Pastor Steve Anderson's 4th of July Tea Party
Submitted by Hannah2 on Mon, 07/06/2009 - 06:22
(Pastor who was tasered and beaten by border control checkpoint)
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Yea, he's a man all right!
People who think he's too extreme would have thought the same thing of our founding fathers.
We've got too many wusses behind pulpits who fleece the flock and bow to the IRS.
Pastors have every right to speak the truth in or out of their pulpits. If they are 501(c)3 churches, they need to burn their 501(c)3 papers and stand on their constitutional right to be free and speak the truth - even to power!
The reason Pastor Anderson is so refreshing is because most "preachers" are boring!
I know him and he does have guts. He walks the walk, homeschools his children and hates lies, especially religious lies.
He ruffles the feathers of most Baptist preachers.
Yea, we need a lot more like him!
skilled manipulator
Clearly, pastor Anderson, as a local, knew the BP checkpoint drills, knew they would be ham-handed and overbearing, and so, with camera pre-positioned, he provoked the tasering and he captured on a file what he wanted.
And pastor Anderson planned that the vid would go viral and draw a lot of site visits.
The question: why, and for what motive?
This is so far unclear to me. So, for some insight into him I watched some sermong vids and, time permitting, perhaps you may want to check some out at his site and/or YouTube.
From what I watched, first, I sense his congregation is very small. Second, he's an independent non-denominational, with a kind of conspiratorial 'fringe' message rather than a warm fuzz, and so is unlikely to grow as a church congregation. Conclusion: the tasering is a publicity event to expand his reach. He's a speaking talent, but not an inspiring spiritually uplifting sort of guy that suburbanites would want to listen to every week, especially with antsy kids to keep amused. So, he must pursue political ambitions and needs donor. I do love a man with strong convictions.
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Skilled Ignorant you are.
"We are all born ignorant, but must work to remain stupid." --Benjamin Franklin
"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority." --Benjamin Franklin
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than to those attending too small a degree of it." --Thomas Jefferson
He Was Standing Up for the Constitution!
Of course he was intentionally doing so! It should always be intentional.
Duh!
Most people don't and that's why you actually consider standing up for the Constitution abnormal or strange, chastising those that actually do, claiming it must just be a stunt, and instead preferring to go with the flow and be illegally stopped and searched without a second thought.
What a shame!
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There is so many talented people out their incuding speakers. People like this need a little more coverage. This ones a knockout. Hope it goes viral.
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Bravo!
wonderful speech.
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If this guy was "trolling" for a fight
And the BP knew this, then they should have respected his rights. Instead, they resort to shock torture and battery, because that's the main thing they are there for. Obedience training can be violent. That's all the BP is doing.
Way to go Steve.
No mincing of words here. We need to think hard about freedom and straighten ourselves out.
AWESOME!
I saw this video at the top of the page the other day, but I just didn't take the time to watch it. I was kind of curious why it was at the top. Well, I just watched it, and now I know why this is at the top of the page!
Great passionate speech!
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'Pastors' Anderson and Sharpton....
...are cut from the same cloth. Both created bogus incidents (Anderson at the BP station) to gain notoriety.
Baldwin/Anderson? Please...!
joeu is a Liar
Or amazingly ignorant.
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Both!!!!
He has to stop, but he does not have to consent to a warrant less search. You can't have the fifth amendment if you do not support the fourth amendment!
Bogus Incidents To Gain Notoriety???
What part of....
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
do you not understand???????
(you've been here almost 2 years joeu, how could you make a statement like that??? are you just pulling our legs or what???)
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Pulling legs...
...seems to be what the 'Pastor' is all about. Just like Sharpton.
The arguments that the BP stations are illegal is false in that the SCOTUS has approved them (whether you like that ruling or not) and so the BP officers are operating legally. Based on his videos Anderson was trolling the BP stations with the goal of starting a fight with them. After getting in their face for quite some time they used force, minimal force at that, to remove him the car. Anderson was clearly provoking them to take action. The blame rests with him, not the BP.
Two points more,
The BP stations/checkpoints are necessary to control illegal immigrant entry into this country. Most Americans are against illegal immigration and support the BP.
Real abuse and violence by police, like in this video, should always be condemned.
http://vodpod.com/watch/1553480-bumped-just-so-we-understand...
Nothing of this sort *remotely* occured with the BP (despite Anderson;'s histrionic attempts to play it up as such) whose actions were legal and involved minimal force. Anderson was clearly out to provoke the BP and so deserves neither sympathy nor support, especially if you favor apprehending illegal aliens, recognize the damage that would occur if the BP stations were not there and support national sovereignty.
good one
Your comment made me laugh out loud. "The BP stations/checkpoints are necessary to control illegal immigrant entry into this country." Hahahahaha, oh man, that's a good one.
I guess you haven't noticed, but no one is controlling the illegal aliens.
Im from Texas and I see illegals everywhere,all the time,everyday.
BP are just there to hassle people and to catch only the most obvious and stupidest of law breakers and illegals, as well as rough up and scare Americans who go to Mexico for cheap pharmaseuticals.
They serve relatively little use under the current structure.
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You are right...
...about illegals being everywhere but it seems your solution, like many on this thread, is to throw the doors wide open. But you are mistaken about the Border Patrol-they are apprehending illegals in the mountains and on the roads.
let's be clear
I didn't offer a solution. You offered your assumption of what my solution would be. Please point out where I said to have open borders.
I was just commenting on how funny I think your defense of the BP is.
