WHAT HARM would there be in doing a New 911 Investigation?
Submitted by Ralph Waldo on Sun, 06/14/2009 - 11:10
What possible harm could come from a new 911 Investigation? What could it hurt? If there is nothing to hide, what are they afraid of!
3 million was allocated for the original 911 investigation, then it was increased to 14 million - (compared to $60 million for the Lewinsky investigation). I bet the 911 community could do a money bomb and raise $50 million in a week?
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Wasn't the 911 Commission
Wasn't the 911 Commission blocked in a number of ways from getting various information?
For example, I recall something about them not being permitted to interview the landlord of the building where some of the terrorists supposedly lives, something about surveillance tapes not being accessible from some gas station or building across from the Pentagon, they didn't interview the people in one of the WTC buildings who all said they heard and felt explosions below them (I believe when the plane hit far above them) (I think Rosie O'Donnel interviewed one of those people this past 9/11), etc, etc.
Simply, the 911 Commission really seemed to have been woefully insufficient of an investigation. What we need is an investigation where the investigators CANNOT be blocked from investigating, otherwise what is the point?
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I don't think the 9/11 community can agree what day it is.
I have never met a bigger group of infighters in my life.
I did the best I could to research the movement a number of years ago including meeting with or conversing on the phone with leaders.
These people hate each other.
They are fully divided on most topics.
There are some great people in the movement, but, the movement is controlled. All are kept at each other's throats.
There are "gatekeepers" just like in the peace movement and any others you care to name.
The folks in power either start the whole movement or quickly infiltrate it and guide it in different directions.
Really folks, beware of "leaders." The leaders of the 9/11 movement are NOT worth following.
Look at what they have achieved?
The movement is fully discredited.
The word "truth" is associated with uninformed screaming freaks.
Mission accomplished.
New investigation?
Plenty of harm .
Endless harm.
What needs to be done is for all of us to get our friends to watch Money Masters. It is the truth of our world.
People simply do not know that ALL of the central banks on earth are owned by the same families.
Waaaay more important than screaming about thermite and the FAA.
As before....if the shadow gov't did do 9/11 you think they would just let the "opposition/investigation movement just do what it wants?
They planned all the minutae from that day and didn't do an effing thing about the REACTION? They figured having an airliner fly around DC and West Virginia for AN HOUR AND FORTY minutes unchallenged wouldn't make one guy just go...
"hey what about the 500 tactical fighters we got sittin' around every effing day defending northeast airspace? You know I jess don't get why they don't got nothing to shoot at an airliner that could have driven into the White House, the Pentagon, Langley AFB, the Capitol building...it's just driving around up there and we have NOTHING to shoot at the damn thing. I mean in 1966 I was sitting under my desk in grade school waiting for the Russians to bomb the ever living sh%$ out of us and we had missiles up the a$$ then...were they all broke or something? Shucks I'm confused."
Of course they planned for it and VOILA! The truth movement in all it's utter uselessness. If you had a meeting of the top 20 people in the movement at a Starbucks in Chicago...6 would show up.
Let's stick to Central Banks...they don't want us to talk about them.
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Be my guest
Today, most Americans have other things to think about than a 9/11 investigation. In a perfect world we would have known the complete story by now.
Even another investigation would not change peoples' minds. The JFK assassination is still being argued.
Time for me to move on, but investigate on your own, if it's important to you.
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A new 9/11 investigation
Here are some things to ponder.
