discussion" town hall event for republicans to give feedback to the state and national party...We Owned It!!!!
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Not gonna to happen
Example: Sarah Palin. Where did the GOP find Sarah? It's pretty apparent Sarah Palin was groomed... a mother of five does not go from the PTA to gov of a state, without help, and Alaska, with HAARP and it's gold, timber, fish, ,,, was not an easy state to take... but they took it by neocons outting the cons with bogus arrests, and look what they did to Stevens. And you have Arnold Kennedy nee Schwartzenegger... who you will NOT stop from getting in the WH when he decides to time to push Obama and open the door for himself under the GOP banner, run by many "leaders" as in fishing lines, that will act as a net to keep it a duopoly in place... Arnold is the mavrick and he's GOP you can't defeat because the neoliberals are on his side... not the GOPs.
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I have to say...
I agree with the letter of almost all of your posts, but I do not agree with the spirit of them. This is just my opinion, so take it or leave it.. I am nothing to you, as it should be.
However, if you project that everything out there is negative and nothing is going to change that, then nothing will. If you think that that the world is doomed and we're done, that's all well and good for you, but it doesn't help us at all.
I'm not talking about suddenly deciding that the world is unicorns and angels... but something positive will help more than just more negative.
An opinion, as always.. and nothing more.
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No government intervention, right?!
Companies should be responsible for guarding their own secrets. It's the price they pay for wanting a free market.
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disagree
Why are drug patents only 20 years (rally more like 10 years) yet a book can be sold and passed on down the generations?
It's all arbitrary. Who has the strongest lobbyist to get themselves a government monopoly.
I think existing patents and copyrights should be honored to a degree but that we need to phase all of them out along with the complete destruction of the U.S. Government for that matter a return the national defense to the States and the militias.
You're a bit off
Copyrights are not indefinite. I think it's the author's life plus 75 years. (They keep changing the copyright laws; it used to be 28 years, renewable once for another 28).
Eventually your wish will come true. Everything will eventually become Public Domain (or PD). That is why you can put on a production of Shakespeare or G.B. Shaw, or Ibsen or Checkov, and not pay any royalties. The copyright has expired.
Great victory for internet privacy and freedom.
Will put some pressure on the other parties and the next national election 2010.
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
Congratulations!
Got 7,9% and almost two seats, and no. 2 is a 21 year old female student.
Now the third largest party in Sweden after being founded in 2006 only and represent the majority among the 18-29 year olds!
I notice there is an international party movement and establishment now: http://www.pp-international.net
The current base is good to attract geeks and young people, pro-civil liberties and libertarian, but would have to address more issues eventually, like economics, foreign policy etc. It seems they do not want to be in the traditional "left-right" scheme, so perhaps best to make a generally libertarian platform eventually, also on economics, smaller govt. and less bureocrasy and regulation.
My View
I am a writer; and in the past I wrote scripts and music for the theatre. I obviously want to protect my material against someone just taking as their own. It has happened in the past.
There are a lot of people who work hard at creating new books, poems, inventions and so on. They should be allowed the rewards of their efforts. Had they not written the book, or the song, it would not exist.
Not anymore
I am not a writer, but I do art, and since writing is an art, wou might know that there is a war going on in the arts, creation Vs evolution. These laws are based on evolution, they claim, there is nothing new or being created, humans.. like Ida, are apes, who evolve... In arts, they copy others and may be inspired, but that inspiration is not anything the human created, but the dots they connected to evolve..
This last election, street artist, Sheppard Fairey had his, Obama "Hope", poster selected for Obama's campaign. The photograph of Obama, Fairey used was that of an AP photographer, who didn't care that Fairey used his picture, but AP sued. Corporations helped Fairey by giving him executive of design jobs, but I don't read much about him.. but I watch becasue he is on hte cutting edge of what's happening in courts.
In the music industry, the Grateful Dead allowed taping, unlike the majority of bands. While the Grateful Dead were not on Billboards top charts, they were the kings of the road. Their record sales were sorry, but there concerts have an overspill of tens of thousands in the parking lot, which the Dead proffited off Tee shirt and product sales. The Dead BEAT the middle men, and now you know how they did it, of course all the marijuana helped I'm sure.
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Slight difference
As far as creating an original work is concerned, the factor of time separates everything. New books, new songs, new poems, etc., may bear the influence of past works and that's part of the process. Creativity feeds on itself and expands. New, original works, come forth every day.
The Fairy graphic of Obama is interesting. He ought to have gotten clearance from AP, in writing, before he did his design. He would have prevented the mess. AP owns the photo and the photographer has no say, since he was working for AP. Fairey was probably naive about how things work.
That said, you can copy anything and make a nice graphic, or song. The problems come when you go public and try to make money with it. If you make new recordings of all the Beatles' songs, you might have fun doing it. But if you try to sell your recording without getting clearance, and paying a lot of royalties, then you are going to get slammed.
It was nice of the Grateful Dead to allow people to record their shows, but that is not my point. If you, or anyone, decided to claim that 'Truckin'" was your property and you went out and recorded it, without paying a royalty, you'd be sued. The copyright laws protect the work and its author, and they are good. They work well.
