Up with Ludwig von Mises! Down with Post-Autistic Economics!
Ludwig von Mises (1949) writes:
Praxeology is a theoretical and systematic, not a historical, science. Its scope is human action as such, irrespective of all environmental, accidental, and individual circumstances of the concrete acts. Its cognition is purely formal and general without reference to the material content and the particular features of the actual case. It aims at knowledge valid for all instances in which the conditions exactly correspond to those implied in its assumptions and inferences. Its statements and propositions are not derived from experience. They are, like those of logic and mathematics, a priori. They are not subject to verification or falsification on the ground of experience and facts. They are both logically and temporally antecedent to any comprehension of historical facts. They are a necessary requirement of any intellectual grasp of historical events. Without them we should not be able to see in the course of events anything else than kaleidoscopic change and chaotic muddle.
Ludwig von Mises (1969) writes:
Economics in the second German Reich, as represented by the government-appointed university professors, degenerated into an unsystematic, poorly assorted collection of various scraps of knowledge borrowed from history, geography, technology, jurisprudence, and party politics, larded with deprecatory remarks about the errors in the "abstractions" of the Classical School.
After 1866, the men who came into the academic career had only contempt for "bloodless abstractions." They published historical studies, preferably such as dealt with labor conditions of the recent past. Many of them were firmly convinced that the foremost task of economists was to aid the "people" in the war of liberation they were waging against the "exploiters."
This was the position Gustav Schmoller embraced with regard to economics. Again and again he blamed the economists for having prematurely made inferences from quantitatively insufficient material. What, in his opinion, was needed in order to substitute a realistic science of economics for the hasty generalizations of the British "armchair" economists was more statistics, more history, and more collection of "material." Out of the results of such research the economists of the future, he maintained, would one day develop new insights by "induction."
A few questions for you Shaka
Do you think the central banks manipulation of interest rates is the primary cause of bubbles in modern day economies?
Apparently other things like incentives put forth by the government (insinuated backstopping in case of failure etc) can add to the size of the bubbles but do you feel these incentives or the manipulation of interest rates can bring about bubbles in and of themselves or must they both occur together for the bubbles to form?
This is a good question but it is off-topic here.
So I started a new thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/98066
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Your comment on the pedophile cults and Mises was pretty hollow.
I'm not saying that back in those days there weren't a lot of those going on, there were, both inside the catholic church and outside of it.
But the masons, the freemasons have not been at any point a power hungry cult of mad men who funded the mises institute.
Some of these traitor freemasons who are real and have real names, such as Will Freshfield, are insane deists who dress up in the freemason garb but that does not mean they are the masons.
A lot of masons whom are extremely corrupt and well known in society, belonged to clubs like the Rosicuricans which too were infiltrated.
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It was a mess of underground operations but it's only a small group of freemasons, not masons, who were part of these shenanigans.
And I should make it clear that the Mises institute nor most free austrian economists, ever had anything to do with this, as masonry used to be just a simple society club rather than a witch's coven like Freshfield and Weishaupt turned it into.
Ron Paul and most others within that time period, belonged to the mason's club and did not belong to criminal Freemasonry which is who got into countless trouble for the pedophile underworld.
LOL! what?!
LOL! what?!
I don't defend it....but most masons aren't pedophiles. n/t
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That is very difficult to know for sure
And I'm not speaking specifically about Masons.
But, what I am saying is this. How can you tell for sure who is a pedophile? Do pedophiles have a certain look? A secret handshake? A T-shirt that says NAMBLA? Because the last time I checked, it's hard telling.
That's why we're always so shocked whenever we hear about it happening. People say things like, "I would have never believed that Chief of Police so-and-so is a pedophile." Or, "But that guy is a senator, or a judge. I would have never dreamed that could be going on."
My point is this. You could have a best friend or a relative, and think you know them very well. But you don't really know what they are doing, when they are thinking nobody is watching.
As an added note, just coincidentally today, I heard a horrible truth come out about an old friend, and the sexual abuse she endured for years as a child, at the hands of her own grandfather! So, I'm pretty angry, fired up, deeply disturbed and disgusted at the moment. And if the perpetrator hadn't already died, he might be missing an important body part by now.
Good Old Bessy! :)
My point is this:
Freemasonry has been targeted in the past as a homo-sexual pedophile cult, and she said the Mises Institute was a pedophile cult.
I was only illustrating the misconceptions about what many would assume are "PEDOPHILES" or "CULTS" with those tendencies.
The Mises Institute, and similar groups were involved in the mason clubs which is perfectly correct and true to say.
They were not involved with Shiner Freemasonry, or NAMBLA and the dubious activities of Kabbalaists as those are all in the true definition "Splinter Cell" groups of the masons.
They do not represent either the founders or masons in general, nor large clubs like the Friedman Society and Cato.
I've learned ENOUGH about the organization's activities, to understand that this is false to assume they were involved in any of this.
Shiner Freemasons were pedophiles, plenty of them with the blame to go around but NONE of those had a thing to do with Mises.
You can't blame a few outside rotten eggs for spoiling the basket, my point was.
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I had totally gotten your point. :) But I went off on a wild tangent because of the devastating info I had received from my friend today, and I was making a point myself.
Nobody can possibly know what truly goes on in another person's mind. Was not trying to argue, but pedophilia makes my blood boil. I'm just upset over what my friend endured for years, while people in her family turned a blind eye. None of them are Masons of any kind. Just inbred perverts.
