Failure to Vaccinate Resulted in a Massive Outbreak of Diphtheria
There is no doubt that vaccinations will cause adverse reactions at a very low rate, several ten per million. A handful per million will die as a result of vaccination adverse reaction. Knowledge of the health of the individual at the time of vaccination does reduce the risk. Everyone is sorry that anyone dies or even gets sick because of vaccinations. The risk of disease from not vaccinating is higher than the risk of adverse reactions. There is a fragment out there who is obviously very vocal who is obstinately unteachable. Beware of them and their venomous spew.
ALL of the talk about mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde risks in vaccines is absolutely Nonsense and it should not be repeated. Adverse reactions are caused by the immune system of the individual not from toxic additives.
In the post collapse Soviet Union, they quit vaccinating for diphtheria, which is a horrid disease of children in which death occurs because of suffocation. The disease went away after vaccination was resumed.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol4no4/vitek.htm
The cause of the outbreak in which there were more than 150,000 cases of diphtheria and more than 4500 deaths in 1991-1995?
"The general public lost confidence in immunization due to
opinions of health care workers and to increasing and aggressive
antivaccination propaganda in the mass media."
- The Journal of Infectious Diseases 2000;181(Suppl 1):S244–8
Who wants to hear more from the anti-vaccination propagandists? Stay tuned... They and their Harpies are due in here at any moment now....
LMAO@Regnad Kcin...
....lrn2credibility. Your method has lost any you may have had. Dont spend your check all in one place ;)
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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
John F. Kennedy
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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make
violent revolution inevitable."
John F. Kennedy
Very arrogant of you to say:
Very arrogant of you to say: There is a fragment out there who is obviously very vocal who is obstinately unteachable.
Hey enough is enough
Why don't you just tuck your tail between your legs and run along home? How many pro-vaccine threads are you going to start under your 2 poster names?
You're in bed with big pharma, you're a former (or current) vivisectionist, your agenda stinks, so nobody here is buying what you're selling. Give up already.
blakmira - your accusations are unfounded
I only have one name on here.
I have never worked for a pharmaceutical company
Some people do accept the truth that "vaccines are a blessing" as Dr. Paul has said.
I have tried to provide some research papers for you to read to help you understand that the Antivaccinationist Propaganda is wrong and actually dangerous to the society. It is also harmful to the freedom movement.
"vaccines are a blessing"
is a personal truth, not an absolute one, like "2 + 2 = 4." "Vaccines are a blessing" is an opinion, not a fact, and it's an opinion with which I don't agree.
no. Ruth, look at the data....
Ruth, there was an outbreak of dipththeria in the soviet union BECAUSE people quit vaccinating. The facts are clear. There is no wiggle room on this. Why do you continue to kick against the truth? Why?
Because
there's lots of wiggle room on this. I responded to your diphtheria links multiple times, yet you continue to ignore the fact there were factors other than a lack of vaccination that contributed to the outbreak, like impoverished condtions leading to lack of nutrition and sanitation, overcrowding and migration. One of your sources mentions the Soviet health care system had collapsed, which would strongly suggest people were not able to get treatment, such as antibiotics, when they contracted diphtheria. Your own sources say this! Why do you continue to kick against the truth? Why?
You never responded to this, either, it's a list of quotes from peer reviewed journals suggesting disease in vaccinated individuals is more common than generally thought: http://www.wvve.info/issues/outbreaks.html
But every link, every source, every fact that supports a view other than yours, you just ignore and act like it doesn't exist, unless it bothers you enough to deny it and resort to insults and name calling.
I'm beginning to think you're being so stubborn because your own faith in your vaccine religion has been shaken a bit.
Oh really?
This thread is of a piece with the anti 9/11 Truth, anti AJ, etc. threads. I never would have believed I would see this pro-vaccine propaganda on the Daily Paul.
"Anti-vaccination propagandists" is an epithet. The point seems again to be to marginalize anti-vaccine views. "ALL of the talk about mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde risks in vaccines is absolutely Nonsense and it should not be repeated. " Oh really? Are you the gatekeeper now? And if I accept your pro-vaccine propaganda, what will be the consequences? Why now when the Usurper (Obama) is considering vaccinating everyone?
No. I will continue to think what I will. You will not define rationality for me. The DP is awash now with MD's, scientists, and professional propagandists. What happened to all the RP supporters who are decidedly not mainstream in their views?
How oh how did humanity ever survive before brain-destroying mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde-laden vaccines?
These threads are divisive and 180 degrees away from what I know of RP supporters, yet the posters continue to demonize anyone doesn't affirm the orthodoxies of the medical establishment.
Hey without the DHS guy....
We wouldn't have someone to obliterate for the spin doctor press, so we can basically cancel out and kill their argument when try to institute the mass vaccination program :-)
You know that Reginald and other DHS agents, are only giving us....fair warning. As armed as we all are, diseases are a different story.
I stocked up on perfectly good products a while ago and opted out of vaccinations since I don't get sick......Big deal I guess, since they can't force me to take it? They can't force anyone to....but they can co-erce them & make believe!
You take em then and I won't ....
Guess you'll be "safe" either way, right? Seriously starting to get suspicious of all this pro-vaccine crap right before they are about to make it mandatory.
"This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave."
Vaccinations on our minds due to swine flu.
It's a valid thread. I have not decided whether to be vaccinated for swine flu but I have been prepping for it.
I'm training myself to use bactericidal wipes as soon as I get into my van after stops at banks, stores, Post Office, etc. I wipe hands, face, door, steering wheel, etc and use them in the house as well. It's not that I live in fear of the present threat level, I fear my inability to alter my unconscious behavior quickly if the threat level suddenly worsens so I am conditioning myself now. I've laid in a good supply of face masks and nitrile gloves, even protective goggles, but I'm too vain to wear them till things get rather more lethal.
