Ten Questions for Those Forecasters Who Predict Inevitable Deflation by Gary North

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Over the years, there have been a tiny handful of hard-money industry forecasters who have predicted that there will be an inevitable era of falling prices. I don't mean stable money with slowly falling prices due to increased productivity, such as with falling computer prices. I mean a period of deflationary depression, where the central bank is powerless to stop falling consumer prices by pumping in fiat money.

These forecasters have been wrong. No post-World War II industrial nation has experienced falling prices as much as 3% per annum. Japan has had a few years where prices fell by 1%, followed by years where prices went up slightly. Japan's experience contradicts the deflationists: no secular price deflation. See the chart. Yet Japan is always the #1 example used by deflationists. This is because they have no other example. They never refer to the chart or other statistics. They just talk endlessly about Japan's deflation, as if it were a reality.

There are ten questions that the deflationists need to answer.

1. Was price inflation after 1933 caused by central banks and fractional reserve banks? The answer is yes. If they answer anything else, they are crackpots. They won't.

2. Is price inflation primarily a monetary phenomenon? Ludwig von Mises said it is. Milton Friedman said it is. See if the deflationist has another answer. Make sure he points to detailed studies that prove his answer: several books and a lot of scholarly articles on price history.

3. Is newly created money from a central bank or commercial banks created by purchasing an asset, usually a debt? It is. Since deflationists rest their case on this fact, they will answer in the affirmative.

4. Do commercial banks have an incentive to lend money to solvent borrowers? The answer is obviously yes. The debate comes when defining "solvency."

5. Do commercial banks pay interest on deposits? The answer is yes. Even in zero-interest accounts, such as checking accounts, the bank provides services that cost it money.

6. How can commercial banks afford to pay interest on deposits? They pay it by taking in more from borrowers than they pay to depositors. They make it on the spread between these two rates. The deflationist knows this.

7. When a central bank lends money to the government to buy its bonds, what does the government do with the money? The correct answer is "spends it."

8. When someone receives a check from the government, what does he do with it? The correct answers are: (1) "deposits it in his bank; (2) cashes it at a local bank or Wal-Mart or other check-cashing service.

9. What does the check-cashing company do with the check? The correct answer is "deposits it in its bank."

10. What does the bank do with the check? This is the central question. This divides inflationists from deflationists. Let's look at the possible answers.

A. It sends all of it to the regional Federal Reserve Bank as reserves and also excess reserves. The Federal Reserve pays the federal funds rate on excess reserves. These days, this is about 0.15% per annum. This is less than banks pay depositors. They lose money on the deal. The FED does, too: it does not lend this money. It's like vault cash.
B. It sends the minimal reserve (10% or less) to the regional Federal Reserve Bank and lends the rest. Whatever it lends is in the form of a check. The check is deposited in a bank. At that point, the receiving bank must decide what to do with it: A, B, or C.

C. It converts some or all of the money to vault cash. Vault cash is a legal substitute for reserves held at the FED. It pays no interest.

The deflationist argues that at some point, commercial banks will hold most of their money as vault cash or excess reserves. This stops the fractional reserve process. This stabilizes the money supply. But this argument does not answer this question: "How does a refusal to lend shrink the money supply?" Stabilization, yes. Contraction, no.

The inflationist says that banks can and do hold some (not all) deposits as excess reserves. This is a short-term policy. Banks cannot hold all deposits as excess reserves or vault cash. This is because banks must earn a return higher than what they pay to depositors. Otherwise, they go out of business.

Bankrupt banks' really bad assets are bought by the FDIC, which must sell T-bills to come up with the money, or else borrow from Congress, which must sell T-bills to come up with the money. The FDIC then pays depositors with checks. These checks are deposited in other banks.

The rest of the busted bank's assets are bought by other banks, which then are added to their balance sheets. This allows them to lend money.

So, the "how to pay depositors" problem does not go away from the banking system as a system. It is merely transferred from insolvent banks to solvent banks. The money supply does not shrink. There is no monetary deflation.

The inflationist argues that banks must eventually lend. When they lend, this begins the fractional reserve money-multiplication process.

The deflationist says, "There are no credit-worthy borrowers. Banks will not lend." The inflationist says this:

b>As long as a bank accepts deposits, it must eventually lend the money. The proof that banks have credit-worthy borrowers is the fact that all banks accept deposits.
This answer is the heart of the debate between deflationists and inflationists. This is the crux of the matter.

For the deflationist to make a logical case, he must explain why a bank accepts a deposit if it has no income to pay the interest on the deposit. He must explain what motivates bankers to accept deposits when they have no intention or possibility of lending the deposit.

Short-term, yes. A bank can hold excess reserves or vault cash, and pay depositors from the higher income on credit cards, consumer loans, and so forth.

The deflationist ignores the obvious: banks honor credit card purchases. A credit card purchase is an extension of a loan to the user who uses his card. This is an unsecured loan. Banks honor these transactions.

The deflationist rests his case on banking as a system of currency in a mattress. Currency in a mattress explains anti-bank thrift. The person takes money out of a bank and hides it in a mattress. He forgoes interest. That is deflationary. This has not happened to the American banking system since the creation of the FDIC in 1934. That was why the government created it.

Banks cannot make money with vault cash. They do not make enough money with excess reserves. It's a holding operation.

They can make money lending the U.S. government money. They can buy bonds. If they face bankruptcy as a system, the Federal Reserve System and Congress can simply compel them to buy bonds.

The deflationist must argue: "The Federal Reserve System would never do such a thing. Also, Congress would never do such a thing. Besides, no President would sign such a law, no matter how large the Federal deficit gets."

Ha, ha, ha. And, I might add, ho, ho ho.

I am not arguing that price deflation is impossible. If the Federal Reserve stops buying assets, or especially if it sells assets, there will be a depression and price deflation. The FED might do this if its economists believe that hyperinflation is more destructive than price deflation. That is a policy issue.

What I am saying is that the decision rests with the central bank. We are not facing a situation in which the central bank cannot prevent price deflation. The deflationist argues that this will be the case some day, and maybe today.

To which I respond with two questions:

1. Why does every bank accept deposits?
2. How can a bank stay in business if it accepts deposits and holds 100% of them in vault cash or excess reserves with the FED?

I am waiting for clear-cut answers to these two questions.

Note to deflationists: You must show how a bank accepts a liability (deposit) without creating an asset (loan). Begin with the T-accounts in Murray Rothbard's book, The Mystery of Banking. It's here. Free.

http://mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf

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What about the miraculous shrinking cereal boxes?

Same price as a few years ago - only a third smaller.

One thing that Europeans tourists used to comment on were the "huge portion sizes" in the USA.

