The US Constitution; making theft and murder ‘legal’ since 1787
How many innocent people does someone need to kill to be a murderer?
Go ahead, get it out of your system now. The inevitable complaining, the anger, and the hostility you may feel if you’re one of those constitution worshippers out there who might happen to read this. I understand, really I do. It’s a bitter pill to swallow, but honestly, it’s for your own good. It’s best to let that emotional response you’ve been programmed to have out. If you can’t get past that illogical anger you’re never going to learn the truth.
In 1787, on September the 17th to be precise, 39 specific men, men with names, gathered in a room in Pennsylvania to sign a document as witnesses. This document they signed boldly declared that ‘We the people’ had consented to and authorized the creation of a new government for the lands which had been colonized and settled over the preceding 300 years or so. I won’t delve into the semantics of which specific people this ‘We’ really was or how this amorphous ‘We’ somehow had the authority to dictate to those people who weren’t part of that ‘We’ were to be governed. For this article, I’ll simply stick to fact that among the things that the constitution did do was to legalize theft and murder for a special group of people. You see, this new government claimed for itself supreme authority in the areas which its enumerated powers specified, and among those enumerated is the one which is my inspiration for this essay; The US Constitution: Article 1, Section 8.
Commonly referred to as the Commerce Clause, article 1 section 8 declares that “The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imports and excises…”. While such a statement may seem innocuous to those who may not be inclined to think about it further, within this statement is the presumed and declared authority to steal and kill. If you don’t think so or happen to believe that that wasn’t the way it was intended, I guess you haven’t read up on the Whiskey Rebellion.
You see, the 39 men who signed the US Constitution created the law which made it legal for the government which they also created to declare how much of what was not theirs they were going to take, and from whom. With multiple strokes of the quill that laid down that ink on those four bits of hemp parchment, those particular and specific 39 men wrote into existence that a new master was to be served, the master which they created and controlled. And woe be unto those who oppose this new master.
At the conclusion of the Whiskey Rebellion, there were only a few amongst those who rebelled who lost their lives. Even if there were but one person who died though, the effect of the law, as written in Article 1, Section 8, would not be diminished in any way. The Whiskey Rebellion, which some of you may have read in history or my prior post, was the federal government’s most notable early exercise of authority under article 1, section 8. And that exercise of authority led to the death of at least one someone who was simply trying to keep what was his.
By 1791, just about four short years after its self declaration of power and authority, the federal government had already proven it was prepared to kill to steal what it claimed as its own, and naturally they also declared themselves legally correct in doing so. You constitutionalists want to return the government to that? You don’t need to; they’re still doing it today.




















Anarchy.........
A tree of many branches. I've heard a lot of good stuff about it here recently, but is it really all that good? Has anyone here ever gone to the Green Anarchy or Species Traitor or Coalition Against Civilization websites? There you can see other views as to what anarchy is, or is not, or whatever...........
I'm not aware of anything in
I'm not aware of anything in the Constitution that would permit me to come into your house, smack you around, steal the Twisted Sister posters off of your wall and leave out with your Dungeons and Dragon game. That is permitted under the system of government (self government) that you advocate. In fact, the Constitution gives you the right to defend yourself (and your posters, games, etc) from me.
If by "property" you mean "land", you don't own any land. If you think you do, stop paying taxes on it and see what happens. But that's not an action of the people - it's an action of a government that has usurped the people and illegally expanded it's authority.
I'm done with you.
Do you pay extor.. er ah
Do you pay extor.. er ah income taxes? Try not paying them and see who shows up to collect at the point of a gun if necessary.
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Exactly
It won't be my neighbors who show up.
unless your neighbor works for the State or has something
to gain from your sudden departure!!!
Rothbard says:
Rothbard says:
"Another successful device(the State) uses, is to instill the fear of rule or nonrule. The present rulers, it was maintained, supply to the citizens an essentiual service for which they should be most grateful; protection against sporadic criminals and marauders. For the State, to preserve its own monopoly of predation, did indeed see to it that private and unsystematic crime was kept to a minimum; the Statehas always been jealous of it own preserve"
"The State transformed the process of judicial review itself, from a limiting device to yet another instrument for furninshing ideological legitamcy to the governments actions. For if a judicial decree of "unconstitutional" is a mighty check to government power, where as an implicit or explicit verdict of "constitutional" is a mighty weapon for fostering public acceptance of ever greater government power."