I'm also prepared for a month's isolation if it seems warranted, even converting my bedroom to a sick room in case I come down with this flu strain. It's good training for having to take care of myself when/if I move to the jungles of eastern Ecuador. I have an apartment fridge near my bed that's crammed with apple and cranberry juice (natural cytokine inhibitors) and am loaded up on OTC meds, vitamins, rubbing alcohol, water, canned foods, etc. that I should be able to access with minimal exertion if I am sick. I'll be able to make green tea (Another natural med) a cup at a time and use a hotplate on my dresser.
I relate these preparations to prove that I don't view the current pandemic as nothing more than a ruse by the global elites to get everyone to voluntarily receive injections of nano-RFID chips, fully virulent flu strains, or chemicals that will either sterilize of make us completely docile. To be honest, I don't know whether the "global elite" do or don't have any nefarious designs involving this flu and the vaccines for it. It could become a real killer pandemic, far beyond the norm of umpteen thousand deaths per flu season and toward that end I may decide the risk of not being vaccinated outweighs the risk of falling for and succumbing to a vile New World Order vaccination plot.
My Blog:
[b]http://horizonscanblog.blogspot.com/[/b]
New Hampshire and Ecuador
the antivaccination propagandists, scientists all ----
insist upon non-CDC sources for the Soviet Union diphtheria outbreak.
(next they will complain that the authors were all brainwashed university people and other educated folk, none of whom can be trusted.)
here are more references:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pub...
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=173655...
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/322639
or go to pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/
and search for what ever you like...
You are.....a liar, sir. A liar.
And we can finally conclude this as you abandoned your discussion because it was propaganda.
on what basis do you call me a liar, sam?
i provided data on the Soviet Diphtheria outbreak.
Where is it that I lied to you?
You're not helping your case
Your first link lists overcrowding and poor hygiene as factors for diphtheria outbreak. Your second link is an editorial that includes this sentence: "Major contributing factors were economic hardship, overcrowding due to large urban migration, and failing health systems as a result of the dissolution of the Soviet Union." Those both suggest you're blowing the lack of vaccination factor out of proportion.
Your third link says almost nothing about diphtheria. It says pertussis cases declined in Sweden after that country lifted its ban on the pertussis vaccine. It says nothing about why Sweden banned the vaccine in the first place, which had to do with concerns about it's safety. It says nothing about whether or not the typical adverse reactions to pertussis vaccine, which include permanent neurological damage, encephalopathy, muscle spasms and convulsions and death (often from SIDS), increased once the vaccine was reintroduced.
Since VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) was established in 1991, 75% of the money awarded by that agency for vaccine damages has been for reactions to the DPT vaccine. When we vaccinate for pertussis, we may reduce the incidence of a serious childhood illness, but we pay the price by increasing the incidence of serious adverse vaccine reactions.
pertussis is another case where antivaccination hysterics
led to a serious health problem. The zero risk situation does not exist.
missing the point
If the government declares martial law on the whole country and then attempts to force vaccinations on everyone you can kiss your second amendment goodbye. Gun Confiscation is part of the whole game, quit whining about gun laws and 1st and 4th amendments, they're all gone when they declare martial law remember Katrina? This is all part of the plan and I suggest everyone wake up and think about what that will do to the freedom movement, done, game over, massive death, no guns, no revolution.
Good grief!!! Over the last
Good grief!!! Over the last couple of days I have seen 4 active threads here on the vaccination subject-it is an important subject, but there are other things as important, if not more important right now to address. Arguing about something like this will get us nowhere, we are each entitled to make our own choices on these issues, and our rights to choose must be preserved. Everyone should become informed and decide for themselves. Live and let live and lets focus on other issues p-l-e-a-s-e folks. Usually when I check DP, I can get updates of what is going on, and important issues, it seems like this site is becoming all about vaccines-each person has his/her own beliefs on the subject and that's how it should be. Lets respect each others choices and let it be. We are supposed to be working on freedom here, not ramming our own ideas down each others' throats.
what happened was that I finally had enough of the
Anti-Vaccination Propaganda and I decided Silence No More.
Take your big pharma literature and go cry in a corner,
you arent fooling anyone.
"This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave."
I think Department of Homeland Security is calling him back...
Calling Reginald back home to the base, time to go back and admit what a failure at life he's been!
News At 11: Vaccines save a city school bus! This must mean they were SAFE and okay for everybody....
But it's always entertaining when they come around, since their evidence is flimsy, and it's easy to disprove. :)
of course i dont work of DHS and dont care for them
stay with the facts.
the reason for persistence is that it is important and
the revolution movement is being characterized by the Antivaccination Propagandists, and those who oppose liberty will take the documentable error of the Antivaccinationists and use it to paint us all with the crazy brush.
The idea is personal freedom.
If you allow your government to do what they will with your body without your consent, then just tune off now.
It is also about free will... you do not have to respond to a topic that you feel is not important to your personal contribution to the movement. If enough people feel that way, the thread dies. If it does not, then people obviously think that it is worth discussing.
:)
~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~
The poster of this thread complains...
... that talk about this sort of topic is a distraction and unproductive.
Yet he keeps making threads about it. Go figure.
ok lets go after the fluoride spammers next
are you ready?
Regnad Kcin,
You are not nice.
Jiminy Cricket,
...are you sure I am not nice?
Yes.
:(
here's the reference---non- CDC
The Journal of Infectious Diseases 2000;181(Suppl 1):S244–8