Now it seems that Americans are enjoying European style portions and Europeans are going on a diet.

In Britain, asset prices took a dip last year. Then the Bank of England started "quantitative easing". The effects were felt quickly. Mortgage approvals and house prices are going up again in certain areas.

"I believe the true significance of the Gold Commission is that the politicians and central bankers were so alarmed at such a thing that they made sure it was packed by an array of Keynesians and monetarists." (Ron Paul 1985)

From John Mauldin's Investor Insight

How can you possibly suggest that deflation will prevail when commodity prices are likely to rise further as a result of seemingly endless demand from emerging economies? Won't rising energy prices ensure a healthy dose of inflation, effectively protecting us from the evils of the deflationary spiral?

Good question - counterintuitive answer:

Contrary to common belief, rising commodity prices can in fact be deflationary so long as demand for such commodities is relatively inelastic, which is usually the case for basic necessities such as heating oil, petrol, food, etc. The logic is the following: As commodity prices rise, money earmarked for other items goes towards meeting the higher commodity price and consumers are essentially forced to re-allocate their spending budget. This causes falling demand for discretionary items and can in extreme cases lead to deflation. We only have to go back to 2008 for the latest example of a commodity price induced deflationary cycle.

The entire article here:
http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_...

It feels like both...

The banks are not lending like they did before.
Groceries and gas prices are rising.
Real estate and stocks are stabilizing.
Money is scarce.
Jobs are scarce.
Commodities are relatively stable.

Why does Gary North forget about the roughly 60% defation that occured from 1929-1933?

Banks are hoarding temporarily. Just like people are. But Gary is right, banks are not in business to hoard. Eventually they will lend, fail, or find a more lucrative endeavor.

Republicae

Republicae,

This response is to you and this article trying to debunk anyone predicting further deflation as opposed to inflation. I am not a professional, but merely someone interested in monetary policy thanks to Ron Paul. I also follow all those money managers who also got the financial meltdown prediction correct. Some are predicting inflation, some are predicting deflationary conditions. I am also married to a banker : ) I love this debate of ideas.

First, the definition of deflation is the decrease in money supply AND credit. If the Fed creates 2 Trillion in credit through quantitative easing (prints it) and 14 Trillion in credit destruction has occurred in the last year, that leaves a gap in favor of credit destruction. Could the Fed be pumping in Trillions secretly? It's possible and has happened in the past. So, I would have to assume a conspiracy is afoot, which if true, would change the game. That is why HR1207 is important.

The answer to #10 is "C" The Banks are sitting on cash payed for by higher fees to borrow money. Yes, there is enough profit left over to pay the bank employees.

Your question, "Why does every bank accept deposits?" and "How can a bank stay in business if it accepts deposits and holds 100%?" has a surprisingly simple answer. Banks are using money from TARP and other sources to clean up their balance sheets. They are using the remainder to give out low risk loans. The loans already out there and new loans USED to have a fee of 100 basis points. They have jacked up the fee to 300 basis points to cover any money lost by sitting on a lot of cash. They are indeed sitting on cash and paying for it by passing the cost onto customers.

You can get a loan for almost 0% interest. That does not cost the bank a bit. In fact, they make money through basis points fees. Not much of this is going on because there is no demand for loans. Everyone is trying to reduce debt through reducing their credit, therefore, they are not taking out loans to buy stuff or expand. They are not buying stuff, so prices get reduced to try and move inventory. All this reduction of credit is outpacing the Fed's ability to create credit, which is the definition of Deflation.

The most common problem with

The most common problem with a total fiat currency system is inflation and the most uncommon problem with a total fiat currency system is deflation. In fact, it is very rare that there is ever a deflationary event under a total fiat economy; usually, any deflationary pressure occurs as the result of the artificially induced business cycles where the inflated bubble burst. However, that portion of the business cycle is the economic system seeking a realistic equilibrium which washes out mal-investments, poor business decisions and the corruption that usually is associated with easy-money policies implemented by the FED. We have seen, over the last 96 years that the value of money has been regulated to disorder, distortions abound and economic probabilities are not longer to be considered reliable, at least not as commonly understood.

As such, the complete system has been impaired by the immense distortions, not only in the time value of money related to interest rates, but in other essential areas such as contracts, and even property rights involving actual allodial title. The powers thus exercised by the State, both in the granting of charters, the issuance of “bills of credit” does, in a very real sense, defy the normal operating principles behind the market economy, causing distortions that cannot be remedied by the expansion of more government or central banking intervention. So, in defiance of all the clear provisions of the Constitution, the State created the central banking system and authorized it to issue bills of credit, primarily on behalf of the government itself, in order to allow a vast expansion of government power and the abuses that closely relate to that power.

There is always, without exception, a huge disadvantage and loss in the quality of credit when a total fiat system is employed within a country. Under such a system there is an eventual check on productive labor through the process of depreciating the real value of wages through fiat money. As Webster stated: "Of all the contrivances for cheating mankind, none has been more effectual than that which deludes them with paper money. This is the most effectual of inventions to fertilize the rich man's field with the sweat of the poor man's brow."

Your argument has been made several times before on the DP and several times I have given answer to the fallacy that there has been a destruction of credit that neutralizes the effects of the massive increase in the money base. It seems to make sense and yet, those who propose such formulas for deflation never provide the mechanics of just how that works, since deflation is, by definition, the contraction of both credit and the money base, not just one or the other. Thus far, the argument that proposes a deflationary event has proved to be little more than rhetorical excesses without much through to the actual position that 96 years of massive inflationary policies have created in this economy.

Most, if not all, of those who predict deflation seem to isolate the various monetary and economic phenomena under an umbrella they call deflation without every providing or distinguishing any of the analytical data required to support such predictions.

If we are in deflation then where is it? If what you and others say is true then there should be a broad and discernable spread of deflation throughout all economic sectors, but that is not, nor has it been the case since the panic of 2008. The official CPI numbers, which I don’t place any credence in, have show positive not negative rates. Taking into consideration that the government changed the methods by which they calculated most methods of economic indicators to reflect a positive light on government policy then the rate of inflation has always been much higher than is reflected in the official CPI and other indicators. That being said, what then is the rate of real inflation, or in deference to your argument, real deflation?

The indicators that are perhaps most important are actual pricing across the board, in particular commodities such as food, energy and durable goods. Additionally, another indicator of inflation is the value of the dollar on exchange markets, the value placed on the dollar in those markets always indicates the real rate of inflation. If deflation was taking place, and I mean broad deflation, not narrow, then it would be reflected in the valuation placed on the dollar in exchange markets, they are giving no such indication that the value of the dollar has increased because of deflation, just the opposite.

