Ban me if you want, but I HAVE to say this..
Submitted by GeorgeWashington on Thu, 11/29/2007 - 09:38I know I will get some hate responses, but I MUST say this.
There are several methods/issues that the MSM and bloggers are pushing to minimize Paul's chances of winning. These are repeated over and over again.
1. To link him with conspiracy theorists.
2. To link him to nazi and white Supremacist donators.
3. Ask if he is running as a 3rd party candidate, the inference being he has no chance of winning.
4. Link a pimp and his prostitutes to his campaign.
5. To label Paul an isolationist.
6. To link Dennis Kucinich, Mr. UFO himself, to Paul as a Vice Presidential candidate.
Now no 6 is fueled by Paul's supporters who ignorantly believes that this is going to help. It Is NOT!
First, Kucinich is a democrat and doesn't have enough democratic support to make a difference if running with Paul. Second, as a democrat he would isolate the conservatives and Christians. Third, he is frowned upon by the MSM, much worse than Paul, and adding another frowned upon candidate isn't going to increase his support. Fourth, he is a socialist and big Government spender, complete opposite of Paul.
Hate me for saying this, but Kucinich is a DOWNER to the campaign. I wish people would stop spreading this as an asset to the campaign. I love Paul, but if Kucinich is named VP, I am out.
UPDATE for those who say it isn't going to happen:
I know some of you make the point that Kucinch with Paul isn't going to happen since Paul would not pick him. That argument isn't the root of the problem. The problem is that there is a growing support for the IDEA of it, and that will hurt Paul, not help.
Paul and Kucinich are
Paul and Kucinich are diametrically opposed on the economic scale. It would never work.
That said, I haven't seen the MSM pushing this, but the Kucinich camp. It's just their last-ditch effort to remain relevant by latching onto Paul's success.
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Paul-Kucinich would be a completely bi-polar pair!
Paul is for small gov and Kucinich is a left left socialist, meaning a huge big government. I like Kucinich's honesty, love him for proposing the impeachment of Dick the Dick and also he's a purist, honest and well intentioned (love his mrs!!!) **** but, no thanks! ****
I don't want the US becoming France! We already have the good wines and cheeses right here! :)
And you're all forgetting something: it will be up to RP to find his veep, not any of us. and whoever he chooses, I'll be fine with his choice. I trust the old geezer! He's the best thing that happened to this country in decades! We are living an amazing moment. Just think about it for a sec!
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Kucinich chose Paul as his
Kucinich chose Paul as his running mate. Not made up by Paul supporters. LEARN THE FACTS BRO!
Let's not twist what I stated, please
When did I say Paul supporters "picked" Kucinich? Let's get the facts straight. I said that some Pail supporters are cheering Kucinich's idea to have Paul as a running mate. Don't put words in my mouth.
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yes, forget about Kucinich already
It's fine if you like him. That's your own concern. We are in the
REPUBLICAN
primary. The sooner you stop talking about a
LIBERAL DEMOCRAT
running mate, the sooner we can stop being forced to explain your behavior to the millions of
REPUBLICANS
whose votes we are courting.
Thanks in advance for your intelligent support in this
REPUBLICAN
primary battle.
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I agree with GW: Kucinich would only hurt the campaign
Their ideologies are way to different... RP would first of all never allow Kucinich to be his VP... it would be way to hard to mix their ideologies...
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Georgewashington should be banned
He keeps his blog post fresh as being the one to make sure it does not go away. He is not a Ron Paul supporter.
Oh please, are you for real?
Oh please, are you for real? This is a concern. have you browed youtube and the web lately? There seems to be a growing support for this idea.
If you really think it is a good idea to link a lefty democrat to Paul and/or just brush this issue aside maybe you are the one that is not a Paul supporter. I am trying to save another embarrassing issue linked to Paul. What is your motive?
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What hurt Paul initially was
What hurt Paul initially was his self-professed admiration of Dennis. Frankly, that was a bad move even if it was his honest assessment.
