Here is the video you have been waiting for, 72 year old grandma tased
Submitted by doctor011 on Tue, 06/09/2009 - 16:33
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/09/new-video-shows-offic... Please overlook the neo con puppet heads. The video sounds to me that she has consented to signing the ticket . She did dare him good thing it was not a double dog dare. The cop has a short fuse needs to go! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbnoDkS36Dc
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Back up anyone?
If he was truly felt like the public's safety was at risk or that she truly deserved to be charged with an offense (therefore an arrest was necessary), he should have called for back up.
The mere presence of another officer would have made her comply most likely.
Or, when she said, "I'll sign it" he could have let her and diffused the whole thing. (but his ego had been damaged...and he had a taser)
Or, he could have said, "OK fine lady don't sign the ticket...it's still valid...have a nice day."
But no. He had to "win" the conflict with the unruly citizen. He cannot have his authority questioned. That is a shame.
His job is not about his authority but rather the protection of the citizens.
Finally, what is a constable doing making traffic stops? I have seen them do this in downtown Austin...with very unprofessional, aggressive body language I might add..but that is a different story. (maybe not so different)
Shock Torture and Battery? For what again??
Oh, yeah. She was mouthy. That's a great reason for shock torture and battery.
This cop is a full blown dummy. The civilian is an idiot too. I am totally on the idiot grandma's side, however. She didn't beat, torture, or threaten anyone with violence.
All avoidable if there
All avoidable if there wasn't revenue generating "speed limits".The purpose for such limits are disguised as public safety,when in actuality it is a mean to collect money from individuals.Federal mandated speed limits through blackmailing the states to comply.By that the roads are owned by government and people are allowed to operate on them by the rules they set,and are not owned by the public.
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Tazer didn't work so Cop shot and killed......
http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story/Family-Outraged-After-O...
Would knocking her to the ground and handcuffing her been
any better?
While I believe it was terrible that a 72 year old woman was tased...she could have avoided it by listening to what she was being told.
Hasn't Dr. Paul said on numerous occasions...that people have to take responsibility for their actions.
Well, this women s actions resulted her in being tased.
Her actions did not cause him to use that weapon
She was being a firecracker, but the cop DECIDED to taze her, she did not cause the tazer to jump out of its holster and shock her. Rather, she pissed off a big pussy and he got so scared that he felt the need to use shock torture. What if she had died?
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You are
entitled to your opinion. However, my opinion is she should have listened to what she was being told. In doing so she could have avoided escalating a simple traffic stop.
Get in line
take a number. He Cactus1010 bend over shut your mouth don't complain I'm butt raping you and if you get testy with me I'll taze your ass.
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Are you
incapable of making a point without being crude and insulting?
Do you believe Ron Paul would be proud of comments like yous?
Octobox....
I understand you have been training police in defensive tatics for 20 years. Maybe this is the problem, too much testosterone. I don't know the answer, but one thing most of these video's have in common is a complete lack of communication skills. Are the police trained in verbal and non verbal communication? How did the police handle an unruly grandmother in the 70's? Maybe it was the choke hold, which was ruled lethal and since replaced by the zaper. It just baffles me to see an older lady tazed when in reality all the cop had to do was leave the ticket with her, signed or not, and go on his merry way. There is just no justification for this incident escalating into a tazer scene.
Kinsjon: Hahahahaha
I'm saying they are "under trained" -- false confidence -- fat and lazy.
I teach non-lethal defensive tactics -- not putting 72 year olds in choke holds, hahahaha.
If you knew me personally you would not even joke about that -- but, I've earned a certain rapport here on DP.
I HATE the taser, because it's lobbied into position.
I LOVE less-than-lethal innovation
I HATE the abdication of self-rule by the civilian more than anything else -- Cops are raised by civilians not in a vacuum.
The "PC" (political correctness) of it all comes out of the civilian population.
40 years of Liberal Collegiate General Education -- 40 years of Liberal Fascist Educational System
I mean -- law makers and their liberal minions are calling for "fat" protectionism, hahahaha.