I would welcome deflation, for it would mean that the purchasing power of the dollar has, for the first time since the late 20s, increased under this fiat regime. The fact is that the purchasing power of the dollar is a fantastic indicator of whether actual deflation is taking place or not. Has the purchasing power of the dollar increased? NO, for it to increase there would have to be a complete reversal of 96 years of inflationary debasement of the currency itself. Since the dollar holds the purchasing power of approximately 3 to 5 cents today, that would have to be a massive degree of deflation to achieve the purchasing power of 100 real cents or, in other words, the appreciation of the dollar in real purchasing value. This total fiat monetary system has created massive distortions, not only in the economy, but in the manner in which the economy is measured and seen by everyone.

Deflation, in real terms, is therefore, out of the question. While there may well be various decreases in pricing in sectors of the economy, primarily as a reflection of the bust of the last artificially created bubble, the over all ability of an actual deflationary event under a total fiat regime is nil since the value of the currency has been debased to an extreme degree through decades of monetary inflation. You see, the means by which the FED has debased the currency has been a slow and steady process, it has taken 96 years to bring the purchasing power of the dollar down to levels that if happened overnight would cause an absolute inflationary panic and widespread social unrest. Thus the process of controlled debasement through steady inflation allows the debasement of the currency without the public noticing what is taking place.

The most common misconception about inflation or deflation is one where our point of view is isolated to our present moment in time. The truth is that we are living and have been living under massive inflation for decades. Today it takes approximately $100,000.00 in our inflated, thus debased currency to purchase what $5,000.00 purchased in 1913 under a real 100 cent dollar. I would welcome deflation because it would provide more purchasing power for each and ever dollar in my pocket. In order for us to have broad deflation there would have to be a massive revaluation of the dollar to the positive, increasing the purchasing power of the dollar from its present 3 to 5 cents per $1.00 face value, that would be a good thing, but its not going to happen. Once again, based on government CPI, there has not been a massive increase in the purchasing power of the dollar but only a very, very minor increase. That does not support the claim that we are in or heading toward a deflationary event since we have had such minor increases under the total fiat system in the past 40 years without any real deflationary pressures presenting themselves to the point where broad deflation in the pricing structure of the economy occurred.

The nature of fiat currency, at least in today’s fiat regime, is that all bank notes and reserve deposits are not money in the strictest sense of the word, they are, in fact, only instantaneously redeemable titles to a non-existent property. At one time all bank notes and reserve deposits were actual title receipts to real property and that was gold and silver that those title receipts represented. The banks have essentially issued fictitious title claims with no actual property that corresponds to those titles. The entire purpose of such a massive scheme is the complete redistribution of wealth and income from the productive sector to the non-productive sector which is the government. That fact in and of itself should be enough to cause anyone with half a brain to reconsider supporting anything this government does or believe anything its pundits say.

The result of this type of monetary policy and the monetary mechanics used to support such policies distort the economy by monetary expansion, thus when “new money” is created and injected into the economic stream, no matter the path of that stream, any subsequent contraction in the money supply is not really necessary since the purchasing power of each monetary unit is diluted proportionally to the increase in the money supply. The government and central bankers love this fact. The facilitation of the creation of these non-property titles in the form of Federal Reserve Notes are the ultimate cause of inflationary and also transitional deflationary problems. I use the term transitional because since the fiat economy relies so heavily upon bubble creation for growth, the resulting deflation of the bubble is a transitional stage between the boom, bust and the re-inflation of the subsequent bubble. That is exactly what we have been seeing recently since the Panic of 2008 and it is leading to a far greater bubble that will not only be far more expansive in scope, but highly inflationary in nature. It is important to stress, once again, that the economy today is far different than that of the early 30s because the nature of the monetary system is completely different, resulting in a very different set of conclusions than occurred during the early deflationary periods of the 1930s.

For the most part, those who predict deflation use a Keynesian modality to make such predictions, at least everyone that I have read has been very close to the Keynesian definition of deflation which basically is determined by negative CPI and economic contraction. There are however, several forms of deflation including cash-building deflation, growth deflation, confiscatory deflation and, of course, bank credit deflation. Everyone that I have encountered who predict deflation do so from a Keynesian “liquidity trap” point of view, in other words there has been some form of “liquidity trap” that will not allow or will nullify the effects of monetary base expansion. Some say credit destruction however, they have yet to describe how credit is being destroyed or how such destruction is in fact deflationary. It appears that even several commentators here on the DP, who predict deflation, do so from the same Keynesian point of view and I find that rather odd. Many, in fact, sound more like Krugman than Mises or Rothbard or Ron Paul when both describing and thus predicting deflation.

Here is an example of Krugman’s liquidity trap: “…a situation in which conventional monetary policies have become impotent, because nominal interest rates are at or near zero, injecting monetary base into the economy has no effect because base and bonds are viewed by the private sector as perfect substitutes.” I would say that is almost corresponding to the very message we are being given by those, even here on the DP, for the reasons that an increase of the monetary base or supply will not have any effect since there has been an overwhelming destruction of credit during this latest crisis. The fact is that, like Krugman, those who predict deflation cannot show any correlation between the two.

While there is a direct correlation between the excessive issuance of fiat money with inflation and the contraction of that money with deflation there are also numerous other factors involved with each of those monetary phenomena. The primarily cause of the issuance of excessive fiat money is budget deficit spending. It is important therefore, to understand the degree to which such spending has taken place over the last few decades and the cumulative effects such spending has on and how it influences possible inflationary pressures. Of course, most people are not aware of these effects and therefore tend to ignore them when speaking about either inflation or deflation. Government spending, even if it is not deficit spending has a direct effect on the economic machinery of the country however, when there is deficit spending the effects are almost incalculable because of the degree of distortion that is created within the entire economic structure.

It is also necessary to understand that part of the purpose behind fiat money is that it allows governments to spend without any real regard to deficits. As we have seen, this fiat mentality promotes a massive degree of wasteful spending, this too creates vast distortions within the economic system and foundational structures. In most cases the government always taxes the most productive sectors within the economy diverting that productive capital into unproductive sectors thereby creating what amounts to a vampire economy. This type of economy will always, without exception, have harmful effects, which are all cumulative in nature, on production. It prevents capital creation to the point that there must be even more real productivity in order to attempt to nullify the effects of monetary policies of the government.

Eventually, of course, the entire economic system becomes infected with this distortion that comes from wasteful and even non-wasteful government spending because of the pressure of both additional taxation and the increase in the deficit which requires a greater base of the money supply to cover the deficit spending.