The BP are not used effectively. I'm not anti-border patrol, but I am against wasting resources(money). They do not stop illegals at an overwhelmingly successful rate, hell, not even marginally successful. For every illegal they catch at a border stop, I wonder how many people's rights they violated in between? How many law abiding citizens were threatened and bullied?
More than likely almost everyone. IMO
Also, I think that within all law inforcement there is a culture of abuse against the general public and I feel, a general disdain for the public by the police. It has been captured time and time again, over and over.
In it's current state, Border Patrol is just not doing that great of a job.
They are wasting our money and giving us little to no effect on illegal immigration or drug trafficking.
You see illegals everywhere and you can get drugs in any and every city in the US.
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You are correct..
..I made an assumption based on your comments.
Regarding the success rate of the BP I agree that many, many illegals get past the gate and so more, not less, support is needed for the BP.. Even so, from 2005- 2008 more than 3 million illegals were apprehended by the Border Patrol in the southwest. Use a multiplier on these numbers of how many others would have followed them into the country and it's clear that BP is helping to stem the flow.
I do not agree that bullying and threats are a normal part of the BP routine. Quite the opposite. Are there rogue agents who may behave badly? LIkely yes, as in every law enforcement organization you can think of, even your local police department. This is a shortsighted reason however to attack the role the BP plays in trying to keep illegals out.
these numbers are interesting
so,according to you, from 2005-2008 they apprehended 3 million illegals, so approx 1 million a year.
The budget for the Border poatrol for just ONE year (2006) comes in at 1.6 billion ( http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=what+is+the+annua...)
as well as U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the parent agency of the Border Patrol within
the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), has seen its budget grow from $6 billion to
$9.3 billion between FY 2004 and FY 2008.
So what is the cost to apprehend, per illegal?
Still think they do the best job they can?
I would say they're just sucking up resources.
*side note* - I don't agree with you that border patrol is great,I think it needs to be dismantled and re-done from the ground up, but I got to give you props for debating the issue calmly. ;)
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A couple of points...
The numbers apprehended are for the Southwest. There are more appprehensions in other areas but likely much lower than in the SW.
I would add that if 3 million were not apprehended than the cost of them being here is multiplied through all the services that would accompany them (discussed by others on this thread) and that they would also trigger the additional and far reaching burdens-fiscal, political and cultural- associated with anchor babies, extended families, crime, etc.
You will not find me arguing in favor of bloated federal government agencies. I would assume there are excessive costs in 'administration' like every other fed. agency. I do say that the boots on the ground should be supported, especially the rank and file agents in the field who are doing a job that needs doing. Periodic dismantling and building from the ground up is always a good idea for organizations.
Is the BP 'great'? I woudn't go that far simply because it is a federal agency. There are a lot worse agencies though which do deserve criticism.
No, you didn't listen to the video - stop the incentives!
Don't punish all Americans by forcing everyone to give up their liberties, the solution is to punish those that come here illegally, and don't give them any incentives for coming illegally in the first place.
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I agree...
..with both your second points and only add that even without incenitves many people in the world would still come here because life in the home country is so intolerable that being in a hell hole in the US is still better than back home.
Regarding "giving up liberty" at the BP stations- I don't buy it. Egregious government actions that deprive people of liberty do occur every day. More than enough concrete reasons to rail against the government. Aside from debatable infractions of constitutional theory, however, BP stations are not much more than a minor inconvenience even as they serve a very necessary purpose.
Obviously BP isn't stemming illegals
I don't give a crap that the SCOTUS "approved" these checkpoints that are 50 miles into America. They violate the constitution. Period. These particular BP agents were on an obvious power trip and wanted to beat him up. I applaud Steve for pushing back. This is BS and we not gonna take it anymore. I urge you to read this:
http://www.larkenrose.com/tmds-blog/1894-youre-not-the-boss-...
I would not dispute the premise
..that the entire government is operating outside the constitution. But it doesn't help to promote actions that make our situation worse nor assume that every official government action, such as the BP stations, have no use. They do-unless you want completely open borders.
I dispute the statement about the BP being on a power trip . I think it was the other way around. Anderson was itching for a fight and now complains when he got one-no different than the tactics of Al Sharpton.
completely ridiculous neo con propaganda
i would like to know exactly how effective border patrol checkpoints are fifty miles away from the border. and those actions were minimal and legal? wtf!? since when did a freedom loving person who supports sovereignty become an anti-constitution advocate?
and even if pastor anderson did drive there to do what you said. good! i don't call it provoking. i call it confronting! it's about damn time we all started doing that, and he definitely has my sympathy and support for doing just that. you can give yours to the rest of the neo cons.
how does a bp station 50 miles from the border
help control illegal immigration?
If they want to deport people I know of several communities where no one in it speaks anything but spanish. If the bp wanted to do a good job why dont they go to those well known communities and send them all south of the border?
This whole thing is about us getting used to the fifth and fourth ammendment bieng illigal.
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"how does a bp station 50 miles from the border help control illegal immigration?"
The border crossing stations are dots on a border hundreds miles long. Bypass the border a few miles to either side and you're home free without the checkpoints further inland. No checkpoints and the immigrants invasion becomes a flood.
Where do you live?
I live in S.C. and we have a flood already. If you dont see it I want to know where you live, or when you last got your eyes checked.
I agree with you...
......and so it is not in our (US citizen) interest to try and dismatle stations that do help stem the flood.
I think the point is that they havent helped stem the flood
and worse they encourage people to give up their fourth and fifth amendment rights.
And no the ends do not justify the means espesially when the ends are leaving us no better off than the beginning