On the same page then. Just trying to finish off stereotypes....
Most people ASSUME something about a group they've never dealt with before, or met before and while they're not perfect....most of them are definitely NOT pedophiles who belong to this network.
They are scholars, austrian bankers and economic theorists going back many generations. Thomas Jefferson was one. All of them have in some sense belonged to little clubs, with high society or purpose.
But the pedophiles and rotten eggs are the ex-masons, shriner freemasons and inbred psychopaths. They have done NOTHING but give a bad name to religion everywhere, hence why people shun them so highly. Society can find a few pedophiles in every place.
None of these clubs are perfect but they certainly aren't a bunch of ski jumping pedophile crooks like the Rotary Club is, and they definitely don't have any interest in the Federal Reserve Temple.
There is an Inner Court and an Outer Court to the Federal Reserve system of maritime law. The Inner Court has been hijacked by Kabaalists in Great Britain, the Outer Court is unscathed usually home to many scholars.
coming totally out of left
coming totally out of left field here chief. Have NO idea how you got into mason's or what that has to do with Shaka's previous remarks where he stated the Mises Institute was basically a homosexual pedophilic cult.
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Shaka, the greatest thing
Shaka, the greatest thing you ever wrote was "who ever heard of an axiomatic theory of economics with ONE axiom?" LOL. Rothbard's wobbly expansion of that analysis in MES was unconvincing. Thats why I agree with the way that Austrians theorize because it tends to be accurate, but am more open to empiricism.
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Mises hit the straw on point....
But the Austrians in Austrian Economics really brought that point home.
I don't believe Mises is the only authority on Federal economy, I just believe he's the first one to really open up the overall room to other viewpoints.
Austrian economics is definitely a preferred model, the question becomes what model will really ultimately work.....once everyone gets what they want and there is no centralized monopoly bank left.....
I'm not sure that's the greatest thing I ever said,
but it is true. Anybody who has studied geometry knows that one needs a set of axioms, not just one. Section XIV:
Have you read Socrates and Hume at Billiards?
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No, and I dont plan to. Isnt
No, and I dont plan to. Isnt it pretty funny though how Austrian economics has evolved to be anti-math because of a petty feud between Ludwig and his Mathematician brother Richard?
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Up with Mises?
What happened to the mathematically perfected economy you kept hammering on about?
When one has hammered a nail flush with the board,
there is no need to continue hammering on it. LOL
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So why Up with Mises?
I think what offended many people here was that you stated the Mises Institute was comprised of pedophilic cult members and that Ron Paul was perhaps too old to enjoy the little boys with the wine. Why'd you say that?
Shaka: I'm having a lively debate with a Misesean Schollar
Where I made the following argument.
The contradiction between Mises and Rothbard is so great how can one Institute house to starkly opposing theories?
I'll mention just one difference and it's huge.
Mises - Consumer Sovereignty
Rothbard - Individual Sovereignty
Worker Individualism vs Owner Individualism vs Bum Individualism vs Investor Individualism vs Consumer Individualism (Rothbard says yes)
Consumer is the only Individual because all of the above are consumers and serve consumer interests -- Therefore; Individualism is the Consumer (Misesean Wisdom).
Do you see it?
Ron Paul is a Misesean Scholar -- you never hear him quote Rothbard either.
Rothbardians like Paul because his Minarchism (minimal-authority) is far better than the present Corporatist Maxarchism (maximal authority.
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I divided the Austrians into the Hayekians and the Misesians
in my Critique of Austrian Economics. In the appendix, I write:
Rothbard was indeed prolific and had a foot in both camps, though his original contributions (in economics) were along Hayekian lines. He contributed little to Mises' economic theory, but did expand it into what is really jurisprudence, not economics.
Rothbard wrote on jurisprudence, while Mises was more strictly concerned with economics. Thus, I don't see this as such a huge difference but more a matter of expanding Mises' consumer sovereignty into a more general concept of individual sovereignty.
That's probably just because he's read more Mises than Rothbard. Also, as a politician, he is addressing the general public and probably recognizes that Mises' name is more widely known than Rothbard's and he doesn't want to invoke the name of somebody that his audience hasn't heard of.
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The Post-Autistic economists have taken over the Ron Paul Forum.
I posted exactly the same Mises quotation at the Ron Paul Forum and it was moved to the Vent. Apparently the moderators thought that Mises was venting in 1949 when he wrote Human Action.
I then posted the following poll question and it was closed on the grounds that I was insulting an established member.
Who has the authority to define Austrian economics?
T. Mosley or Ludwig von Mises?
T. Mosley writes:
In sharp contrast, Ludwig von Mises (1949) writes:
Moderator Liberty Eagle closed the thread, stating:
Yet she was not bothered when T. Mosley wrote in response to a verbatim quotation of Mises:
Even other members were surprised that T. Mosley and his fellow Post-Autistic economists were allowed to freely use words like "bullshit," "moron," "fuck off," etc..
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sorry shaka
I think what offended many people here was that you stated the Mises Institute was comprised of pedophilic cult members and that Ron Paul was perhaps too old to enjoy the little boys with the wine. I don't really care how much you think you know about economics. When you fling around highly inflammatory accusations like that you shouldn't be surprised when you find your threads getting deleted and/or locked.
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