Octobox
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
One question about this ---
This lady was driving through a construction zone and speed limit is 45 mph. To my understanding of the law if no highway workers are present, you can drive the normal speed limit. Just wondering if anyone around the area has info of active highway work there or if that law was changed. We have many of these construction zones on our highways and many times no workers on the site. Maybe the Travis County Chamber of Commerce should hear that people do not fee safe to travel there to spend money. Seems with all the serious crimes in that area peace officers could better use their time keeping the peace instead of creating tax revenue through ticketing and tasing.
+/- 1 Octobox
She was making that copper's job diificult ( it's in the job description)... in fact, she was likely resisting arrest. That will be for the jury to decide. Thankfully, we now increasingly have video available so we don't have to take the word of 'peace officers', or 72 year old daffy ladys who 'protest too much'.
Compliance measures utilized like this is 'sentence first, verdict afterwords'. This should not be acceptable as policy, nor was it warranted by any true exigency.
This guy is probably not a bad cop, but needs retraining.
I doubt if that old dog can learn new tricks. Spare the shock collar, just give her a long leash and let her bark ... don't tell me big boys need fear her bite.
+/- ??? Not sure what your real point is here
I never supported this individual cop -- Nor do I know the "whole story," regardless he shouldn't have tased the old lady.
There is a culture of laziness amongst many cops - the taser is like a remote control for fat yuppies who are glued to the couch and can't get up to change the channel -- after a few decades no one gets up anymore.
The taser is like the remote -- it makes things "easier."
Cops come from Civilians -- Civilians abhor confrontation and are lazy (in many ways); therefore, cops are lazy in many ways.
This is why I teach -- we are trying to effect an entire phase shift in thinking among ALL first responders (not just cops).
You either want to "really" do something about it or you just want to blitch (blog plus "complaining").
I'm very much involved.
While there is tremendous room for improvement in cop world - civilians are far more dangerous (on a per capita basis) than are cops.
Civis kill 16,000 civis every year
Cops kill 8 (wrongfully) on average per year -- 380 in total (361 in return fire, 11 by accident, and 8 willfully).
Civis rape 95,000 civis per year
Cops rape none
Civis assault 2,500,000 civis per year
Civis theft 1,250,000 civis per year
That being said I don't walk around in fear of my fellow civilians -- nor do I ever fear cops.
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Your numbers are a little construed
for one, you're comparing 340,000,000 to 900,000.. which is a huge difference in percentage per capita. Secondly the assault you listed for civilians is misleading because when a cop assaults someone they are being arrested so you don't see that listed as assault. What's the total number of physical arrests per capita percentage wise comparative to total number of cops.
You to me are still a state apologists and it's annoying and prudently obvious.
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Oruval: I've done the analysis in Excel on a per capita basis
But I agree with your sentiment.
I am 100% with you -- I do not like Gov't (Federalized) and Non-Private / Non-Free-Market Police Force.
I hope I've made that clear.
I'm not a "state apologist" -- I'm the most fierce individualist on this site.
You truly do not understand the difference between overt generalizations (collectivism) and blame/praise case-by-case (individualism).
We BOTH want the same thing (I think) -- Free-Market Privatized (ZERO Gov't Regulated) Police Force -- ZERO Sin Tax -- ZERO Drug Laws.
Let's "argue" wisely on dealing with the reality of a Corporatist Society and stop our bickering -- it's a wast of time.
*offers olive branch*
Octobox
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I Don’t Think Octobox Is A Police State Apologist ...
... though I don’t often agree with him in his assessment of the magnitude and institutionalization of the problem.
He’s right that our culture contributes to the toxic cop culture about which we justifiably complain. Because he looks at the nazification of law enforcement through blue tinted glasses he blocks out some of the shadiest aspects inherent in the code(?) of the corps itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Png-PC0ews&feature=related
Octobox sees the trees ... many of us see the forest. His proximity and reach will help trim the trees. Many of us want clear cut.
Let’s continue to close the gap, even if that means coming his way somewhat so we constructively share each other’s perspective.
I’m reassured he is in a position to do some good and I’m confident he will. He’s certainly not part of the problem, IMHO.
;-)
If you give into that mentality.
then go ahead and get your eraser and scrub out the second amendment.
Remember the cops are here to help us.. not have us convict ourselves by admitting crime and aiding to the government in the form of a donation of our work energy in the form of penalties accessed upon our person.
