How do you delegate a right which you do not have?

This is not rocket science. The constitution was the vehicle that delegated that power. Even before that, the states created their own constitutions. And local governments had similar provisions I imagine. More than that, the British government was taxing. So do i have the right to tax another individual? No. But do I and a collection of other people logically think through and agree for the existence of an entity to maintain order and thus unavoidably agree that that entity needs funding? Yes. So the power is delegated to government through the consent of the people. The constitution was created. It was then ratified by the states and thus by the people of thus states. That is how.

Now you wanna get into an issue of whether people actually ratified it because of the way it actually was, that's a different story. To the origin of taxation and whether it should have been created in the first place is another issue as well. But technically the answer is in this country through the creation of the constitution (both federal and state), the power to tax was created and agreed upon.

.......know that beg to be taxed? This is what we are against, taxation without representation. So who is this you are complaining about delegating a 'right' to government? Our government used to get money from duties on imports, but we had a much smaller government back then. This is what many of us who support Dr. Paul stand for. Why do you accuse us of things no one has done?
Don't you have anything better to do? What are you going to falsely accuse people of next?

If we have a citizenry confused or virtually ignorant of what constitutes a right (see below), we're screwed and we have been...

I had this very discussion with a friend recently who leans left (I know, you're shocked...I live in MA...someone who leans left...?) Anyway, I asked the question in the context of theft...always a good one...which led to taxation. She thought that we could delegate that "right" to theft (tax) to the government...but if I don't have the right to take your property from you, how can I transfer a right that I do not have to the government or anyone else? Because the mind of a liberal is so clogged with illogic and excuse-making for the use of force, she then went on to describe how we have an army to protect us and we delegate that to others...I let her go and on...and then simply said that since WE have a right to individual self-defense, we also have a right to form groups that can do the same for groups of individuals...etc., etc.

And the haze started to lift from her eyes...slowly...like, oh, yeah, that makes sense...

I love this thread, BTW, none. But again, to think that as a nation that supposedly represents individual rights and liberty we have to absolutely start at ground zero explaining what a "right" is vs. a privilege, etc., holy crap, are we screwed!

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

The way you delegate a right you do not have, or assume a right that you do not have, is to dumb down the public. This has been done through the public schools and the mass media.

For example, when politicians wanted to discourage the use and possession of certain types of firearms in the Thirties, it was widely known that the federal government did not have the authority to ban them outright. All Washington could do was to tax them. And that is the reason for a transfer tax on automatic weapons.

Today, most Americans have little understanding of the Constitution. Most think that government can do whatever it wants. And so they submit to usurpations of power.

Washington creates agencies and department that deal in areas that are prohibited by the Constitution, for example energy and education. Then these departments and agencies write regulation which is supposed to be law, even though the Constitution says that ALL legislative power is in the hands of Congress.

So there you have it. We are being enslaved by our own ignorance.

Here's a video I shared on a similar thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAY_hHGKL4M

I believe people that don't want their money to be stolen should be able to opt out of the services they are supposed to be paying for, and the government monopoly of services should be shared with free market competition.

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Taxation was not considered a right to be given ,.. It was a means to fulfill a responsibility....Your responsibility has been compromised by others wanting more than is reasonable to expect.
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