59% of Americans Favor Gov't. Action to Limit Executive Pay-I'm losing hope
Submitted by want_my_country_back on Sat, 06/20/2009 - 07:11
The country is lost. The transformation is complete. This move to socialism has been in the works for over 40 years and we have arrived I guess. How can the American people be so blinded by jealousy that they think this is okay? I'm a pretty middle class guy, but I don't begrudge anyone as far as their wages. This is very upsetting to me. I'm afraid the liberty movement will always be a fringe 10% or so at best. We are losing ground fast as people have been conditioned to accept this. I'm ready to call it quits and just raise my kids and hope for the best.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/120872/Americans-Favor-Gov-Action...
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Because that is what it is like to live in a 'democracy'.
Democracy is rule by the mobs - majority rules.
A Republic is Rule by Law! These 'regimes' we have had since JFK, have deliberately paved the way for 'democracy' and empire while fulfilling UN agendas.
How can we be losing ground?
How can we be losing ground? The Presidential campaign has been over for RP for around a year and he is still gaining in support and popularity. Look at what YAL is doing on campuses around the nation.
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TPTB philosophy: Bring up
TPTB philosophy: Bring up the children as you would have them be. Then use them to get what you want....
I generally disagree with
I generally disagree with any laws limiting executive pay, but there is a major problem occuring in publically traded companies. Many executives are given sweetheart deals by friends on the board of directors. Stock options, bonuses for temporarily meeting short term goals, golden parachutes and other deals put CEOs in a position to loot the company. A CEO can make a company look like it's doing incredibly well, all while on the brink of collapse. I would certainly support legislation allowing shareholders to sue for the return of pay in these situations, and stiffer criminal penalties for CEOs who mislead shareholders.
I certainly see no reason to limit pay in privately owned companes, or how much you can receive in dividends for stock you own.
There is always hope
Just because people are do manipulated by media and the talking heads, don't think most Americans really want their lives even more regulated.
Most Americans don't even know what socialism is, but if you inform them how our current circumstances mimic this, they will reject it. I've seen this with family. I had a family member who said that no one should be able to make over 500k per year, and the rest should be given to government.
I told him that his view was a complete socialist view where government controls everything. I told him the constitution binds government, not the people. We need more freedoms, not more government interference.
He then said he was wrong. I asked him why he thought that government should control it, he just said because he thought government was generally good. Further explanation had him back-reeling on this too.
Just remember that if we use facts, we can change minds. It's not too late. Hell, even in Europe things are turning back more towards conservatism, because socialism has failed the people and has made their society unproductive.
and BTW, this family member is now a Ron Paul supporter after watching freedom to fascism.
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the context for this is important. From what i understand, they are talking about limiting the executive pay of companies who have recieved bailout money, which most people would probably support if there has to be a bailout.
Fortune Favors the Bold
You actually believe polls?
Those are nearly 100% of the time absolute lies. Reality is on the phone...
"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
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"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."
You mean the executives that have been bribing Congress?
I dont feel sorry for them at all. I am the executive in a couple small companies and my pay wont be limited... it is the slime balls that have corrupted our government with their bribes that people want a lock down on... good.
In fact considering they have been using peoples retirements to go play craps in NYSE (vegas) I would like to see alot of them go to prison next.
Problem solving 101
When money & influence are being given out , someone is receiving...PUT the criminals behind bars ,don't punish the wage earner..
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The mere fact that
The mere fact that government, any branch of government, has any means whatsoever to even figure out what someone "makes", is an insult to freedom and a surefire sign we have degenerated into a nation of primarily bottomscrubbing, collectivist trash.
In a free country, Obama would know and care about Obama's salary. And leave others' alone.
When systematic corruption needs to be rooted out...
Idealistic dreams of a perfect coutry need to be set aside. A great crime has been commited... It is unacceptable to just look the other way in order to pretend we have a government that minds it own business.... It has not been minding it own business and the people at the top have been running wild. There are so many of them it would be an even bigger spectical to send them ALL to prison... this sounds like a decent compromise ... as long as it is temporary.
The gains possible from
The gains possible from corrupting a government rises with the power that government has. If it had no power at all, not much use corrupting it. And if it was truly omnipotent, not much use doing anything other than attempting to corrupt it.
To reduce corruption, what you want to do is take government's powers away, not grant it new ones.
Well the government power isnt going to be reduced soon...
so in the mean time we should be sticking to the Ron Paul principles while also using OUR governmental power ( it is our government we are talking about here ) to do what it was meant for... enforcing laws.
These people were doing things you and I would go to prison for... when is it their turn? Apparently never. So the next best thing I can think of is to limit their ability to use their positions they made by destroying peoples retirements to make even more money. .. They dont like it? Then they should not have done what they did with other peoples money.
The problem with your
The problem with your solution is that it is worse than the problem it is trying to solve. I fully agree many clowns in the banking sector has made more money than they would have in a free world. But the solution is not to make the world even less free. Our ire and rage should be directed towards the politicians enabling this graft, or even at the "system" making it possible. That way we can help destroy, or at least begin to curtail, the government; not further empower it, under pretext it is only harming "those guys", not "us".
