Time to take a Stand Against Single Issue Stances
Collectivist fight single issues so individuals can't focus on Big Picture.
Individualist fight all anti-liberty issues at once by never abdicating self-rule.
If you meditate on that we will all have a universal-singular approach to solving the collective-individualist issue.
The Individualist does not step outside his self-rule to engage in hysteria -- if he does he quickly joins camps and becomes a position protecting collectivist.
You guys are about to go into an election year -and- get hysterical with getting so-and-so elected -- spending millions and millions of dollars in the process.
I write these threads as place-holders -- so when "rational" alternatives are needed there is a precedence.
Counter-Economics is THE WAY you maintain a free-society, it is the way you get into a free-society, it is the way you propel a free-society.
To Vote = Abdication or Theft -and- Perpetual War
To Lobby = Abdication or Theft -and- Perpetual War
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Man: I feel the time has come to complain about people who make rash complaints without first making sure that those complaints are justified.
Dr Cream: Are you referring to me?
Man: Not necessarily, however, I would like to point out that the BALPA spokesman was wearing the British Psychiatric Association Dinner Dance Club cuff-links.
Dr Cream: Oh yes, I noticed that too.
BALPA Man: These are not British Psychiatric Association Dinner Dance Club cuff-links.
Man: Sorry.
BALPA Man: They are in fact British Sugar Corporation Gilbert-and-Sullivan Society cuff-links. It is in fact a sort of in-joke with us lads here at BALPA. I think the last speaker should have checked his facts before making his own rash complaint.
Dr Cream: Yes, that'll teach him.
BALPA Man: However, I would just like to add a complaint about shows that have too many complaints in them as they get very tedious for the average viewer.
Another Man: I'd like to complain about people who hold things up by complaining about people complaining. It's about time something was done about it. (the sixteen-ton weight falls on him)
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For purposes of discussion,
is your wedge issue an opposition to wedge issues?
Octo, who is going to agree with you on a multitude of issues?
By taking issues one at a time, friends of freedom can get the support of those who reject the "big picture" as you put it.
Creating ideological systems may be fun, but expect to be opposed and ridiculed by the considerable majority. They will attack any system at its weakest point.
Add up all the libertarians, anarchists, etc. and they don't amount to much. By ignoring the "big picture" and working issues separately, it's possible to create majorities and get something done.
John B: Name one time
One time this "one at a time" stance taking has ever (EVER) evolved into liberty or free-markets (for all).
No -- single issues always have a "us vs them" basis and the winner is happy (then relaxes) - giving time for the loser to make a come back (and he does) -- thus perpetual war (as Trotsky and Marx invisioned).
This is the "evil" of Democracy. They were wrong, but this is why the Founding Father's created a "Voting Class" -- because "more or less" they think a like.
Also it is the definition of insanity to keep applying the same methods (the ONLY method - "single issue stance").
I'm offering something new and we only need to innovate it's inception -- I have many ideas in this regard.
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I am a christian
and I personally tell all my everybody I know that the love of money is the root of all evil, therefore before you look at anything else look at how they spend money (and how many bribes, excuse me gifts they recieve) and guess what they magically voted our way 99% of the time. granted I have only three examples (Ron Paul, mark sanford, and jim deming) but people get the message clearly.
The trick isnt to get people to stop focising on one issue but on the right issue.
Wraith: I'd like to expand your thought
"The love of money is the root of all evil"
This is a Christian concept and it was born "after" -- "after" -- "after" our country took major turns toward Socialism and Fed Banking.
Before that time Christians had a very healthy respect (religiously so) with Gold and a ZERO money lender attitude (never taking money on credit).
They were a saver and savior society.
So, my comment is we need to "love" money in its pure-idyllic purpose and "shun" the non-saver compulsive spender mindset.
Dig?
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I think what you are looking
I think what you are looking for is a love of justice and righteousness.
Fiat money is essentially a false balance -- saying that something is worth more than it actually is.
Also, it should be noted that the love of money is not the root of all evil.
From the Biblical perspective, rebellion against God is the source of all evil -- asserting our own will and desires above the Natural Laws of God.
I'd like
to get away from the abortion issue. It's nothing but a wedge issue and a red herring.
Ruth: You are right -- It is a Wedge -- Christians need to
understand how a free-market would lessen the number of abortions by nearly 90%.
