Gun rights for everyone is about to be taken away

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Thorough youtube clip with lots of documentation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCxAYMaXTXQ

great video to explain HR2159.

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It's easy for them to take away paper rights from a room in DC

Taking the guns from our hands will be a different thing. Are they going to send the teenie bopper stazi squads to die trying ???

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This is all about how the law is tricking us again.

Congress CAN NOT legislate over the 50 states, they can ONLY legislate over "The United States" which ONLY includes D.C., Puerto Rico, Territories

§ 5. United States defined
The term “United States”, as used in this title in a territorial sense, includes all places and waters, continental or insular, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, except the Canal Zone.

and

§ 23.1 Court of the United States defined
As used in this title, except where otherwise expressly provided [2] the term “court of the United States” includes the District Court of Guam, the District Court for the Northern Mariana Islands, and the District Court of the Virgin Islands.

This "law" ONLY applies to "International Terrorism", and "Domestic Terrorism"
Domestic ALWAYS means in or on Federal territory,
for example, A domestic trust is one set up under the jurisdiction of the Federal Govt. A domestic corporation means the same.
"The United States" is located in D.C.

[UNITED STATES CODE, TITLE 28, PART VI, CHAPTER 176, Judicial and
Judiciary Procedure, SUB CHAPTER A, Sec. 3002. Definitions (15),
p. 564, ''United States'' means -

(A) a Federal corporation;

Status of citizenship of United States is privilege, and Congress
is free to attach any preconditions to its attainment that it deems
fit and proper. In re Thanner, D.C.Colo.1966, 253 F.Supp. 283. See,
also, Boyd v. Nebraska, Neb.1892, 12 S.Ct. 375, 143 U.S. 162, 36
L.Ed. 103; Application of Bernasconi, D.C.Cal.1953, 113 F.Supp. 71;
In re Martinez, D.C.Pa.1947, 73 F.Supp. 101; U.S. v. Morelli,
D.C.Cal.1943, 55 F.Supp. 181; In re De Mayo, D.C.Mo.1938, 26
F.Supp. 696; State v. Boyd, 1892, 51 N.W. 602, 31 Neb. 682.

CALIFORNIA COMMERCIAL CODE
SECTION 9301- 9342

9307. (h) The United States is located in the District of
Columbia.
link http://law.onecle.com/california/commercial/9307.html

This is the "gun ban" bill excerpt:
(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

Notice that it is NOT any ONE of the above items, but all, as indicated by the word "and" after (B)(iii)

This is another way to trick us into being under the legislation of Congress, and to put ourselves into the "United States" jurisdiction.

ALL GUN BANS APPLY to "citizens of the United States", and "Nationals of the United States" NOT sovereigns, or "state Natonals"

For the record, before Mike Lawson starts yelling...Im not suggesting you go out and try to buy "illegal guns" or any other perceived "illegal" activity, but we do need to start making sure all of these laws, that are actually constitutional (because of there applicability to D.C.and fed territories only) are adhered to in the correct manner, AND that Humans stop mis-classifying themselves.

NOTICE, your entire life you have heard "Ignorance of the Law is NO EXCUSE" this is so you can never use "I didnt know the law" as any defense.

It never ceases to amaze me

the extent to which these putative Christians display such pettiness, meanness, and most distressingly, utter failure to uphold Christian beliefs.

You named yourself that because someone else named themselves something offensive? This is how Christ expects you to respond to the stupidity and pettiness of others, not by turning the other cheek but by gettin' em back?

You're adherence to Christian values is as poor as your argumentation, and you make all Christians look like small minded fools.

The government giveth

and the government taketh away. What's the problem. Gun ownership is a government given right.

Where does the governments power come from?

I mean where is it supposed to come from? Not the tyranny we call a government today, but what we were meant to be. It comes from the consent of the people.

No legitimate government confers rights, the people confer the right to exist on the government. All rights are inherent in the people. The people are born with all rights, and only by specifically delegating or passing those rights to another entity do they forfeit them.

Here is a quote from the Alabama Constitution, that sums it up pretty well:

"Objective of government.

That the sole object and only legitimate end of government is to protect the citizen in the enjoyment of life, liberty, and property, and when the government assumes other functions it is usurpation and oppression."

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"What was taken from the boomers, it ain't there, what was taken from the X'ers it ain't there, what is being taken from their great, great, great squared grandchildren it ain't there. Some generation just has to have the guts to quit passing it on." Me

*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*

Government power comes from force

It comes from guns, threats of prison, coersion, taxes,...

WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
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You can be taught!

So, you admit that all government power comes from it's use of force.

That's a good start.

I know what we live under today, I was speaking of a legitimate

government, one that actually is under the consent of the people. Not, the tyrannical, dictatorship, slave state we live under in Ameriacastan.

With what we have now, you are right on the money. But, allow me to add tazers as well.

