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Global Temperatures Chart 2500 BC to 2040 AD - Al Gore is not Happy About It



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That model can argue for climate change

You can see before industrialization the climate did change with long periods of sustained warming or cooling trends. In the past 150 years there have been two sharp spikes and does not sustain their temperature over a long period of time. I was taking an ecology course about four years ago and the teacher wasn't arguing for global warming-she was arguing for climate change. The increase in modulation between extremes in temperature. So you see now they've got the argument sown up if you argue against global warming-they'll come back with 'climate change'.

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a note on co2

CO2 is not the major greenhouse gas. More important is water vapor, whose production cannot be human induced. CO2 represents only the 0,03% of the atmosphere and it seems very hard to believe that, even doubling its amount, carbon dioxide can affect our planet with global catastrophes.

Warming causes CO2 to increase

CO2 does not cause warming!

Warming causes CO2!

The globalist taxers have it backwards, and the propaganda machine is cranking away...

Very interesting comment, but...

do you have a link to your source for this notion? I would like to read up on it. It would change the entire debate if this was true, wouldn't it?

Thanks in advance.

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Fossils Rock!

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

here, bugman

CO2 Growth Rate Lags Temperature by 6-9 months:

http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2008/12/co2-growth-rate-lags-...

Here's a starter. I've read this several times too.

That increases in CO2 are the result of increased warming because warmer water cannot hold as much CO2 as colder. Dig around a bit, I know the info is available.

Ice Core Evidence

This is the chart that is indisputable. It tells me that humans have increased the CO2 levels in the atmosphere drastically. And CO2 Vs. Tempurature correspondance points to warming for now.

This chart was derived from the Antarctic ice cores and the evidence goes back 800,000 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Co2-temperature-plot.svg

wiki has this posted but it was not created by them.

Ahahahahahah

Wikipedia. LOL. Oh man. That's rich.

Very convincing....

UNLESS you plot a chart that includes true geological history. This doesn't. 800,000 years is a blink of the eye geologically speaking. If you plotted a chart back 100 MILLION years, and it didn't spike up this high, then I'd be 100% in agreement with you!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not sure you're wrong, I'd just like to see a complete data set to consider this real scientifically conclusive evidence.

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Fossils Rock!

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

solar cycles

nobody mentioned this variable, I don't think..
http://www.solarstorms.org/

So if two guys say it's so...

it must be so. Just like Albert Forrest Gore's stance that there is no room for debate-CASE CLOSED!
I guess that means that BHO is God, because more than one person believes it is true.
The Earth has been warming and cooling forever, just look at the Vikings.
I'm still trying to figure out how my breath is a poisonous gas to the environment. I realize I may not always have the best breath, but jeez, an environmental concern, and causing Global Warming? Am I the only one that sees this as absolute lunacy?

I have honestly seen so many

I have honestly seen so many different charts, graphs, and statistics about global warming that I do not know what to believe anymore. The science is such a mess that I have basically given up researching it. I watch a documentary and then one pops up to disprove it. AHH!!
anyone have any legitimate sources?

Do you think global climatic weather in unpredictable?

Bingo , you are correct. Now don`t mess with Mother Nature just enjoy.

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Geology 101

Evidence for warming and cooling climates are preserved in the rocks throughout geological history. Warming causes sea level to rise by melting the ice caps, and you have the fossils of ocean critters preserved in Kansas, for example. This is one reason bible thumpers think there was a "Great Flood".

Cooling causes the polar regions to freeze, tying up more seawater, and the shoreline regresses. Then we find beach sand in oil wells 100 miles or more from today's current shoreline.

There are other ways that geology shows us climatic changes, but these are the no brainers. Of course, you need to have "faith" that science knows what it's talking about, and that the earth is as old as scientists think. Highly debated here at DP.
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Fossils Rock!

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

yep.

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you are so full of crap your

you are so full of crap your eyes are brown... so polar ice caps melting brought sea creatures all the way to kansas??? that is laughable.. where do you come up with this rediculous garbage? GLOBAL WARMING IS PURE BULL SH!T..... only morons beleive it occurs.. or more to the point only idiots and imbecils think it is caused by man.. wake up dude.. I think you have been brainwashed so bad you will never come out of your stuper!
If you were a true geologist or anthropologist you would know that those 2 sciences prove the bible.. the evidence is massive..

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

ahhh...

spoken like a true holy man. Go get those sinners!

Good Golly Pete.

I'd get my 3rd grader to explain it to you but he's at baseball practice. I'll make it simple with just one good example from the Cretaceous, let's go back 80 million years:

1) Temperature rose for whatever reason, volcanoes, etc.
2) Ice caps melted, providing water to the oceans
3) Sea level rose, the oceans covered most of what is now North America with ocean environment
4) The critters that normally lived in the ocean in the Gulf of Mexico, moved to the water over what is now Kansas
5) They died, their skeletons were buried and remain today right there in the outcrops in Kansas. Geology 101

The critters did not come down from the ice caps. My point is to support the notion that global warming is not man made, because it's been happening for hundreds of millions of years. Oh, now I get it, you think that humans walked the earth with all critters, trilobites and dinosaurs from the beginning of time, now it makes sense. For somebody who calls other people stupid... jeez, man, you are the pot calling the kettle black.

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Fossils Rock!