As well The Writers' Guild offers protection that is a little better than copyright. A friend of mine wrote a screenplay; then later he found out it was in production with a different title. He sued, won, and got half a million in damages.
Well
I'm not blaming anyone who takes advantage of things, but there is no reason we couldn't phase all this out slowly I think.
See my post above
All copyrights will eventually end, and the works will become Public Domain. I *think* it's the lifetime of the author (creator) plus 75 years, but am not sure about the details.
If you're really curioius, you can look it up on Wiki.
I agree completely zen...
I agree completely zen...
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http://mises.org/
No
You own a Xerox machine. Why should the government be able tor regulate what you do with it?
A Xerox and a computer is REAL property. The government has in violate real property to enforce a government granted monopoly on fake property.
I'm fine with honoring existing copyright and patent laws for a short period say 10 more years, but it needs to be phased out and no new ones should be granted.
No government granted monopolies.
No..he owns the Xerox AND
No..he owns the Xerox AND the mind and talent that he takes the time to write...why should you get it for free..and when you do..what incentive does he have to write another song or book? Pirate all you want..but when there's nothing left to pirate I hope you enjoy all the old stuff...cuz I wouldn't put my heart and soul into something just to have it taken for free...Don't get me wrong..I download things too..But to say that people shouldn't be able to have their works protected is crazy...
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If I wrote a book,
I would want to ensure that I reap the benefits from it for longer than ten years, sorry. I might have spent my life (and, most likely, my money) researching the topic.
You just want something for free and, frankly, your argument makes you sound like a politician.
Owning a microphone doesn't mean you should be allowed to install it in my home and listen to what goes on just because my family is more entertaining than yours.
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no
Why are drug patents only 20 years (rally more like 10 years) yet a book can be sold and passed on down the generations?
It's all arbitrary. Who has the strongest lobbyist to get themselves a government monopoly.
I think existing patents and copyrights should be honored to a degree but that we need to phase all of them out along with the complete destruction of the U.S. Government for that matter a return the national defense to the States and the militias.
I disagree.
I think Howard Roark would as well.
"I came here to say that I do not recognize anyone's right to one minute of my life. Nor to any part of my energy. Nor to any achievement of mine. No matter who makes the claim, how large their number or how great their need. I wished to come here and say that I am a man who does not exist for others."
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Ayn Rand
Ayn Rand was a Statist in her own right. She was completely wrong about patent and copyright laws. She tended to base her beliefs on the U.S. Constitution, and she even believed a strong military was a rational use of government and an ideal form. Besides her books seem to be about the cult of herself more than anything else.
We need to go back to an Icelandic Freestate type government or a medieval Ireland where we have competing governments not a GIANT FEDERAL government that is granting people monopolies in the form of fake property.
"She was completely wrong about patent and copyright laws."
And the "Pirate Party" has worked it all out -- "let's just take it comrades!"
I still stand by the quote made by the character in her book.
Really, I respect your right to believe whatever you want but I'm working on restoring the Constitution, not Icelandic freestatism.
Maybe in my next life.
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Icelandic freestatism? You
Icelandic freestatism?
You do realise this party is in Sweden not Iceland.
No
We're talking about REAL property defended by force not fake property not and not stealing stuff.
I own a Xerox machine so I should get to do what I want with it. simple concept. The Xeroc machine and my computer are real. The stuff I might copy on it is just ideas and information flow.
Also government should be by consent. If you don't like your government, you form your own or join a different one just like medieval ireland free-state that had thousands of governments all going at once. We're not talking about stealing anything here. How are you going to enforce Patent laws on someone without a GIANT Government making them use his computers and Xerox machine only in the manner the government wants? You can't.
Mises has a lot of articles on the need to do away with Patent and Copyright laws.
People don't patent how to plow a field in a certain way do they? See it's all arbitrary.
Right now business groups are lobbying congress to get a new type of patent on "business practices" so if a business copies their methods, they can sue them. Do you support that? Why not it's no different than other patent and copyright laws since they came up with it.
These are government granted monopolies and nothing more.
Comparing apples to oranges.
Comparing apples to oranges. An idea is not a patten an actually work is property. If I write a book on how to plow a field you do not have the right to take my book and copy it on your xerox and then sell my book. You are free to write your own book about the issue but you have no right to steal my work.
Same with music. If I write a song that took me 20 years to write you are saying you have the right to take my song and sell it without my permission? NO, that is my work and my property.
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Well I don't consider it stealing. I guess we can agree to disagree. I believe in complete freedom of information flow and the right to REAL property rights namely computers, xerox etc so long as you aren't killing someone or participating in a real crime.
I actually think that these big brother laws aimed at stopping piracy like Cornyn's bill that mandated ISP providers save every word you type violate of their rights and our rights. In other words they are violating REAL property in order to protect fake property for these monopolies of information.
You can't enforce information flow without big brother at work.
We need a TRUE free internet.
Sounds like you've got it all worked out.
I recommend renaming your party "The Too Cheap To Pay A Buck On iTunes Party".
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