Can you tell me one instance where a total fiat regime has suffered a massive bout with deflation? Is there any instance in history where deflation has take place when a central bank, like the FED, has had the unlimited power to print money, create credit and extend monetary policy on a global scale? Of course, the common answer is the 1930s however, that is not a proper comparison since the dollar was not total fiat but still tied to gold. I have yet to find anyone who can provide me with one instance where deflation has taken place under a total fiat regime; I can however, show a multitude of inflationary and hyperinflationary events that have taken place under total fiat regimes.

The question must arise within any debate on the subject of both inflation and deflation as to the nature of credit; how it is created and the effects of credit on the economy in conjunction with the increase in the money base. The convergence of several factors are therefore, necessary to effect inflationary pressures being reflected in pricing, it is not instantaneous normally and can take several years for the actual pricing to be effected in the economy. The idea of “debt deflation” is one that is commonly quoted by those who advocate a deflationary event or depression, yet they superimpose the idea that since there is debt deflation or credit destruction that it is indicative of a deflationary event in broad economic terms.

Many suppose that credit is virtual money and acts, essentially, as the money supply, but does it? As the scenario goes, since there has been a massive degree of both credit destruction and restriction then the amount of money “printed” by the FED does not matter and will not cause inflation. If we consider credit an actual part of the money supply, acting exactly as physical money does when placed into circulation then there may well be an issue upon which those who see a deflationary event may stand however, credit does not act in the same way nor is it extended in the same manner as money is under the fractional reserve system. Credit acts very differently than physical money because the nature of credit allows for the over-extension of means, physical money does not. So, what is the effect of the extension of credit within the economic system? It is similar, but not the same, as the expansion of the money supply. Will there be a deflationary event brought about by credit contraction? To a degree, but since it operates differently than money and is based on time value instead of present value there is a substantial different with very different effects on the economic system. It is essential to understand that they are both parts of the fiat system, both fiat credit and money are part of the same inflationary system that has been created and manipulated by the FED and its ancillary “agencies”.

There are some similarities between the two, but they are different animals which operate on different economic principles with different economic results. There must the consideration of what we call “cash-holdings” and “credit availability”, both allow for economic exchange, but do so in a manner that produces differing results, one being direct, the other indirect. Cash holdings involve direct exchange while credit, of course, indirect with the inclusion of a debt obligation on top of the exchange. However, it must be considered, and understood, that the indirect exchange involved with credit also involves a later direct exchange when the debt is settled through payment.

Everything changed in 1971, there was basically a complete transformation of economic processes globally. Additionally, at the behest of the U.S. government, the IMF was given the privilege of issuing Special Drawing Rights which would allow every country to inflate without endangering their domestic currencies. The called SDRs paper gold because it was suppose to act as gold would as a reserve. The system that was once based on asset value, at least to a degree, was completely transformed into a debt-based system of valuation with each fiat note representing a legal notification of a debt obligation. It is impossible to detail the amount of distortion created by such a transformation, but it was nothing short of revolutionary and it completely changed the manner by which the economy normally functioned, replacing the natural functions with artificial functions which seek, by government mandate, to operate the system without the usual parameters commonly associated with economic processes. Essentially, the economy was no longer allowed to self-regulate as it usually would to clear out distortions, malinvestments and disruptions.

Now, your supposition is that there has been approximately $14 Trillion in credit destruction and only $2 Trillion in credit creation by the FED over the last year, yet you and others neglect the fact that there are also Trillions of dollars in both the money supply and credit, not to mention in “Euro-Dollars” in circulation. The U.S. Debt, comprised primarily of U.S. Treasuries and other obligations represent a massive amount of monetary instruments. All of these factors, including the most recent inflationary policies of the FED all stack up toward an inflationary bubble. Additionally, as you said, we simply don’t know exactly what the FED is doing because they don’t reveal very much information about their monetary operations. It was also revealed that the FED has, particularly recently, provided U.S. Dollar reserves to other countries apparently as a carrot to keep them from abandoning the dollar. There is a cumulative effect to all these factors and yet, from what I have read, most who predict deflation always, without exception ignore those cumulative factors when making such predictions.

Under normal circumstances, broadly speaking, prices will eventually reflect the quantity of money being created. The percentage of that reflection can range from a direct correlation between the amount of the increase or decrease, to a far greater percentage based on how the money is forced into or out of the economy. There are many who advance The Quantity Theory of Money, particularly most of those who predict deflation however, I have found that the theory is set on some very oversimplified assumptions regarding fiat money, the manner in which it is created and how it is filtered through the economic system. In fact, if you look carefully into the manner in which money is both created and entered into circulation you will quickly find that there are numerous fallacies regarding what is commonly known as the “velocity of money” and its supposed effects on either inflation or deflation. Since money does not really circulate, but is exchanged for and against goods and services there is a corresponding cycle between the exchange of money and the turnover of goods and services within the economy. The pertinent fact is not that money exchanges hand or circulates a certain number of times during a given period of time, but that the result of exchange is commerce that is independent of the number of times money changes hands in circulation. When we boil the facts down what is left is the fact that there is actually no really reliable statistics on the velocity of money in circulation, the closest thing to actual figures regarding something resembling velocity is the cycling of demand bank deposits, but that cannot determine actual circulation in economic exchange.

Thus those who use the theory of the velocity of money to support their predictions of deflation, or for that matter inflation, do so with a massive blind spot. There are so many variables involved in these economic processes that the use of the velocity theory contains a major flaw in terms of a predictive quality. It is important to remember that with every sale, thus exchange of money, there is a corresponding purchase. Both sides of the equation are of the same nature. Since that is true then it should be obvious that the velocity of money within the economy is an effect of extremely complex factors other than simply the number of times money changes hands in a given time, it is not the cause of anything but the result of something.

Also, when thinking of the velocity of money there is a tendency to believe that prices either rise or fall based on what is called a price level. During inflationary periods, prices do not rise uniformly, nor during a deflationary period do they fall uniformly however, in order to have actual inflation or deflation of a monetary nature, prices eventually become broadly indicative of either inflation or deflation. Narrow inflation or deflation episodes are not necessarily indicative of either inflationary or deflationary events, but may be the result of certain distortions created by artificial or natural causes.

Now remember, this government put a global policy decision in place in the late 60s and that decision was to allow for a rather uniform rate of inflation within the nations of the world. The outcome of that policy decision was the granting of Special Drawing Rights to the IMF with the intent that countries would be more app to inflate if their own currencies were not completely isolated by that inflation. The primary purpose of this was to actually allow the U.S. to inflate without becoming an economic outcast.

Additionally, from what I have read, including the writings of the numerous deflation pundits, they don’t appear to be inclined nor actually equipped to disentangle the various separate economic processes which they claim to be deflationary and render an account that is coherent enough to explain the various processes which, whether deflationary or not, would present a danger to economic efficiency and the welfare of the economy to the point that economic productivity would be impaired to such a degree that this economy, already distorted by decades of inflationary monetary policy and calculation, could suffer under a deflationary bout leading to a deflationary depression.