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

dimwit.. the earth is not 80

dimwit.. the earth is not 80 million years old.. the 2nd law of thermo dynamics destroys the the evolution theory.. Second.. the reason why we have found fossils of sea creatures in kansas and even in the mountains of Colorado is because the earth was covered with water.. the water was a result of noahs flood.. so genius, when fossils of sea creatures are found in the rocky mountains, how high was the water? a water level that high would have covered the whole earth.. get a grip bugdung.. you are wrong.. and I sure feel sorry for your 3rd grader.. hopefully someone will get the truth to him soon.

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

You're right, the earth isn't 80

million years old, it's roughly 4.5 billion. 80 was the example from the Cretaceous.

So, are you saying that the water was high enough to cover the Rocky Mountains? I doubt even you would be that foolish.

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Fossils Rock!

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

I hope you are joking NAOHS FLOOD!!! AHHHH HAHAHAHA!

"Hell is truth seen too late...duty neglected in its season."- Tryon Edwards

"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."

don't TOTALLY laugh. the flood DID happen.

the bible is missing some MAJOR parts of the story is all.

There were MANY

floods throughout geological history that covered the continents, not just one big Noah's flood. Most were before humans evolved.
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Fossils Rock!

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

Oh Sierrrrrraaaaa....

No response? Don't worry, I'd be embarrassed to if I looked as foolish as you did with that last reply. Get yourself a Geology for Dummies book, for Pete's sake.
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Fossils Rock!

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

ah ...

but what if those old civilizations were actually more advanced than we are now ... and we have just gone through several major ELE's?

ramtha and the hopi are quite clear on how many times its occured and why and the archeological and geological evidence matches.

a good book is 'forbidden archeology'.

what i'm saying ... this particular round ... global warming is caused by humans.

Are you saying..

that humans and these other critters from the Cretaceous co-existed? Just that they may have been more advanced? I guess they'd have to not bury their dead and erase all evidence of their existence.

No evidence of humans have ever been found in the fossil record.

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Fossils Rock!

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No.

What she is saying is that there have been more than one technologically advanced civilization in the last 50,000 years or so.

Hell, the Hopi have been carrying thier two tablets around for almost that long, according to not only thier history, but a carbon-dating of the tablets.

However, most people just want to think that civilization just came along the last few thousand years... technology the last few hundred.

Let's just conveniently forget any evidence to the contrary and call it a historical abnormality. shall we?

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Interesting...

thanks for clearing that up. I'm uneducated on those technologically advance civilizations, what is the evidence that they were there? How do we know about them. What do you consider 'tech.. advanced' ?

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Fossils Rock!

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pretty hard to know but we have some clues.

prior to blowing up the stratum with lasers ... space travel was the norm.

and not rinky dink spaceships like nasa has.

as ramtha tells it ... earth, 35,000 years ago had a stratum like venus has right now.

the alateans broke the stratum with laser weapons FAR superior to the weapons we have now.

there were two major things going on that the alateans were addressing.

they were warring with the inhabitants on the moon (can't recall if they were also warring with the people on mars at this time) and they were also using the laser weapons to try and get a handle on the little dinosaur problem. the dinosaurs were encroaching into the cities.

ram describes the stratum of a planet ... to be similiar to the womb of a woman before the water breaks before childbirth.

earth also had two moons at that time. sitchin describes why we don't anymore.

the sunlight effect was interesting due to the stratum. light was diffused ... not at all what we experience now. there were no seasons.

when the stratum broke, the rains came immediately and they didn't stop.

the ice in regions came immediately as we know. there are records of animals with food still in their mouth and food undigested in their stomachs.

ram was living in the pacific northwest at the time. that is old lemuria.

him and his family and many lemurians treked all the way down the coast, across the swamps of mexico all the way to the city of oni (sp?) of atlantis. atlantis is our antarctica. and yes, mexico was a swamp in those times.

the lemurians are the famous giants. bones which are found all along that trek.

long story .... but ramtha marched an army of 2 million strong from antarctica through russia ... eventually ending his march in india.

there are remains all along the path of that march.

the remains are discussed in 'forbidden archeology'.

we also have a little problem with our carbon dating method due to the fact that prior to 35,000 years ago there was no direct sun. only diffused sun. that changes aging.

ram also says that there was a higher nitrogen content in the air(?) ground(?) everything was bigger.

ram is short for his nationality ... he is only 8 feet tall. that is due to his mixed race. he is half lemurian and half atlatean.

the lemurians were the giants. i blab on about that here: http://hiddenplaces.org/main/node/504

That is a rather huge topic....

and is part of Hopi history. Nobody is educated on this, because in the past we have only spoken about it in our two visits to the UN.

They did not listen, of course. It is not accepted science.

However, the evidence has been preserved and is right in front of you, if you look at historical abnormalities that science does not deal with because it does not fit into thier pet theories.

By tech I mean that the last two ~advanced~ civilizations bombed themselves back into the stone age with weapons that came from the sky, left a mushroom cloud, were described as the ~heart of the sun~ and the people that lived through it and drank the water died after thier teeth and hair fell out.

I'll leave it up to you to come to a conclusion as to the weapons... I've just given you a description that has been passed down. That was not the only tech... just the the tech that restarted the climb to what you would call civilization.

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~