Mark Sanford = Traditional Marriage Hypocrite? update w\ mistress pics
Well Mark Sanford is definitely one of my favorite republicans, but I still think he deserves criticism where it’s due. Why was he opposing gay marriage when he can’t even run a so called traditional marriage? He also criticized Clinton.
Mark Sanford= traditional Marriage Hypocrite link.
ps- Yes we should get rid marriage altogether, but as a first step to that we need to legalize gay marriage and polygamy first to undermine the institution. Hopefully then we it will just be a means to discriminate against single people and so we get rid of it all. But right now I feel like gays are the most targeted group so legalizing that would be a really good step.
ps2- Remember the Bill O'Reilly sex tapes? Bill O’Reilly mash-up.
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Update: rumored pic of his mistress from the freerepublic. If that's her she's a babe! I don't think this one is her. She's too good looking and she looks to young to be 40 but maybe?
They looks somewhat different, but she's a part time model so dying her hair would be normal so it's possible they're the same person. Hard to say. Pics came from freerepublic.com and the News Bizarre, but I can't find them. I got them from bejohngalt website.
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Here are some Mark Sanford attacks on gays and also on Bill Clinton's marriage.
“The bottom line is that he lied under a different oath -the oath to his wife.” — Republican Congressman Marshall Clement “Mark” Sanford on politics and the sanctity of marriage, 1998
Question: “Should South Carolina restrict marriage to a union only between a man and a woman?” Answer: “Yes” — Republican Gubernatorial Candidate Mark Sanford, 2002 Vote Smart Political Courage Test
Question: “Should South Carolina recognize civil unions between same-sex couples?” Answer: “No” — Republican Gubernatorial Candidate Mark Sanford, 2002 Vote Smart Political Courage Test
Question: “Indicate which principles you support (if any) regarding education… Support age-appropriate sexual education programs that teach about abstinence, contraceptives and HIV/STD prevention methods?” Answer: “No” — Republican Gubernatorial Candidate Mark Sanford, 2002 Vote Smart Political Courage Test
“Yes” — 1996 Vote on H.R. 3396, the “Defense of Marriage Act”, “to define and protect the institution of marriage” and to mandate that “the word ‘marriage’ means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife.”
“Yes” — 1999 Vote on H.R. 2587, a bill banning adoptions by same-sex couples.
“As Jenny and I are the parents of four little boys, we’ve always taught our kids that marriage was something between a man and a woman. As governor, I am supportive of legislation that furthers that definition here in South Carolina.” — Republican Governor Mark Sanford to the Post and Courier, February 2004
“He’s always felt marriage is between a man and a woman.” — Spokesman for Republican Governor Mark Sanford, April 2005
Question: “Do you think the Republican party should become more libertarian on the issue of gay marriage?” Answer: “No, I don’t.” — Republican Governor Mark Sanford, June 12 2009
“I could digress and say that you have the ability to give magnificent gentle kisses, or that I love your tan lines or that I love the curve of your hips, the erotic beauty of you holding yourself (or two magnificent parts of yourself) in the faded glow of the night’s light - but hey, that would be going into sexual details…” — Republican Governor Mark Sanford, July 2008, in an e-mail to his mistress
Why do the morality police come out when a guy plays
around but when someone commits genocide they say nothing ?
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objection
I'm not objecting to Sanford's morality.
I'm objecting to Sanford's role as the "morality police" before he got in trouble. Sanford build a career on "family values", calling for resignations, and opposing gay civil rights.
It's only right to call hypocrites out.
So this thread was about exposing the morality police not being one.
What if Sanford was being blackmailed.
So he brought the affair into the open so the ones behind the scenes couldn't use it against him anymore. It doesn't make everything right but you know they try to use things like this so that elected officials will fall in line. Remember he was against federal funding from Washington.
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The New York Times
has called on Sanford to resign. The arrogance of people in NYC calling on a South Carolina politician to resign is a sign of the times. A lot of people need to learn about MYOB, those who have no stake in who's governor of that state.
If Sanford were smart he would attack the New York Times and other outsiders.
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http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=75472
I see your message was deleted questioning my honesty. I heard it on TV, but a search (Sanford resign "New York Times") gave it in seconds.
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You can't edit messages after someone replies to you. Try it out.
Guess you should have replied faster.
ps- I still haven't found the story on the NYTimes site though. All I found was other sites talking about not that it isn't there somewhere.
But I can's seem to find the actual story just people referencing it.
Sanford must Go -- Ron Paul backed Clinton Impeachment
It's only fair -- come on now.
Sanford gets paid "welfarist style" -- he used civilian granted money (for fraudulent reasons) -- nothing to do with marriage or fiscal conservatism; what else is he there for?
Let him God.
Stop seeking "leaders" to buy back your self-abdicated loss of liberty.
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Oath
Well you can make the argument that he was for the Clinton impeachment because he lied under oath (a felony, although I think he had a right to in that case but anyways..), but Sanford also demanded many other politicians resign for adultery such as Livingston.
You are making my argument even stronger :-)
I do feel for him personally -- If he was an entrepreneur or private civilian or a CEO I would be lambasting the media for putting his private biz out there.
But, if you are a welfarist your name and rep need to be open-source.
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DOMA
Can you support overturning the Gingrich DOMA laws.
