Question: Are we in check or checkmate?
One thing that this Liberty movement has reinforced in me is that we should ask what caused the problem before we try to solve it. So I have been thinking a lot these past few days about what the problem in DC is. I have surmised that it comes down to just one question:
Are the politicians in DC innocently ignorant or are they evidently evil?
If they are innocently ignorant and we are in check, then the errata are just slight mishaps like voting fraud, 9/11 stand down, consolidating power, and innocent foreign intervention that kills and steals from millions or billions which we will eventually be able to vote them out or educate them....
But if they are evidently evil, then we might be in checkmate. Bought politicians who have sold their soul and moral conscience to the highest bidder paid for by the US tax payer through the private institutions of the banking and media elite. What should the next step be?
Declaration of Independence? This might bring about the revolution that they seek to bring about a one world government.
Vote them out? How can we vote them out when they set the rules and count the votes?
Wait them out? How can we wait them out when they have been seemingly doing this for centuries?
What do you suggest the problem of DC is and what do we do?
Could it be possible that Ron Paul and Alex Jones are controlled opposition or too late opposition? For them seem to be educating the masses on the elite's plan, are they protected because they are inefficient or part of the problem?
PS: I am not a troll or CIA or whatever the heck the accusation might be. I have donated to both Rand Paul and RJ Harris and supported Ron Paul in the 08 election.
Never mistake ignorance for
stupidity. There is a difference.
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"the only thing that keeps the banking system from failing is general ignorance about how the banking system works."
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A third option!
Overturn the table and walk away.
I too
Supported Ron Paul. Monetarily. Sadly I was out of country on business so I couldn't really volunteer my time. But I did write him in!
In any event, I fear that we have them in a checkmate situation.
They move to declare martial law. We move to stop them.
They move to prop up the FED. We move to stop them.
They move we react. Not the other way around.
Thus the waiting game.
400,00 American citizens on the terror watch list. 800 are under surveillance for owning a gun. The list is secret. We could all be on that list and not even know it.
They are afraid. They are afraid of the potential that lies within the mob and how we will deal with their destruction of our nation.
I feel they are backpedaling. For when the dollar goes who will pay the police to arrest their neighbors? Will the police watch the UN cart off their mothers and sons?
I know it seems like we are against the ropes. We are. Yet we are also begining to push back and that has them scared. Why else would they raise armies of alphabet agencies against us?
They are evil
I think you raise great points. a new declaration would certainly get the ball rolling. your right. they have rigged & will rig elections. but i ask this question. if the us military can't win in iraq and afghanistan, how the hell could they defeat a real homegrown insurgency/revolution?
I think the politicians
are no different than you or I. Maybe, when they went in they were innocent but as time went on they got the message co operate are else. Everyday folks work in companies that do things that are wrong and they are told co operate are else. Military and police are told you have your orders, co operate or else. What would happen if everyone sat on their hands and did not co operate, no fighting, no arguing, no nothing. Like someone said this is a battle for our minds and information. Learn, speak, live in truth, die in honor.
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Bump for ideas about what to
Bump for ideas about what to do.
Been thinkin'
we're in checkmate ever since the first primaries. Secession.
Independent Secession I
Independent Secession I think is the only answer unless DC is innocently ignorant. Independent Secession is independent from the State governments which some are just as corrupt as DC. There is a move to abolish the NY state government and constitution, Project 2010.
Here is the thread on the DP of it:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/96906
NO
DC=innocently ignorant
Not a chance in hell and that is where we are. Welcome to hell, land of the free and the brave no more. Obama wants to change our National Anthem and everthing else about the US. He is not a citizen and frankly, I think, I know he hates America as it was. He is jealous as heck of what it was. He is racked with jealousy and is now in a position to destroy us and he is or has done it.
So what do we do?
So what do we do?
The only thing that is going
The only thing that is going to ever get those evil f&^ks to change is another civil war. I do believe it will happen especially as the heat is turned on to the middle class. The powers that be know the ship is going down and they are trying to loot it as fast as they can before it goes down. Notice how they want to sell the nations gold for paper?
So you want to start a civil
So you want to start a civil war? How do we make sure we win?
Exactly!!
Don't start something you can't finish!!
More importantly...
...How do we make sure our side creates the doctrine after the smoke clears? This is what worries me about secession.
We have no platform and no political party. What is our base? The Constitution? Republicans think that Bush followed the Constitution. Democrats think that Obama is following the Constitution.
The typical end result of revolutions is that Marxists take over...will that happen to our secessionist movements because we don't take platforms and parties seriously enough..?