We should never, ever, allow government to obtain any more power than they already have. Not so they can "punish" the bad bankers, nor so they can "punish" the bad terrorists. Nor so they can "help" the poor, or some such. We should simply work relentlessly to take as much as we can away from them. Even if it is by so blunt a measure as just reducing the total number of words of written legislation. Always take away, never, ever give, should be our motto when dealing with a government as overgrown as ours. Always, and without any exception whatsoever.
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While I am sure there are a
While I am sure there are a fair amount of idiots that would favor such a thing I wouldn't trust this poll one bit.
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Sound like free enterprise to me ..NOT
I hope this 59% are most members of the other 41% group.. The Best way to make yourself SEEM bigger is to bring someone else down..
Happens all the time around my town..
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Ask those same 59% this question...
Would you favor the government limiting YOUR pay? See what kind of answer you get. It's okay to impose socialism/fascism on everyone else but not them. These people are like the slow-boiled frogs - they'll be dead before they know what hit them.
When the boot of oppression is on your neck, it doesn't matter if it is left or right.
Golden rule
How true.
Perspective is an important part of waking folks up. Once they apply the ethic of reciprocity, it is fair to say that the majority would be opposed to this question.
Count me among them
If we are talking about any company in the financial sector, privy to inflationary windfall profits; any company that takes bailout money from the taxpayer in the recession; and really any business that receives substantial political patronage through their lobbying efforts. I am not going to see myself and countrymen indebted for these people's wealth.
I know how you feel
But there might still be hope.
The thing is, in a corporatist government - which is what we have, it is a good thing for the people to want to limit the pay of CEOs, maybe people ahve subconsciously realized that the CEO's high pay is because of their government subsidies, and preference, and that this is a way to limit their power little bit. THey haven't given in quite yet
Why do you repeat fraudulent poll results?
These polls are designed to make us fear democracy and the common man. I bet a higher percentage of Senators would agree with the question.
If you ask a MAJORITY of the people, they will say NO to taxes, empire and drug laws. Please stop repeating inside-the-Beltway lies about democracy.
Libertarianism's biggest lie: Democracy is tyranny of the majority.
I do agree most polls can be biased at best and
fraudulent at worst, but I don't think this is the case. I'm not sure where you live, but out here on the east coast, this is the norm. Have you seen some of the video clips of people talking about Obama? "I won't have to worry about buying gas or paying my mortgage because of Obama." Then there's the guy in Florida who is thanking god for Obama to take time out of his day to speak with him. The dude was in tears almost.
I don't think we are the majority. At least not out here. Maybe my view is skewed, but a desire for socialism is quite strong in this country and is growing in numbers each day. Where's the outrage in this country over all the things Obama has passed in a mere six months? People want the government to take of them. We are all well informed, but we are a select few.
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
-Alexis de Tocqueville
Aggregately, most Americans are libertarian.
They're just not perfectly libertarian like you. I can assure you, most Americans were against the bailouts. But they didn't protest the bailouts because MOST AMERICANS realize that protesting actually bolsters the power of politicians. Paultards have yet to learn this lesson.
It actually started in 1921 with Edward Mandell House.
The Council on Foreign Relations was founded in 1921 by Edward Mandell House, who had been the chief advisor of President Woodrow Wilson. Actually, he was more than just a prominent aide of the President; he dominated the President. He was referred to as Wilson’s "alter ego" (other self), and was credited for being the most powerful individual in the United States during the Wilson Administration from 1913 until 1921.
House was a Marxist whose goal was to socialize the United States. In 1912, House wrote the book "Philip Dru: Administrator" in which he stated that he was working for "Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx." In this book, House laid out a plan for the conquest of America, telling how both the Democratic and Republican Parties would be controlled, and be used as instruments in the creation of a socialistic government. And he asked for the establishment of a state-controlled central bank, which were both proposed in "The Communist Manifesto". And it was in 1913, during the very first year of the House-dominated Wilson Administration, that both of these proposals became law. The Federal Reserve Act was passed, which brought into power a private central bank to create the money of the United States, taking this power away from the united States Congress. And the 16th Amendment to the United States Constitution, the graduated income tax as proposed by Karl Marx, was also ratified.
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No, you're right.
We're done here. The greatest experiment in individual liberty and limited government has ended.
Private is as private does
Private companies should have no government interference in their affairs whatsoever. No company is too big to fail, and there should be no more bailouts or subsides. But I have a problem with companies taking billions in taxpayer money and paying their officers outrageous salaries for failure.
If there were no bailouts, this wouldn't be an issue. If corporate governance was working properly, CEOs of failing companies wouldn't be getting bonuses. A pox on all their houses.
who's to say
there is any truth to the poll? they use these things to sway public opinion for the idiots who go along and don't think for themselves. Do your own research, ask people. There is no way 60% agree with this. Come on.
All depends how you "frame the question" ;-)
Who paid Gallup to conduct the poll?
If I was conducting a poll on the topic of CEO remuneration, the question would be framed quite differently and the likely answer would be different too.
My Question: "Should government intervene to cap executive pay OR should company shareholders punish failing executives?"
Likely Answer: "Shareholder rebellion."
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