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I agree, but didn't want to
I agree, but didn't want to extend myself that far, yet=)
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"That's Not Gonna Happen"
to quote a famous ass. There was an excellent interview out of NH on Sunday (Meet the Candidates, I think. I'll look for the link) that featured both Kucinich and Paul. Their platforms are VERY different. I don't believe there is any way that RP would choose Dennis to back him up - especially when there are so many like-minded people that have helped with this campaign to choose from.
If people are not smart enough
If people are not smart enough to distinguish after last night's debate who the real conservatives of the party are and what issues matter to the people who are conservative, nothing is going to get them to see that the media -picked frontrunners are the liberals of the bunch.
As far as Paul winning or losing it's not over til Nov 08, even if he doesn't get the Repub nomination.
In my opinion if Paul doesn't get the nomination the Repub party has no chance of winning and will probably crumble for some years to come.
The people that do leave will form a third party around Paul and the ideas of returning to Constitutional Rule of Law.
I will be one of those conservatives if Giuliani ,Romney, McCain , or Huckabee becomes nominee.
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I agree
Associating Ron Paul w/ Kucinich (or visa versa) does very little to attract the traditional republicans like me, my family and friends to Paul's campaign. Kuchinich is too much of a lightning rod for attracting criticism and he would be a burden on the campaign ...not to mention our wallets.
I don't doubt he is a principled, good person. But there are too many others of like character, that would serve to bolster Paul's campaign (i.e. Buchanan who's actually fared well in the past, or others of that magnitude).
All the Wiser
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Control freak
No need to ban you, but I do find it hilarious that some people here at the DailyPaul feel a need to act as surrogate nannies to the rest of us. In your case, it is telling the folks who support Paul/Kucinich just how stupid they are. A poster last week was temporarily banned for going absolutely nutty and claiming that people who donate to Paul before Dec. 16 are traitors to the campaign.
The Kucinich/Paul ticket rumor has come from Kucinich and his hot wife. They genuinely like Ron Paul, and they probably think that invoking his name will help Kucinich get some attention, which it has. However, the only name I've heard Ron Paul mention as VP material is Walter Williams. Paul and Kucinich agree on foreign policy, and that's about it.
As for the "if Paul nominates Kucinich, I'm out" quote at the end - you may see yourself as a nanny to the rest of us, but you're coming off as childish. Unlike you, I trust Ron Paul to pick a veep who is, like Paul himself, a traditional conservative. Also, I accept the fact that those who support Ron Paul come from all over the political spectrum. As the multiculturists like to say when they are brainwashing the masses - "Our diversity is our strength".
I appreciate your input,
I appreciate your input, however, I am not sure how you came to the conclusions you did.
For one, I never said anyone was stupid for supporting Kucinich and/or a Kucinich/Paul ticket. Stupid would be voting for Giualiani or Romney, for reasons I don't need to get into now. What I did say was that that ticket would HURT Paul, and it would in my opinion. I also take issue with you that stating my opinion would somehow translate into me acting like some surrogate parent over the rest of you.
Don't confuse people who give their opinion with people who want to control you. The former are people on here, the latter are people in t he Government.
I addressed your last point of me being out if Kucinich is below, but in the event you missed it here it is again. My real only and main issue why I am supporting Paul is promotion of individual freedom and small Government, and that I am afraid that with Kucinich on the ticket, a man that believes in mandatory social programs (forced contributions) would go against the foundation for my initial support.
It would be the same if you support Kucinich and then Bush ended up on his ticket, completely opposite ideology, and supporting such contrary ideology just doesn't makes sense to me as one ticket.
Finally to call me a control freak is simply unfair and without any merit. I stated an opinion in the interest of my support and only support for Paul, and to infer anything else, is just not warranted.
We should be able to have dissent and differences of opinions without being called control freaks.