Who would conduct the investigation? You can't say the government, because you would not believe. Independent? Whose really independent? Where would you find these honest people that you guys would trust? How would you be able to tell if they are not paid off, or threatened to comply with what is dictated to them by the government? What things would you have them investigate? You could not have them investigate every claim someone comes up with. Which ones would you choose? How would you be able to come up with a consensus on the questions you want answered? Do you believe that an independent investigation would really turn up any evidence? They have had 7 years to cover it up. Do you think documents proving a conspiracy are still stored somewhere? They did not take time over the last 7 years to cover their tracks? Is that really what you think? They only pulled off a near perfect operation. They're not experienced and intelligent enough to destroy the evidence? You can't count on witnesses or the perpetrators. No one will blow the whistle to the investigators for fear of reprisal. So you will have no witnesses, documents or anything else that could be considered real evidence in a court of law. It would never even go to a court of law because, of course, they are part of the government. Do you think it would be a fair trial, if it ever got that far? Why would the media even show the evidence, if found, to the public? You thought Ron Paul was blacked out during the primaries, that is nothing compared to what the media would do in that situation. The government and elites have influence or control over the media too. I'm sure they would start a full scale disinformation campaign to target those showing the evidence. They would also, since they already murdered 3,000 citizens already, have no problem taking anyone out who has the evidence.
The real question is: Why do you think you could get a new investigation?
Well why dont we just go ahead
and march on down to the fema camps. Since we cant stop them anyway.
Because it's the right thing to do.
A concept that is lost on some people.
I'll tell you the harm...
Half of past and recent top officials going to prison and an entire country viewing it's government as corrupt and therefore invalid.
The harm is for them, not us.
"This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave."
Nothing like a good house cleaning!
The world would applaud!
I`ll go for that. Start the investigation NOW and save us much
future grief. Let the dodo hit the fan and spray on the evil liars whoever they may be.
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Why not start simple and
Why not start simple and cheap? Release the black boxes that were recovered, release the video from the Pentagon, release the "classified" materials (I know their arguement.....national security my ass.....) This could be done with a budget of almost NOTHING and would go a long way toward shutting us pesky "truthers" up.
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Truth is treason in an empire of lies.
What I don't understand is how the official story
does not include any of the reports about explosions, including on-scene reporters videotaped talking about explosions--"massive explosions"--and Peter Jennings stating that in order to take down buildings of this size you'd need to get at the "under infrastructure". So, with all of this verifiable, it doesn't appear in any formal documents issued by the government or its "agencies" charged with a full investigation?
And the immoral dufuses here and elsewhere don't think that warrants an investigation itself????????????????????????
Ugh. Well, they'll be seen for what they are when this issue takes off worldwide. Good thing I'm not them looking in the mirror.
How much are these wars costing?
The cost of the wars we are waging is in the trillions. This is all due to the War on Terror. And it's not over yet. The US Military has two choices in Afghanistan, MASSIVELY REINFORCE, or, withdraw completely. If we thought Vietnam was, to say mildly, a disappointment then the Afghanistan experience will truly be depressing.
I am not a prophet and am repeating the opinion of a multitude of experts regarding the subject.
Almost 40 million whackos live in this area of Wasiristan that connects Afghanistan and Pakistan. They can fight us from this area forever.
Now what is the cost of a 9-11 investigation again?
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It's like a ball of yarn.
Start pulling on one end, and it will lead you to the other.
All of it is part of the same string.
Some want to pull on the "Federal Reserve and banking" end of the string.
Pull it far enough and you come to the 9/11 end, and everything in between.
Some want to pull on the 9/11 end of the string. pull that far enough and you'll come to the Federal Reserve and banking, and everything in between.
Rather pull at somewhere in the middle, like the Police State, or Agenda 21, or the "vaccination connections" or whatever?
Fine.
You pull any of them far enough, and you'll come to both of the other ends that way too.
The key here is that it is ALL connected.
None of this is happening in a vacuum.
All the people and the events are connected just below the surface, and even if they superficially appear to be separate, if you look closely enough, you find out they are connected.
Just start pulling.
No matter what you pick, it's all part of the same damn string.
I totally agree BigT.
I totally agree BigT. However when you have different people pulling on different parts of the rope, then we are all pulling against each other and accomplishing little. If we all pull together and in the same direction we could accomplish miracles.