90% is an A
Christians need to get rid of their absolutist position in this regard -- it's why they have not made a 1% cut in abortion rates.
1.34M abortions per year -- and rising. The Christian-Right method is failing.
1st Step: Get the decision out of Central Gov't (some states will make it illegal -- people will vote with their feet and go out of state for abortions) However, many babies will be sparred.
2nd Step: Make it "illegal" to subsidize abortion by Gov't Fiat -- so, there's no tax-forced compliance -- let the liberals pay full market price for an abortion.
3rd Step: While working on 1 and 2 there must be a deep education on American Individualism, Consumer Union (anti-corporatist philosophy in purchasing), Voters Union (vote-out-the-incumbent - one-term - destroys lobbying), and 100% Free-Market Currency Competition.
#3 -- If entrepreneurialism (brilliance - ideational smarts) was the major way one moved out of low to middle income then children (babies) would become "precious" and highly valuable.
A baby born into debt is a burden (economically) -- right?
In a free-society the baby might be Einstein -- can't take the chance that it's not. The baby becomes a commodity -- no longer a burden or debt enslaved.
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I agree that the tendency of some to try to herd everyone...
...to one issue makes it harder to see the big picture.
It seems many around here are busy scolding people for not focusing on whatever thing they see as THE important issue we all need to focus on.
Well, we can talk about other things, too. Issues that are important to some, may not be to others.
But this does not have to be either/or.
And to those who would scold others for talking about things that they see as a waste of time, do not be so hasty to assume that people are not acting on issues that you see as important simply because they talk about other things that you do not see as important.
If we were supposed to talk about and act on one thing only, there would be no need for an active topic list.
The problems we face are multifaceted. We do not all have a one-track mind.
And as BigT pointed out on another thread, we can multi-task.
Jiminy -- My little Cricket friend -- Nice Post
JC - I think a better way to put it is "what's the root of all single stance issues" -- "is there a connection" -- "can we uproot all at once?"
The answer is yes.
The Master Root: Abdication of Self-Rule (American Individualism)
The First Major Sub-Root: Lack of Free-Market Solutions over Currency
The Fist Node under Sub-Root: Ignorant Daily-Dollar-Voting (never vote for a corporatist -- someone who seeks to undermine consumer will by gov't lobbying)
The Second Node under Sub-Root: A need to "always" Vote-Out-The-Incumbent (they get one term -- ZERO Regulatory Control -- ZERO Taxing Authority -- ZERO Monetary Control)
We go after the first root by education and consumer unions -- that automatically brings to mind all the rest.
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I heard you got a th’ang for harmonious men and women individualists in uniform and wanted to see this thread become more Sous-ian.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAj1pOWirHs&feature=related
... Grab your batons, and hop on the band wagon
.................. or follow the beat of your own drummer ...
But ...
................................ to the front !!!!
Viva la Whiskey And Wry Rebellion !
LibBerte -- Nice play
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My dying thread -- *gasp gasp* It cannot extinguish the flames
of division *cough - gasp - hiccup* ?!!!!?
*ahem*
No longer can it abide its sweet simple truths -- it lacks the piquant flavor of "Nazi Cops" and the virulant spray of "Anarchy" or the steely gaze of "Daily Chemtrails"
In the end something as precious as liberty *cough* must *snorkle*
come gently to an end.....*hand on forehead*
Jack Black Pose *shakkah kakaaah*
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Bump...
Two-fold bump that is... for freedom and for irony.
:)
~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~
I love the smell of Irony in the morning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPXVGQnJm0w
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I'm officially declaring...
that I take a stand against "taking stands", anyone got a chair?
If you would like to become a spinless jellyfish in a Communist (and by communist I mean the ultimate aim of the incremental socialism/fascism/miltiary industrial/banking complex we are experiencing here and around the world) society please lay on the floor with me and let them step all over you too. Don't complain, it's against the rules!
Assert Your Authority
Assert Your Authority
I'm going to assume you are in agreeance and say "Well Said"
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BUMP THAT...
Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention
“The Internet is the first thing that humanity has built that humanity doesn't understand, the largest experiment in anarchy that we have ever had." - Eric Schmidt
Well said Bravoseis
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Too simple? Boring title?
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Lol
I'll give it a bump!
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels
Hahahaha -- DP does not like non-derisive posts
It would be like creating a post that said "posts and threads distract us from action" -- hahaha.
Like school on Sunday -- No class!!
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