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No worries
His supporters can carry on all they want and Kucinich's wife can say all she wants. Paul is friends with and greatly respects Kucinich for many reasons, but I think they kindly agree to disagree about most things. He would never have him as a running mate. Paul is too principled for that. There are plenty of great liberty-loving, small-government, sound-money, non-interventionist conservatives to choose from.
My vote: Paul / Badnarik
Let me address this argument
I know some of you make the point that Kucinch with Paul isn't going to happen since Paul would not pick him. That argument isn't the root of the problem. The problem is that there is a growing support for the IDEA of it, and that will hurt Paul, not help.
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I'd like to see Paul go for Hagel
I really want to see a Paul/Hagel ticket.
The "busting big government balls" ticket. Amen
A Paul/Hagel ticket would be
A Paul/Hagel ticket would be bad. Hagel is a big amnesty for illegal aliens supporter, and paul is strongly anti-amnesty. Paul needs a VP who agrees with him on illegal immigration, someone like governor Mark Sanford who'd be a much better choice. Hagel is also a CFR member if I recall correctly. Not good.
Hagel has a radical feminist aide named Larissa Martinez
I would campaign against any ticket with Hagel in it.
Hagel voted to force American men to be background checked just to say hello to women online (IMBRA law).
His legislative aide, Larissa Martinez, is impervious to logic on that score.
Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo were the only Republicans to vote against IMBRA and the new Frankenstein version of VAWA that makes a man's testimony worthless in a he said/she said disagreement.
Last month, when 19 Republican Senators voted against funding the Office on Violence Against Women with $430 Million in pork funding, Hagel took Larissa's advice and voted yes. She was ignoring a lot of men who had explained to her in detail that the groups who benefit from those millions never vote Republican.
Thats what we need to be talking about!
As you probably know, Hagel is the one Paul would vote for if he wasn't running! It would be great to get him on board to show that not all republicans believe that pre-emptive war is an uncrazy idea. When/if Paul starts really gaining, ie a top three placing in Iowa, first in NH, the Doctor should really reach out to Hagel and try to make it happen.
There's somethin' happenin' here...
Power To The People?
i dont think it will happen
huffpo - hagel would consider running as a dem and he thinks hillary is capable.
saw it this morning.
relevance? probably not much....that said....i don't see them coming together.
GW......
The only thing I take exception to is... "I love Paul, but if Kucinich is named VP, I am out."
You know you will be called to fight to the death..... just like the real GW and sustain damaging blows... in order to prevail.
That is THE only way we will lose....If we quit.
I'd be out too
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I accept that last point,
I accept that last point, but my real only and main issue why I am supporting Paul is promotion of individual freedom and small Government, and that I am afraid that with Kucinich on the ticket, a man that believes in mandatory social programs (forced contributions) would go against the foundation for my initial support.
It would be the same if you support Kucinich and then Bush ended up on his ticket, completely opposite ideology, and supporting such contrary ideology just doesn't makes sense to me as one ticket.
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That's all too hypothetical
That's all too hypothetical to argue about. DK isn't going to be named Vice President.
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Amen...
...to this entire post!
I have been saying the same thing, Kucinich only hurts Paul. By people tying Paul's wagon, one which is a juggernaut, a 'revolution' if you will, to a socialist democrat who sees aliens only helps Kucinich! Associating these two is not really in the interest of ANY Paul supporters, only Kucinich supporters who want to piggyback on Paul's success..
There's somethin' happenin' here...
Power To The People?
As far as a Paul / Kucinich
As far as a Paul / Kucinich ticket? No way BUT a Paul vs Kucinich ticket would be a breath of fresh air as both are non CFR sell-puts so they can be honest. IMO this would be a "Better of two Goods" vs a "Lessor of two Evils" election and I cant remember when that has happened in my life time.
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Ask them if nut job Christians dancing around with snakes makes them question their own Christianity. We can't account for everyone, because freedom is popular.
Kucinich I think not
Kucinich helped propose anti gun legislation. He is a socialist. He acts the part but he doesnt walk it.