There are natural economic inflations and deflations that take place in the economy all the time, most are not recognized, but those are very different that the artificially induced forms manufactured by the monetary policies of central banks, those are the problems. Now, since 1933 we have not seen a single instance of central bank deflationary policy, there have been contractions in the money and credit supply, as witnessed during the Paul Volcker era at the FED, but even that drastic contraction in monetary policy didn’t produce anything resembling malign deflation.

While most who predict deflation see unemployment as a sign of a deflationary trend, the fact is that we have been reached the equilibrium level where the wage-price spiral has been preceded by an increase in the money supply. While there have been a decrease in some prices, particularly real estate, that also does not necessarily mean that a deflationary trend has developed, in fact you can have an increase in prices with a decrease in both credit and money with the effect of a fall in business sales and profit. Normally however, an increase in both wages and prices are indicative of the amount of force used to increase the money supply. What we are witnessing today is little more then the continuing effects of a massive bubble exhaustion, not a deflationary event. The FED and our dear ole government are in the process of re-inflating the bubble, only much larger than at anytime in our history.

I’m not sure where you are banking at, but last week averaged rates for a 30 year fixed were at 5.36%, this week they hover around the 5.30% mark, that is substantially higher than around 0%. Now, you tell me that the banks are essentially not making any money on mortgage interest and have replaced that income with basis point fees…hmmm! Think about that for one minute. So, they replace their monthly interest income with a one-time origination fee that is regulated and limited by government legislation to a small percentage of the loan amount, even the yield spread they can charge is limited by regulatory decree and yet you want us to believe that they have actually replaced interest income with origination fees. Federally Charted Banks are restrained to around 1 to 2 percent on the front end and usually 1 percent on the back end. Title I of the Residential Mortgage Loan Origination Standards governs the origination of all mortgage loan products in this country and the last time I checked they have not changed. Yet, you say that the banks now get their income from one-time origination fees associated with a loan and that income is enough to replace the untold billions of dollars in monthly income, whether the bank “shelves” the loan or they “bundle” the loans into “pools” to sell as MBS, which, as we know, is a rather discredited market at the moment.

Now, you make some interesting points however, you have not taken many of the factors I expounded upon in the bulk of my commentary into consideration. Money and Credit, what is the difference between the two? Well, we have come to think of money as credit, but it is not nor are they essentially created in the same way, although obviously some people on the DP seem to think so. The fact is that the money created by the FED or “printed out of thin air” is substantially different than the money that is created through the extension of credit. One is a reserve currency, or monetary reserve base, the other is the result of the monetary base being extruded through the fractional reserve system.

It also becomes apparent that there are those who cannot see or perhaps cannot understand the various differences between credit that is issued by a bank lending its own funds which are also known as “commodity credit” and those which are issued or granted by the issuance of a fiduciary media such as notes, deposits not covered by money or “circulation credit”. These are all factors that I rarely see anyone who predicts deflation mention, the question is why don’t they?

For instance, if a bank issues “circulation credit” it does so by discounting a time valued bill of exchange or a claim that becomes payable in a certain amount of time. The question arises how does the bank issue those discounts? Well, it should be obvious that it does so by creating those discounted funds and issuing them into circulation, but we also much recognize that those funds made up of the fiduciary media will, at the time of the issuance expiration, return to the bank of issue. In a much broader sense therefore, it can be understood that there is both an expansion and contraction of the quantity of money taking place on this scale across the general economy. When we consider that banks, in the course of business operations, usually issue fiduciary media only as loans to those who are usually producers and/or merchants then it should be clear that the majority of lending is not directly for the purpose of actual consumption first and foremost, but in the production and payment of wages. Usually the first prices to rise are those of raw materials and other goods of a higher order, along with semi-manufactured goods such as parts and other supplies that will eventually end up as consumer goods. It is therefore, only later that prices of actual consumer goods see an increase, this could take months in some cases and in others it could take much longer.

The changes therefore, in the purchasing power of each monetary unit follows a different path with variations in the effects on the general economy. It is essential to understand that inflation or deflation is not as cut and dry as many make them out to be. Additionally, it is vital to understand that fiat monetary inflation, or as the case maybe, deflation, differs substantially from that which would be found under a commodity monetary system such as gold and silver.

Another interesting fact that few “deflationists” appear to be either unable or unwilling to explain is that of “forced savings” when the money supply increases and wages lag behind those increases. This is definitely the case in our current set of circumstances and while those who predict deflation point out that people are saving because credit is not available miss some important factors concerning “forced savings” during the beginning of an inflationary event. Credit, if restricted, will naturally cause people to increase their savings, lower their current expenses and look upon economic factors, particularly those issued by the government, with skepticism. Additionally, it appears that there are some forces that have been set into motion during this current dislocation that simply cannot be explained as deflationary and that is capital consumption, which rarely takes place during deflationary periods but is always a trait of inflationary events. This capital consumption has been happening at an alarming rate, how can it be explained? Certainly not because of deflation, but inflation.

In the case of reserve currency creation there is actually no claim to title to that money, it is only when that money is extruded through the fractional reserve system that it claims title, the problem is that it allows several entities, whether corporations or individuals, to essentially claim title on the same money since there is never sufficient quantity within the fractional reserve system to cover all the claims at one time. Since all fiat Federal Reserve Notes are essentially a claim on actual money that does not exist in the fiat monetary system there is obviously something that should be troubling to anyone who can logically come to the conclusion that there are no promises behind the Federal Reserve Note IOU.

Now, since there appears to be a huge misconception between the money base and credit creation lets take a look at exactly how the money base is calculated:

M1 is made up of the following:
1. Including all currency outside the U.S. Treasury, Federal Reserve Banks and all vaults of all depository institutions.
2. All non-bank issued traveler’s checks.
3. All demand deposits at commercial banks
4. All other checkable deposits which consists of negotiable order of withdraws, automatic transfer service accounts at depository institutions, share draft accounts and demand deposits at other thrift institutions.

It is interesting, isn’t it, that credit nor the issuance of credit amounts are not included in M1.

Now, M2 is made up of all of M1, plus all savings deposits, time deposits in amounts less than $100k, IRA and Keogh account balances and also balances in all retail money market mutual funds. Again, you will notice that there is no inclusion of credit nor the issuance of credit in the M2.