I disagree
Because you have forgotten even if a bad law was written. People here Have the Right to change the laws under our Republic by changing other peoples minds.....
"While such a statement may seem innocuous to those who may not be inclined to think about it further, within this statement is the presumed and declared authority to steal and kill."
Not even close -- Words do not result in force as you try to make a case for. You make a slanted case against the Constitution for Theft and Murder and put all of the blame in one area as if you witnessed it rather then reading an account of what happened in each case.
Individuals killed other Individuals in the Whiskey Rebellion
--- Not government's laws even if they were wrong and you dislike them. + The people here Have the Right to change the laws under our Republic. Perhaps you have forgotten as EVERY generation can live how they want. This includes enslaving each other more and more unfortunately.
Also, Did the poster forget about the Judicial branch for people stealing or killing others to go unpunished?
Patriot4Liberty1776
Wow....
This has got to be one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen. Yeah! Your constitution denied the rights of the Indians (yeah, I caught the sentence!! Your taxes!!! Blah blah blah! The constitution is the only reason why you have what you have. It is the most perfect thing created by imperfect people we have seen in this world. The reason we have so much a shitty government is simply because we dont follow the constitution! This is Ron Paul website and forum, the champion of the constitution, I think you are lost, my friend. Besides, the income tax was added to the constitution and is not even constitutional to begin with. As far as committing murder and stealing? Well, there is nowhere in the constitution that allows such a thing, however, it does say that war can be declared in defense of our sovereign nation through the powers of the congress and every unjust war was a result of the PRESIDENT declaring the war and not congress. I hear your problem, so what then is the solution, if your a genius and have it all figured out?
Ron Paul 2012
Ron Paul 2012
"The constitution is the only reason why you have what you have"
You said above that "The constitution is the only reason why you have what you have."
Really? The constitution gave me my life? The constitution gave me my property? Gee, does the constitution give me my rights too?
Well...
It does give you your property... That is why the property tax is unconstitutional. Man, it seems, is very power hungry and wants to rule over the people and their properties. Name one single "utopian" society where this was not the case. So, if you look through that lense, the constitution does give us our property and that is why the property tax is unconstitutional. However, it does not give you your life, no, you have a point there and I meant "it gives you everything" in context. Last question: Yes, the Bill of Rights is the first part of the constitution! However, the constitution is abused so we need to get rid of these far unperfect people running this country.
Ron Paul 2012
Ron Paul 2012
The constitution does not give me my property
I work for my property and pay for it. Want to try again?
No it doesn't...
but soon it will be twisted so that it can be used to take it away from you. That is, if something is not done about it. Think about it like this. If a thief confronts you with a gun and wants your property, you have a choice, defend your self or be robbed. Now, the thief today is using not a gun, but the government. Same results. However, the gun, nor the government is inherently bad. Either is a tool. The moral force behind the use is in the mind of those who wield it.
Assert Your Authority
Assert Your Authority
It's already twisted to take my property away from me
And if you read up on the Whiskey Rebellion as I have posted, you'd see that it's always been that way,
So, what are you looking for?
Are you looking for a perfect society? I don't think you're going to find it. The only way to stop force is to stop greed. If you make everything free, then someone is going to come and grab it all, and then charge for its return. If everything costs money (in any form from FRN to seashells) them someone is going to go and take all the money and charge for its return. Unfortunately that's life and force is applied from those with the BEST force application to those with less. Gaining advantage is human nature. The perfect society is based on imagination, life is lived naturally; and by that I don't mean the image of man in nature, harmoniously singing to the trees - though that might be natural for some), I mean according to our natural, common human tendencies.
At least the constitution acknowledges this timeless situation, Let's first figure out how to go, as opposed to where. Prudence would say, only after you learn to drive the machine should you pick a destination. For if you cannot properly operate your vehicle, you'll never do much traveling. It is possible to learn on the fly, but rarely advisable.