You nailed it BigT
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Who would you trust to do
Who would you trust to do the investigation? Where would we get truly non-partial investigators?
It needs to be a scientific based investigation
by architects, engineers, pilots and building fire experts.
If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear!
These people already did an investigation
NIST, NTSB, etc is made up of these people. The charge is because they are hired by the government, they are hiding something. I don't believe it - I think it is the politicians and military that are hiding something.
Each report which has been thoroughly discreditted.
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You might want to check with ae911truth
to get a second opinion on the official investigation. Plus a lot of new evidience has now come to light.
There is no harm...
provided you don't count the cost of the investigation as harmful-- that's why none of us (or rather very few of us) oppose having a new investigation.
But in the grand scheme of things it is something I don't care all that much about-- I'm more worried about our Civil Liberties, Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms, and foreign policy.
A single harm?
If you can not sit down and list 10 harms from a new investigation into 9/11, then you are not being objective.
This is not a test of faith, just asking for some objectivity and critical thinking.
Each of these 4 easily break into many multiples.
1. Monetary cost
2. Emotional cost
3. Time cost
4. Legal issues
Maybe instead of harm, you should look at the possible benefits a new investigation would have for the cause for liberty.
This is all I really want to see. A list of 10 benefits. Just to know expectations. I'm really sincere.
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Are your expectation of benefits reasonable? Does ending the Federal Reserve have any sense of appeal in comparison?
Ralph, I really came to the conclusion the subject of 9/11 warrants a new and more extensive investigation, just from the amount of people with unanswered questions and concerns. I also believe my energy is better spent on three areas; ending the Federal Reserve, returning to a sound money and ending fractional banking - as these are what enable a system of government and commerce that is not conducive to my liberty.
Seriously, a search for 9/11 truth is not a good reason by itself. Hope of majority outrage to change our government, well, I am unconvinced this is even possible, just by looking at the history of atrocities against civilians.
I'm exhausted, it is not my intent to be antagonistic.
You have some good points to consider
However, many think if "they" get away with this one, then what will they try next?
Also, there is the element of bringing to justice those who possibly have deceived many, to falsely justify going to war and killing millions in Iraq.
Of course there are the 3000 who were murdered on 911, there is a reason there is no statute of limitations on murder!
Big harm and this would be the harm that it would do...
it would get everyone focused away from the central banks and who owns the central banks.
It would distract everyone and get them fighting about NOTHING.
Secondly they won't do an investigation.
So focus on the central banks because they do no want us to focus on them.
Fighting about 9/11 is what THEY WANT.
Moving independently to expose the families that own the central banks is THE LAST thing they want us to do.
Good bye 9/11.
Good bye discredited truth movement.
Hello telling everyone you know to watch Money Masters.
(look at the DP...look at the 9/11 threads...they want us to be fighting about thermite...get it? Good bye thermite)
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1) Education (RP been doing that for 35 years)
2) End the Fed
3) Sound Money (Gold/Silver or some other Commodity)
4) Begin to dismantle the worst Big Gov't Departments
5) End the IRS
6) End all "War On's"
7) Veto Everything
In all of that he never mentions "righting past wrongs" -- Or proving conspiracies. I think he's leaving that to the people. His message appears to be "strike the root" don't trim the leaves.
I do support an investigation of Build #7 (I think it's the lyncpin) -- but it will never be enough -- not at the expense of the C4L/RP order of operation (above).
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actualy it would all lead to
actualy it would all lead to the central banks anyway. so a new investigation is as good, or better than auditing the fed.
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“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato
I agree
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That particular
money bomb would probably raise even more than what you proposed... I support a new investigation...
For what it's worth, here are two (very strange, imo) new (posted June 11) youtube videos featuring Ben Fulford and Leo Zagami, with an announcement concerning the Illuminati, 911, et cetera.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqPg-mc1CIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnNTDWdIJek&feature=related
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