Octobox needs to take some ethics and philosophy to heart.
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Just Doin' His Job
Sure, she didn't cooperate completely but at what point do the cops get to use potentially deadly force? If he hadn't had a taser should he have shot her in the leg?
Before Tasers....
Law enforcement didn't shoot grandmothers in the leg - Tasers have made officers lazy.
Physical intervention techniques and the application of mechanical restraints - All law enforcement is trained in physically restraining those who are combative or resisting - they need to put down the taser now and then and go back to using these techniques.
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I will add though that cops do not get enough defensive tactics.
I've been training them in DT for nearly 20 years -- They are way out of shape (you got that lazy part right) and they usually can't fight worth a lick.
They "win" most fist fights because the suspects are only "fighting" to get away -- it's rare a criminal would turn and go toe-to-toe.
But that's not what we are talking about -- You and I know that they lack "basic" ability to handle average to weak individuals.
Assuming this woman was "wrong" (broke the law) he should of called for back up -- it's easier to be gentle with more hands on.
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Yet another person charged with resisting arrest
Notice all the people that the only charge is "resisting arrest". Damn straight I'm resisting if the only thing that they are arresting me for is "resisting arrest". That in and of itself, the fact that no other charges were brought, proves that the act of resisting was appropriate.
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I Know who is behind these tazing videos
The forces of Chaos...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGwSgk5U0Zk
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Both primitive dopes
She doesn't think that dropping the "F" bomb on a cop--with whom she evidently shares a rung on the evolutionary ladder--is not going to go over well? And then--evidently--without realizing that a camera had recorded the whole thing she made a statement saying that she had not been "argumentative", that the "whole thing is a lie"? Whatever. They're both dopes and this is the state of America today.
And the reporter actually said this with respect to a request to interview Grandma's lawyer: "...with whom FOX 7 requested an interview with..."? With whom FOX 7 requested an interview with? What? I'll bet the blond has a college degree!!
Surrounded. Just freakin' surrounded.
So 'being a dope' warrants an assault?
cinse when dos somones level of smearts werrant en asult?
You miss my point, none
I stated that both the cop and grandma appear to be dopes--both behaving primitively and she appears to be a liar--or at the very least defines "argumentative" in a wholly different way than does Webster--and the police--and me!
Was she doing 45 in a 60 or not? If she did not believe she was, she takes the ticket, signs it, and fights it. End of story. If she was and is honest enough to admit it--oh, well. Take your licks, grandma. End of story.
Unfortunately for her, she chose otherwise and found herself matched up with a matching counterpart...a fat, frumpy, dopey cop armed with a gun, a taser, and an itchy finger.
The dopey cop, for his part, goes wholly over the top with dopey grandma who--from my point of view--seems to think because she's a frumpy old grandma can get away with being dopey and disrespectful--never mind that he's a cop.
Does that help, none?
This crosses my limit to making excuses for people's behavior
That's all. So they're both typical 'Americans', if you'll forgive my collectivist term. They're rude and argumentative. No doubt, the older lady felt that her age and gender might afford her a measure of quarter from the officer. Unfortunately, she was wrong. My point, which I'm certain you probably ascertained despite my obvious sarcasm, is that at no point does a lack of intelligence or manners permit one person to use force on another person, especially in the case of those empowered and entrusted to 'protect and serve'. A point which we clearly agree on.
My sarcasm gland has been over active today. I blame it on myself, really, as I've been interacting with far too many statists as of late. Good thing it's time for me to go hang out with my anarcho-capitalist friends.
To your point about lack of intelligence, etc.
And lack of manners. You're exactly right...neither permits use of force, but both lend themselves to such, yes? When combined as in these two dopes--both without manners it seems and disciplined intelligence, you get what we got here.
I do agree with the comments here about the use of the taser--it's ridiculous and I think it probably has made cops lazy. But these two deserve each other. They're two sides of the same coin.
The situation that breaks my heart, makes me crazy, and makes me fantasize about taking cops to serious task is the woman who got strip searched while being held down by at least two male "officers". Now that makes my head explode...
These two? Dopes. No sympathy for either...and she lied.
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