They were straight out Jerry Fallwell's religious right agenda.
get over yourself, dude
If you were a perfect being I would give you the time of day. All I have seen coming from YOU is useless rant. we have a huge bill to fight in the Senate. Why don't you put your energy there????
(Please leave this issue alone)
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Sanford
Well Sanford build his career on family values and defending traditional marriage meanwhile he was tagging an Argentinian on the side.
So this issue merits discussion since this is typical hypocrisy by these showboat politicians (Sanford.)
ps- I'm not a one issue voter. I voted for Chuck Baldwin, but I won't hesitate to state where I disagree. Had the election been closer I may have considered more candidates. Basically a protest vote. I hated Bob Barr though.
SPITZERIZED!
If you remember, Eliot Spitzer was saying some dirty things about the FED and Wall Street before he got Spitzerized with his own affair.
This isn't about marriage infidelity. Stop focusing on the Jerry Springer aspect of who these women were.
The story is much larger than that.
Elliot was investigating Silverstien. Nuff said.
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Personally I really don't
Personally I really don't care if he had an affair or not. It is not my business or anyone elses what a man or women does so long as they aren't harming someone or someones property. This issue is between him and his family and no one else. My real concern is how the man is representing the people of America.
I also didn't care when Clinton had an affair, again none of my business.
The problem is people love gossip and scandal, they get off on it. What is really sad is how so many people here and on other forums actually got great joy out of someones life being ripped to shreds.
People need to grow up, mind their own business and work at fixing the real problems we face in this country which does not include whether someone can keep their thing in their pants or not.
On Clinton...
I don't care what he did on his own time either, but..
He was not having sex with that woman in the Oval Office, at work, on our dime. It was an insult to the office and to the people of this country.
What would happen if your boss caught you at work in your office?
"legalize gay marriage and
"legalize gay marriage and polygamy first to undermine the institution"??? What??? By giving more power to the Fed to undermine the Fed?
that is possibly
the worst argument against gay marriage i've heard in a while.
No
Look if one group of people are eligible for a tax break, just expand it to everyone to make it fair.
Traditional man-woman couples receive special benefits and privileges, which we need to expand to gay couples and polygamists and also to single people.
Also we need to overturn 1996 DOMA laws that were meant to prevent gay marriage. Do you support that?
I get a charge out of the part of the story
that says that his wife asked him to leave a couple of weeks ago.
SHE kicked HIM out of the house?
It's the GOVERNOR's mansion - not hers!
p.s. - Invalid10, you seem to have a big hangup about the sexual part of this story.
News flash - that part of it is none of your business, or my business, or anyone else's business!
Undermine marriage?
Oh, that would do children a world of good, not to mention society. Ron Paul would not be in favor of undermining marriage in a thousand years, either.
As has been said elsewhere, "Hypocrisy plays an important role in every decent society. Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice plays to virtue. When virtue is publicly honored, there will be those who don't live up to that standard, but nevertheless want to be known as men who live up to it....
"As long as we live in a fallen world, and we honor what we ought to honor--marital fidelity, say--we will have this problem. It is a good thing that there are still political parties and regions of the country where you can wreck your public life by what you do in private. It was no virtue for Gov. Sanford to head off to Argentina, but it was a cultural virtue that made going there necessary."
No
I saw a video after the election where he embraced the right to have States decide. He also said he would allow prostitution and doing away with all drug a laws if that states wanted that.
But I think as Libertarians we need to support same-sex marriage, polygamy, and support expansion of with marriage tax law exemptions and housing deductions etc to singles.
Do our best to stop religious interests from shaping society,
Libertarians never support tyranny
Marriage licenses are the means by which the state prohibits specific types of unions. They were once used to prohibit interracial marriages, and are now being used to prohibit gay marriages. If you assume that government has the authority to license marriages of any kind you are not libertarian.
They are also the means....
by which the state assumes vested interest in any profit or any children resulting from that union.
The Social Security system is just one way they try to control that 'vested interest'.
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You're nuts!
Gov't needs to get out of the control business, not further into it.
People can like or oppose any social issues they want..
There is NO "libertarian imperative" to support or promote any social change by government, and in fact the very thought is repugnant to any "libertarian".
"Religious interests" can shape any damn thing they are capable of shaping. Who are you to tell them they can't?
If Congress isn't making a law about it, people and groups can espouse the positions that they wish to hold and espouse..
Agree
I agree, but a lot of States won't allow gays to marry, and we also need to overturn the defense of marriage act (DOMA) that specifically targets gays.
Having politicians who support the rights of people to engage in their own economic contracts (marriage) and oppose DOMA would be very symbolic.
We don't want politicians railing Argentinians and then coming home and attacking gays.
Who's "we"?
You got a mouse in your pocket?
The only support I can provide is for gov't to get out of marriage control.
There's a huge difference between being against gov't oppression, and "supporting" some kind of deviant lifestyle on a social level.
I can get on board that the Fed Gov has no role in that.
I cannot get on board with social acceptance, so count me out of the "support" role.
Can you get on board to overturn 96' DOMA laws?
Can you support overturning the Gingrich DOMA laws.
They were straight out Jerry Fallwell's religious right agenda.
Why did we need DOMA laws anyway.
No
All the repeal of the DOMA law will do is open the door for more gov't money spent on yet another special interest group.
I don't consider that a step in the right direction.