"What was taken from the boomers, it ain't there, what was taken from the X'ers it ain't there, what is being taken from their great, great, great squared grandchildren it ain't there. Some generation just has to have the guts to quit passing it on." Me

*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*

In America's case

guns gave us our government. It was the British who tried to take them away but they were beaten back. Perhaps you would prefer that the British had prevailed, after all they were "our government" at the time and we were very disobedient.

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New Hampshire and Ecuador

And we used those guns

out of necessity to receive what we wanted, independence. Then we were given a right to have guns by our new government to fight any further usurpation of that independence. Funny, I don't see anyone willing to do so..

Acknowledged instead of given maybe?

But you are right. Now when the government our forebears created has, through gradual erosion and encroachment, become the major usurper of our independence few are yet alarmed enough at their shackles to turn off the TV and do something.
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New Hampshire and Ecuador

idiot

troll

with a name like yours

I don't know why the ban button hasn't been used yet.

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Isn't "smack" slang for kiss?

i hope he means

fag as in cigarette.....

Or else he should be banned based on his screename alone.

In America it also means to hit

or put down, e.g. "smack down". and fag is a derogatory term, unless you're talking about a cigarette or a log of wood, but even then really, he comes on here, uses a name like his and then puts down our inborn rights? this is really bad satire just used to rile up daily paulers.

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No, the name

is just to see where Michael stands on offensive screen names. I bet I get booted before GodWhacker does.

Your wish is granted .

banned.

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so you're a confirmed troll

don't even respond to his posts people, he wants to be banned, I don't know why.

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Oh, you've got some discovery to do

The constitution and government cannot give rights because it has no rights to give. I'm born with rights, the constitution merely spells out a few of them. Government can only give priveledges, rights cannot be givien or taken away by anyone.

Gun ownership is NOT a government given right.

The right to self defense is a Natural Right, and is given by God, not government.

"A free people claim their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate." --Thomas Jefferson

Fellow Veterans, This Is A Call To Arms!

http://www.facebook.com/events/192677970828185/

February 20, 2012 - Veterans For Ron Paul March on D.C.!

Show me in the Bible

where it says we have the right to own guns. Bet you can't. Guns are made by man and are subject to mans regulations.

There aren't guns

in the Bible but consider this:

In the Bible men typically carried weapons. It was the improper use of those weapons that constituted a crime, not their possession. Weapons are neither good nor evil. It’s the person controlling the weapon that determines its use.

True Christians believe we have a personal responsibility to obey God’s law which forbids murder, theft, and other crimes that typically involve weapons. When we were a Christian nation this issue never came up. But since we no longer are, we have to replace personal responsibility with legislation to control our behavior. This approach invariably treats the symptom, not the cause, and gun control is no exception.

http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/gun-control/

“The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.” Ron Paul - The Revolution

What would religion have to do with this ?

It's a pure biological survival instinct that tells a person that they need to be equipped/armed at least as well as those who would kill them. It goes back to the beginning of time . If your neighbour has a big club with a spike in it you damn well better have one too. It's the government that has no "right" to tell you how to defend yourself . In fact they have no "Right" to tell you anything.

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Hey sentinel

why don't you read the post I was answering and you will see why I asked my question.

Besides, I'm not arguing what should be but how things are.

Jesus did not say, "Go ye therefore and buy a Smith & Wesson."

However, he did tell his disciples to arm themselves.

Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

For more on this important subject, this site has insight:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25442

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." 2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV

"It’s not like I’m just trying to win and get elected. I’m trying to change the course of history." ~Ron Paul

The word of "The LORD"

is sharper than any double edged sword.

Re: Show me in the Bible

The comment is not worth responding to.

Well the Bible does predate guns by a few years....

But Jesus did tell the twelve disciples that if they didn't already have a sword to go sell their cloaks to buy one... Luke 22:44

And from the Old Testament "The Israelites went out of Egypt armed for battle." Exodus 12:39

God said it is a mans responsibility to protect himself and his family...If you really want me to point out exactly where, I'll read the whole book again, you should pick it up, its an interesting read.

I have read a few other religious texts, and everyone of them teaches roughly the same lesson - That the life given to you is devine, and it is your responsiblity to protect it.

“Let a man never stir on his road a step without his weapons of war; for unsure is the knowing when need shall arise of a spear on the way without.” - Odin

Fellow Veterans, This Is A Call To Arms!

http://www.facebook.com/events/192677970828185/

February 20, 2012 - Veterans For Ron Paul March on D.C.!

I am well versed in Scripture

The old testament also says that you should kill homosexuals. Would you like to agree with me on that. I doubt it because you only read the parts that are pleasing to you. Under Scriptural teaching we are suppose to be as "lambs for the slaughter" so that we may receive a better reward. But this is not a bible forum.

Guns are mad by man and are subject to mans regulation. It's not a pleasing concept but it is true.