M3, which is no longer being published by the FED is what we should concern ourselves with regarding potential inflationary pressures, particularly when there is such a close correlation between M3 and M2. If you look at the increase in M3, at least to the best available data, you will see that M3 has 4% in 2005 to around 22% in 2009, that is a substantial increase in the monetary supply in this country. Now, if we are to actually count M3, then we must include the TARP, TAF, PDCP, MMIFF, CPFF, FHFA +AIG+Maiden Lane, stimulus checks considered the “helo drop”, SFP, TSLF and everything else that they have thrown into the equation you will quickly see that the FED & Treasury Total Money supply has increased to the extreme of nearly 110% from around 3% in the year 2000. If we are to believe the deflationary prognosticators then none of this will have any effect on potential inflation since there has been debt deflation which, according to them creates a wash, but that is not the way the fiat monetary system works, nor has it worked that way in the past.

Credit is not virtual money, it is not considered in the balance of accounts, nor does it circulate in the balance of accounts as does money. Credit is a money substitute for the most part, and while there is a factor involved with the deflation of debt the adjustments for such a money substitute are not indicative of a major deflationary event, what I see is more of a credit or debt disinflation taking place, not a deflationary period since thus far there has not been a money supply contraction taking place. In order to have true deflation there must be a contraction in the bankable money supply in existence, that has not taken place and I don't see it happening anytime soon. In fact, there are four things that cause deflationary events: A contraction in the money supply or an increase in the supply of goods or decreasing demand for goods or an increase in the demand for money or a mixture of the preceding causes. Thus far, none of those have happened to a notable degree to effect the pricing structure of broad economic indicators across the board. There has been a drop in the demand of goods however, it has not had an actual effect on broad pricing structure, it's just not there, nor do I believe it will happen at this juncture only as the system inches toward collapse, but even then there are several stages to the fiat monetary collapse that we can all anticipate...deflation being the least dangerous I assure you.

I find it very difficult to believe government statistics of any kind and given the reputation this government has for just out-right lying, its CPI figures are more than just a little suspect. If we take all factors into consideration then we can estimate that the real rate of inflation currently is around the 6% mark, perhaps a bit higher. These figures to not take into account the massive influx of base money supply, or any potential multiplier effect that is coming into play or which will come into play at the inflationary pressures begin to present in the general economy.

There are some indications however that inflation is alive and well in the general economy. June retail sales gained due to rising inflation and the recent PPI surge definitely indicates that it is reflecting far more than just a rise in oil prices. Additionally, the U.S. debt is up more than $2 Trillion from a year ago. All of these point to something far different than a deflationary event, quite the contrary, they are indicators of inflationary pressures. Additionally, we should not be surprised to see even more government stimulus money flowing, more bailouts and other subsidies since none of the previous efforts contributed in any substantial way to the so-called “recovery” and the reason for that is that such measures do nothing to facilitate an actual recovery, it only continues to mask the problems created by the last artificially induced “boom”.

Those prognosticators of deflation have yet to show just how there can be a deflationary event when the ability to “print” reserve currencies, along with the ability to issue credit under a fiat system has always, without exception, dissipated deflationary pressures. Of course, they all point to the Great Depression as an example of deflation however, the economic and monetary model of the Great Depression is substantially different. The FED can and will create positive inflation by the very fact that they can inflate the money supply. Inflation being, by definition an expansion in the money supply and deflation, by definition, a contraction in the money supply.

Good money, sound and legitimate, does not lead an economy, money follows an economy and it only comes to individuals and companies as a result of good management and productivity. The opposite is true of fiat money, it is the product of artificial means, it tends to lead a fiat economy and it necessary to maintain that economy at artificial levels, distorted and contrived, leading to periods of booms and busts that cannot be managed nor do they produce actual wealth only the illusion of that wealth. We have all been witness to just such a scenario, some of us have witnessed several turns of business cycles, all of which follow a rather predictable path, this one has been no different, except in scale.

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Very good points and thank

Very good points and thank you for thinking, and for thinking out loud.

Yes, the part that North ignores in his article is CREDIT.

He glosses over it in #2 of his essay. Yes, inflation is a monetary phenomenon, but it is also a CREDIT phenomenon.

Who has seen money recently? The bills in your wallet are not money - they are the ghost of money. This economy runs on credit, not money. And credit is being destroyed daily, much faster than new credit is being created by the Fed & Congress.

With all due respect to Dr. Paul, the Fed does not "print money." I'm sure he knows the difference, but uses this as a kind of short hand to simplify it for the masses. But the truth is: The Fed does not print money - it creates credit. It may seem like quibbling, but the implications are huge.

A credit economy requires ever increasing amounts of credit to be created in order to keep growing. Once credit creation goes negative, we have deflation.

I urge everyone to read this 60-page E-book on Deflation for a full understanding of what may be ahead.

We all know the inflation argument. Most people don't understand the deflation argument, but they dismiss it anyway.

I will admit that I dont

I will admit that I dont have the slightest idea who is right, because both sides make good points. I do think that the real choice is the stabilized prices we have today or inflation. If we were going to have significant deflation, we probably would have had it already.

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Do you agree with Fed policy

So are they doing what is best trying to prevent the deflationary spiral, by creating all this new credit?
I have never been sold on hyper inflation because I know the people will have to cut back on spending and borrowing, putting a stop to any sudden large uptick in inflation. I think the hyperinflation crowd has to much faith in the Fed and Obamas ability to get the economy pumping again, creating the inflation.

It seems as if they are just setting us up for a long period of no growth. Someone made the point a few months ago about how much credit is being destroyed by the vanishing housing values, it makes alot of sense.
I am going to read the E-book on Deflation.

By the way, this is the best site on the internet and I appreciate everything you do. You are a big reason the message is able to be spread. I have so many fond memories about being educated on different topics through this site.

Thanks Michael

We can't go into debt without credit. If no one gives me credit, I pay cash and can never go into debt, or I don't buy anything at all, which means.....I would be forced to live with my means. What a novel idea.

I'm already "sold", but this article still made me think!

"For the deflationist to make a logical case, he must explain why a bank accepts a deposit if it has no income to pay the interest on the deposit."

This is so often forgotten. The very thing that *makes* banks money, also *costs* them money. Banks can only exist with a *margin*.

"I believe the true significance of the Gold Commission is that the politicians and central bankers were so alarmed at such a thing that they made sure it was packed by an array of Keynesians and monetarists." (Ron Paul 1985)

Who says that banks are logical?

Why would a bank accept deposits if it has no money to pay interest?

Well, let's see...Why did GM continue making cars even though it lost $2,000 per car it made? Possible logical answers are:

1) Force of habit. They're stuck in an old business model, and don't know how to do anything else. They haven't realized that times have changed, and they keep doing the same thing.

2) They know (both GM & the banks) that they don't have to make money. This is a new economy, haven't you heard? If you go broke and are "too big to fail" the government will bail you out. Why should companies be worried about making a profit in that environment?