Assert Your Authority
Assert Your Authority
Please remove your cranium from your anal cavity.
What gives you the right to say what you do? Oh, yeah, the Constitution of the United States of America. In most countries we could just lock you out. Here, I do not agree with what you say, but I agree with the Constitution that you have the right to say it. I just know you are wrong. I have seen anarchy, and I pray no one reading this ever has to go through that experience.
Yes, I am being rude, but so are you.
More insults from the peanut gallery
Tell me, is there room in that mind of yours for intelligent thought, or only simple insults?
And because I have to, you said above "What gives you the right to say what you do? Oh, yeah, the Constitution of the United States of America" So, the US Constitution gives people rights, huh?
You're a chicken
of an anarchist if I've ever seen one.
Jacobin wannabe.
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But the US Constitution gives me the right!
LOLz! C'mon, you have to admit that statement by demolay was rather dumb. I truly feel pity for him if he actually believes that any document written by anyone gives him his rights.
And I'm a chicken in your opinion because...? The name calling is cute, BTW.
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the term LOLz,LULz, or Lqlz, are terms used on the site 4chan. This troll has been sent by that site to ours inorder to troll.
They get off on causing disruption and chaos on peaceful,quiet forms.
WARNING! The word WARNING has been used by government
The word WARNING has been used by government repeatedly. In fact, they even require private companies to print it all over certain products they produce. It would seem pretty clear by this poster's screen name SSgT_AF, that he is in fact a government agent of some sort, no doubt sent here to post WARNINGs in an effort to...
Good God man! Are you really that flippin stupid?
to hell with you anarchist
I know you're trying to instate violence in the minds of people to create a violent uprising.
You'll not have such luck with the intelligent crowd here on the Daily Paul.
We are peaceful concerned individuals who don't shy from controversy.
It must really bother you that you're not having much effect.
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Keep posting lies
You only weaken yourself when you resort to lying.
Where have I called for violence? Against whom?
Your ideals
promote violence. Anarchy the very definition is synonymous with chaos.
I know where your ideals of anarchy lead and it's usually to dictatorship to fill the void..
You moron.
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You keep on trying to put words in my mouth
And keep failing.
Your ideals must be pretty weak if all you can do to promote them is to tell lies in an attempt to instill fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Pretty weak indeed.
Weak is the man who
would promote lawlessness under the guise of anarchy and try to incite thought of revolution against a government for their own selfish reasons.
Your game is afoot.. I know why you're here blogging 24/7 and it's to label peace loving mind our own damn business constitutional supporters who what an intrusive government out of our lives.
FU troll. Bump this yourself.
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"FU troll?" Again I ask, is that your best argument?
You can't support anything you've said with facts. I can. What's next, are you going to threaten to beat me up?
says who.
look up any history book and tell me what happens when anarchy ensues?
come on. give me some examples..
I know when someone is full of hot air.. What do you suggest we do about government then anarchist boy? How do you suggest we solve the problem?
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Your head couldn't understand.
that the Constitution and Especially the Bill of Rights doesn't give anything.. it secures it from bigger government.
So chicken when are you going to start killing people to get your way? Anarchists are always looking to fill a void of power..
Like I said tonto.. you'll not be inciting any violence on my watch.
So what is this. Day 14 of 24/7 anarchy speak from you on the Daily Paul..
Jesus you ever sleep or is it different people blogging under the same name.
Oh that's right you can't tell me or admit you're here purposefully.
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Don't tell me that, tell demolay.
Do you even bother to read what is typed, or do you simply ASSuME?
I addressed it to you
anarchist boy.
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One of the few constructive debates at the DP today
Honestly, this debate along woth the power behind the fed and our so called leaders is all that is needed here.
We need the truth.
I agree that the "founders" were not as they are portrayed by historians. Franklin? A sincere patriot?
A high degree Mason, a member of the Hellfire club in London. Lived in England for the most part.
Hamilton?
Go down the list.
Worshipping these men and their document is not how we watch out for ourselves.
Worship blinds a man.
Debate and room for all sides in same, gives us our best chance a truth.
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