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True that. I am kinda
True that. I am kinda worried about that too in NY. I really dont even trust myself to write a constitution. I would write something like Americans cant be taxed over 3% and some stupid lawyer or congressman defines Americans as goats while the people get screwed over again.
You're probably right...
"From their spending habits, an economic collapse seems to be the goal of Congress and this administration. Washington spends with impunity domestically, bailing out and nationalizing everything they can get their hands on, and the foreign aid and IMF funding in this bill can rightly be called an international bailout!" Dr. Ron Paul.
They are looking for a fight.
From what I hear...
the local army base throws stuff away for absolutely no reason. Good stuff, brand new windows thrown into the dumpster, breaking them so they are useless. What is wrong with this picture? I am finally convinced that this meltdown is deliberate. People can't fight when they are cold and starving and so they squeeze more and more.
I disagree...a person who is cold and hungry...
won't have any choice but to fight. He wouldn't have anything left to loose.
I don't advocate violence but, the violence may come to us and I see it as simple self defense.
Eustace Mullins'- Secrets of the Federal Reserve
will answer a lot of your questions. The international monied class have been "busy boys" for the last hundred years while America slept...
It's a must read that puts all of the big pieces in place and in context:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm
Is that the guy who was part
Is that the guy who was part of the elite in the early 1900s and said this is our plan and you cannot stop it?
"We" aren't in check or checkmate.
"We" aren't in check or checkmate. There are always lots of possibilities, and I think the longterm movement in the Twenty-First Century will be toward decentralization.
But the nation known as the USA, in my opinion, is most definitely in "check".
There is only one thing we could do, in my opinion, to save the U.S.:
Elect a constitutionalist libertarian President.
Taking over Congress using small bites won't work. Modern Presidents are nothing more than elective dictators. They start wars of aggression and get away with it. They spy on the people without warrants and get away with it. They imprison people without charges and get away with it. They govern by fiat and get away with it.
Everyone who wants to save The United States of America needs to focus on only one thing: Recapturing the White House.
The rest is distraction and trivia.
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How can you elect a
How can you elect a libertarian president when they are the only ones voting and counting the votes?
So how are you going to "recapture" the presidency? If we did have a libertarian president, would he/she be assissinated like those before him/her for going against their plan?
I reject that theory.
They don't assassinate people who go against their plan, they usurp power from them and/or marginalize them. Or count the votes in a crooked fashion, as you say.
In my opinion, Kennedy was whacked because he was a mobster who double-crossed the Mob, and he had a mobster vice-president. All the suspects associated with the JFK assassination were Mafia.
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I believe it was more than the mob...
on June 4, 1963, John F. Kennedy issued Executive Order 11110 where he requested the Treasury to start printing “United States Notes.” This money was the same as that controlled by the Federal Reserve except that it
was created DEBT FREE! Five months later JFK was assassinated and the United States Notes he had issued were immediately taken out of circulation. President Johnson
immediately stopped the printing of United States Notes and went back to the banker's system of Federal Reserve Notes
ensuring the continuation of the IRS tax and Bankers profit, then America "went off the Silver Standard" in 1964
Joseph Kennedy, father of John F. Kennedy, in the July 26, 1936 issue of The New York Times "Fifty men have run America, and that's a high figure."
Here is 700 pages of evidence; THE HIDDEN HISTORY OF MONEY & FEUDAL ORDER USURY SECRETS compiled by Alexander James
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4249131/The-Hidden-History-of-Mone...
What about Lincoln,
What about Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, and the attempt on Jackson and Reagan?
Lincoln and the Bankers
Lincoln was a prime target of the elite bankers, whom, on one hand applauded him for starting and winning the war of northern aggression, and on the other, had him killed for refusing their loans at outrageous interest rates and printing "greenbacks". This snafu had the added bonus of being spun into the "the South killed Lincoln because of slavery" BS that we all learned in school.
I DO believe that the banking cartels have had something to do with these assassinations/ attempts. You say the mafia, I say the banks. Potato - Potatoe. Same thing.
A big "I don't know".
But I don't see a lot of support for anyone being shot by minions of the bankers, except for possibly Andrew Jackson.
Why would the ruling Establishment go to such great pains to canonize Lincoln as "our greatest President", if he was considered an enemy (or double crosser) worthy of killing? Think it through. It doesn't make any sense. Why make him into a hero?
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The same reason they do it
The same reason they do it to everyone who's policy is in complete contradiction to our current one; facade support. Jefferson, Washington, and Jackson all would have revolted by now and they are all part of our money.
Its not going to happen
Its not going to happen unless everyone wakes up. We have to many people on the public dole that will continue to vote for more theft.
Then whats a strategy for us
Then whats a strategy for us in the mean time?