Everyone knows the inflation argument. Most people dismiss the deflation argument at their own risk, even though they don't understand it.

It only takes 20 minutes to learn the basics about deflation

It boils that to the fact

It boils that to the fact that thus far we have not seen a deflationary event, only the results, which are natural, of a massive bubble exhaustion. We have seen no broad deflationary pressures, only narrow ones in certain sectors. Narrow deflation cannot technically be considered as a deflationary event since there are numerous factors that can bring about narrow deflation within an economy.

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Statistics

I think it is curious that North uses statistics from the St. Louis Fed to show that there was no deflation in Japan, especially considering that we all know that the Fed is one of the most deceitful institutions in the world.

http://www.garynorth.com/public/5120.cfm

Since we know this to be true, why would we rely on their statistics to "prove" that there was no deflationary event in Japan?

I happened to be living in Japan when the deflationary decade started, and wrote about it here:

A Cautionary Housing Tale from Japan

The fact of the matter is, whatever the Fed's statistics said or say, many people suffered in Japan as a result of the effects of deflation (a contraction of credit), and many are currently suffering in this country as well.

The primary painful effects of deflation currently are

- falling financial asset prices
- falling housing prices
- falling wages
- inability for consumers to access credit

Are these just 'narrow sectors'? It seems like most of the economy is affected to me. Consumer spending makes up 70% of the economy, and their access to credit is drying up through falling wages, lost jobs and credit being cut off.

While we may not be seeing the generalized effects of deflation yet, I certainly wouldn't dismiss it. The widely discussed cascading cross default scenario of credit -- which remains a risk -- argues for deflation, not inflation.

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Was Japan in deflation for a

Was Japan in deflation for a decade? That seems to be the popular opinion however if you look at the various changes in Japan’s GDR, MS, CPI as well as the PPI between 1991 and 2001 then you see a very different story, in fact you see something that cannot qualify as an actual deflationary episode.

The GDR was positive in Japan for 7 out of 10 years during this so-called deflationary period or “lost decade”. Japan’s M1 was in double digits for 4 out of 10 of those years reaching a peak at 13.7% in 2001. Japan’s CPI was at a positive inflation rate for 7 out of those 10 years and the PPI was in the positive for 2 out of those 10 years. Now, if it were truly a deflationary event as you and others propose then where on earth was the deflation?

Even the during the few deflationary years there was minor deflation. The reality of the Japanese “lost decade” is that only 4 out of the 10 years could even be remotely considered deflationary. In other words, prices rose 6 out of the 10 years, thus Japan was not in deflation for 10 years, quite the contrary. The vast majority of the deflation was in the fact that there was a surplus of aggregate supply since industrial production rose in 5 of the 10 years during Japan’s so-called “lost decade”. Thus, the deflationary years of 94, 95, 96 and 2000 was caused by rising supply, thus it could be considered growth deflation, but not monetary deflation. It is also evident that in 93, 98 and 2001 that the deflation was also caused by a fall in aggregate demand, which could indicate bank-credit deflation instead of growth deflation, caused simply by an increase in the aggregate supply. It is almost certain that 1999 was a combination of both increased aggregate supply and a fall in demand, but none of the minor deflation that Japan experienced was caused by monetary deflation in any technical sense. Profits only fell 3 out of the 10 years; this of course is a negating factor when considering deflation, at least real monetary deflation since profits tend to drop drastically when such deflation is effective on the economy.

As Mises stated, all government intervention into the market will always carry unintended consequences, creating problems that require more intervention, which always, without exception, create even more problems.

There is one very important fact to consider about actual deflation, if there is a deflationary event-taking place then it usually spreads through the economic system rather rapidly. You see price declines begin to spread across the board in every sector at a similar pace of decline, we obviously have not seen that; in fact we have seen just the opposite, we have seen minor deflation in some sectors mixed with far more inflationary pressures. The “deflation” in the real estate market is not actual deflation caused by any monetary policy, but it is a result of years of easy credit policies promoted by the FED and government. It was a bubble that had to bust and bust it did, but it was not caused by deflation, deflation in prices are the result of the bust, not the other way around. Thus, we have had very narrow deflation and not a broader deflation, which marks actual economic deflation. So, when people say that “like it or not, we are in deflation” it becomes necessary to qualify such a statement with actual facts, not simply ambiguous statements.
It should also be remembered that credit deflation is not necessarily indicative of an actual widespread technical deflationary event; this is especially true when the monetary base has been increased so drastically. Additionally, it should be remembered that there is still a substantial amount of lending taking place, money being created through the fractional reserve system even though consumer and mortgage credit have slowed. Again, if we were actually in a deflationary event then the deflation would spread or be spreading across the economic spectrum that is not the case.

As far as credit is concerned, we still have, by far; the largest borrower in history borrowing like there is no tomorrow, that borrower is the U.S. government. The FED has doubled, if not more, its balance sheet and is sopping up debt, monetizing it and creating the next huge bubble economy in the process. Looking at the FED’s balance sheet, as far as we are allowed to look, it appears that over 54% is in U.S. Treasuries and Government Sponsored Enterprises, such as Fannie/Freddie. 14% is in asset currency we call gold. 37% is currently being held in short-term transactions such as would be known as discount window transactions. The remainder appears to be in toxic assets although that is a closely guarded secret.

Recently, U.S. Treasuries have appeared to be the only game in town as a place to park funds, that might be, in part, due to fear and in part do to the assumption that we are in the same situation as Japan was during the 90s, but that is not the case. The two scenarios are completely and fundamentally different. The problem arises with our government and the actions it is taking which, by the way, will completely decimate our economy, not through deflation, but through highly inflationary policies combined with a confiscatory mentality that will eventually push all enterprise in this country into default. All the while, the government and FED will inflate the debt away. That is now the apparent policy of this government and it has to be since the government will receive approximately $2,500 Billion while spending more than $3,500 Billion this year alone. The government has also obligated itself to even greater levels of debt and will eventually have no other choice but to repudiate that debt by inflating, thus debasing, the currency to levels that will make the debt technically meaningless. Never in history has a government been so ultra-leveraged as our government is not, nor has any government in history ever followed such a determined path of economic destruction as our government is now doing.

For those who point out credit contraction or destruction it must be remembered and considered that the FED has created more credit than at anytime in history in one of the shortest time frames ever witnessed. Within the period of one quarter, the Reserve Bank Credit has been inflated to an astounding 2,922% per annum. Now, while there are those who are absolutely positive that we are either in a deflationary event or heading toward one, the facts are showing something completely different and something that none of the “deflationary prophets” are willing to expound upon…at least none that I have read touch the issue with a ten-foot pole.

Again, the assumption is that we are in a deflationary event because the supply of money, while drastically increased, is being reduced because it is not being placed in the loan market. As it appears, such a scenario would be correct since the risk aversion of the banks have caused banks to increased the reserves they have held against their liabilities, thus contracting credit circulation. There are however, several factors that appear to be contradictory within the apparent contraction of credit, it is not as it appears since the government is rapidly making up for the general contraction in credit by a multitude of methods, the least of which is the quantitative easing that is occurring. The fact is that in this market there is no decrease in demand, only a decrease in the available supply of easy credit. Credit is still available to “credit-worthy” borrowers and has been making its way into the general economy.

One of the main factors that support the position that we are heading for inflation is the fact that deflation is far too dangers to the government for the government to allow it to happen at a substantial and widespread rate. In fact, a truly deflationary event will not only “deplete” the Treasury’s vaults, place a far greater pressure on government debt obligations, thus inflation is a far better bet than deflation when the mechanisms for such inflation rest in the hands of the likes of Bernanke, Geithner and Obama. This government intends to survive intact without the curtain being pulled back, exposing the “Great and Powerful Wizard of Oz”. Deflation, like high inflation, pulls back the curtain and exposes the façade from which the government operates, but the government has sought to create a steady rate of inflation globally since the late 60s, the problem is that it can no longer maintain that steady rate since the massive distortions previous policies created have finally come home to roost. The government, along with their lap dog the FED, will do all it can to avoid actual deflation, even to the point of making the people of this country suffer under the weight of oppressive inflation.

The truth is that both credit contraction, along with deflation itself, has been the major problem that inflation and hyperinflation have. The fact is that there is a major misconception between deflation and contraction opposed to what we are seeing now which is nothing more than an economic readjustment to the boom cycle caused by the FED. We are witnessing the effects of the bust, not a deflationary event although there are naturally going to be symptoms of deflation in any bust cycle, but that does not mean that we are either in a deflationary event or heading toward one. In fact, if all depends on the type of structure within the credit system itself and how the boom was created as to whether or not a credit crisis actually contracts the amount of fiduciary media in circulation. Now, if there were a massive bank failure and the banks which remained “solvent” under the fractional reserve system did not “take up the slack” then their might well be an actual event of monetary deflation which would correspond in the economy as a general, overall deflation in prices, assets, production and profit, as well as wages, of course. None of that has happened. This current economic dislocation is not indicative of an actual deflationary event and the lack of credit is not being caused by an actual contraction of credit but by the voluntary abstention of credit expansion by the banks due to a present level of risk aversion toward such credit expansion.

The problem, of course, is that when the a recovery from the bust cycle begins to occur there will be a change in the money relation within the general economy and will, by effect, increase the quantity of available fiduciary media and this will express itself in the pricing structure of both goods and services.

Additionally, there are few that either understand or explain the manner in which credit can be expanded. There are monetary situations where there are methods of credit expansion that are completely different than what we commonly know as genuine credit expansion. For instance, while the normal process of credit expansion is in the private sector through the process of fractional reserve banking, there is a type of credit expansion, far more insidious, that occurs when our government expands credit directly, thus increasing the money supply within the general circulation, this is done through what amounts to legislative expansion that by-passes what we think of as normal credit expansion. The Treasury essentially borrows from the bank. If you recall in 2008, there was a time when the Treasury was borrowing from the FED and then the FED was borrowing from the Treasury; to the outside observer it is a contradiction, but it is actually a type of direct monetary creation where the bank becomes the creditor of the Treasury and vice-versa. That whole scenario was nothing more than monetary inflation. The process is used, by the government, to place credit demands on businesses to expand their ventures even when economic signals point in another direction.

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The loss-making car companies...

...didn't expect to make a loss. They made over-optimistic projections on future sales. They got burned.

Where the bailouts are concerned, no-one sets out to make a loss. They simply take greater risks in the knowledge that taxpayers will pick up the tab if it all goes wrong.

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Right

And the banks don't expect to make losses either. As I said, it is probably more force of habit than anything.

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Thanks, Republicae

Great article. I always liked Gary North. He spoke at a church I used to go to in Virginia once, and even ate with him! He was good as a preacher too. The curriculum that I use uses some of his books. He really knows a lot about money. Very interesting stuff.

Gary does have a great

Gary does have a great understanding of economic and monetary matters.

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Let's not get starstruck

and turn off our brains.

Gary North also thought that Y2K was going to be the end of the world.

We've got a problem. It may be the biggest problem that the modern world has ever faced. I think it is. At 12 midnight on January 1, 2000 (a Saturday morning), most of the world's mainframe computers will either shut down or begin spewing out bad data. Most of the world's desktop computers will also start spewing out bad data. Tens of millions -- possibly hundreds of millions -- of pre-programmed computer chips will begin to shut down the systems they automatically control. This will create a nightmare for every area of life, in every region of the industrialized world.

It's called the year 2000 problem. It's also called the millennium bug, y2k, and (misspelled), the millenium time bomb. Millennium or millenium: it doesn't matter how we spell it; this bomb isn't going away.

Think of what happens if the following areas go down and stay down for months or even years: banks, railroads, public utilities, telephone lines, military communications, and financial markets. What about Social Security and Medicare? If Social Security and Medicare go down, it will affect millions of people. Yet both programs are at risk.

http://www.dishangel.com/y2k/

Yep, but that really didn't

Yep, but that really didn't have much to do with economics or monetary policy, that was more of a "tulip mania" that struck some people. Fortunately I was not one of them, unfortunately Gary North was.

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My point is that it is all

My point is that it is all unknown. People thought they knew what would happen with Y2K and made definitive statements about it. Some were right, some were wrong. North was wrong.

Now he's making definitive statements about inflation. I see this also as a sort of "tulip mania" in that it is the result of herding behavior. Lots of people are on board the inflation bandwagon with only the most superficial understanding of the arguments.

As I've said above, most people dismiss the deflation argument outright, and they don't even understand it.

Here is the deflation argument for anyone who is interested. I would be happy to discuss it.

lol

The y2k horror also meant Monday and Tuesday would then become Mondak, Tuesdak and so on.

Wow

Thanks for the clarity.

IMissLiberty

IMissLiberty

It is a very good

It is a very good article.

http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com

“There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.”-Adams

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"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes

All of us from time to time...

can be lead down "primrose paths". There was the alar in the apples scare then the cranberry scare and the ice age of the 80's. None of these discussions had a stitch of credibility. Y2K was yet another and a good many people became over anxious with what could be with going into the new millenium. Global warming is yet another. I think Gary has a good working knowledge of monetary policy and a good bit of what he says should be taken seriously.