Why the topic of evolution belongs on dailypaul

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I originally started a post on God vs Evolution, and I had many folks complain that it was not freedom related, but I feel it is. Originally I just updated the post, but decided through advise that I should separate them, and I agree. I think that it surely is a freedom related topic, and I will explain.

I am all for people believing in whatever they choose. The thing is people like me who do not believe in evolution are forced with evolution. When I went to kindergarten, I was told things that cannot be proven, and I was fed these things as fact. Has anyone here ever been told when they were in school that the Earth is billions of years old? Has anyone here been told that we came from primordial soup? Has anyone here been told that we used to be monkeys, or at least descendants from a common ancestor? Has anyone here been graded on these questions or many more like this that contradict what the facts are, or what their beliefs are? If you go to college to become an astrophysicist, a biologist, or any similar field of scientist, and do not agree with the evolution theory, you will not get your PhD.

Do you know that science cannot prove any animal ever evolved to another different species? I do believe in one form of evolution, so do not think I am ignorant. I believe things can have small changes within their own kind (micro evolution) but I do not, nor ever will believe in macro evolution (macro being evolution from one kind of animal to another). Things do change to some extent, and things do lose information, and appear to be something else. For example, a rabbit from Alaska cannot breed with Florida rabbits, yet both Florida, and Alaskan rabbits can breed with Minnesota rabbits....do you know what they would produce as offspring though??? That is right...rabbits. The far extreme rabbits cannot breed due to the loss of DNA, and not from macro evolution, not from millions of years of changes, or any gain in DNA. So I do agree that things change, and if you call that evolution, that is fine, but do not confuse micro evolution in with this macro evolution which is shoved down the throats of our children daily, and are forced to believe or they get penalized by poor grades in school, and shunned from the academic world.

So if you think that this topic has nothing to do with freedom, then I guess that means that your choice to have your children vaccinated or not is not a matter of freedom either. Maybe you should let the state and government choose that for you as well? Hell, give away one freedom, may as well give em all up right? When do we draw that line in the sand? When do we say enough is enough? You see what I am saying yet? I am saying the public school systems are feeding our children lies, and we are not doing anything to stop it.

Our school system will not and do not teach about God, or Jesus, and you know what. I am comfortable with that. You cannot prove that God exists, so why teach it as science. You can never really to the fullest prove God made this earth, but sadly there is more evidence on for creation than evolution (though they choose to teach evolution), but most kids will never know this. My point is you cannot prove evolution as science, so why force our kids to believe this religion that our schools and college kids call science (not all believe evolution is true, just to clarify, but sadly they are all forced to learn about it).

I ask you...is this not a issue for freedom? Is the brainwashing of our children not enough to talk about? I know the original post was and is about God vs. Evolution, but that was to bring to light the issues, and it is an issue. I was trying to get someone to explain evolution, but did you notice they can't? No one seems to really know all the details, and no one can really explain how it happened. Yet...it is fed to your kids in school every single day of the year as 100% fact. It is required your kids believe, and understand something that cannot be proven. Doesn't this sound a bit weird to you? Doesn't that sound a bit like mind control? Isn't this something that the government wants your kids to believe?

I just want people to weigh the options, and decide for themselves if they truly believe in evolution, or God? Then decide from there if they think that our kids should be taught this nonsense? I am gonna give you a link to some info, and I want you all to watch these videos, or at least some of them. Do you not agree you at least need to be informed of both sides of this issue before making a solid judgment? Wouldn't that be wise to do? Watch any of the first 7 seminars located here http://freehovind.com/watch I wish you would watch them all if you have time. I do not agree with everything this man says, but he makes some VERY valid points. The number one point being that evolution can easily be disproved (as taught in schools) and should not be taught in school as fact. It is imperative that before you go and throw God to the side, or this forum post, you need to decide, and what better way than getting to the root of it all.

And for you Zeitgeist believers, don't you think if the government wanted you to believe in God (assuming God is fake) and control you through religion. Don't you think they would have made up a better story than that, and then wouldn't they press it in school as fact, and force you to believe it as they do with evolution? Why is it in the young America days, God was accepted in schools, and bountiful in freedom, yet today God is shunned, and we have very limited freedoms. I will tell you why, because where you have God, you have freedom, and you have a reason to stand and fight for your God given rights. But without God you are simply a animal (according to evolution), and when caged will do anything for it's master to make sure to be fed. (That is not intended as an attack on anyone who believes in evolution, but it was meant as a comparison in my opinion).

Look at the Communist manifesto, and you will see that the abolishing of religion is needed to subdue and control a people. When you think you only have this life, and you can easily die, why would you risk it for a simple freedom? However, if you know you are going to a better place after your body is killed...you are much more likely to make a stand. If not for you, then for your family and friends. So I think that governments would be silly and foolish to make people believe in God, when the lack of God seems more logical for control.

Anyway, that is how I feel, and I do think that this topic IS indeed freedom related, because if your kids can be brainwashed in schools, and you let the government do it...well that sounds pretty 1984 to me.

Be informed, make your decision, and never let the government tell you what you have to learn. Teach your children to question things. It is important....even if you don't see the purpose.

And no I am not a troll, I am Dennis McMillan. I am a person with questions, and I am a father, so call me troll if you want, but I am concerned for my child's education, and the education of his peers....they will someday be running the show you know?

God bless you all!

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Seminars bookmarked.

Why not, I'll give it a go. Perhaps the study on the Illuminati and 9/11 isn't the only rabbit hole;)

truth liberate

me too!

We are debating between public, private and home schooling right now and this an issue for us. Thanks for the post.

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

-Alexis de Tocqueville

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

-Alexis de Tocqueville

you mean topics

you seem to be growing your topics. One is tolerable, we can just ignore it, but come on stop creating more of the same topic over and over again.

Whats really sad is the people you want to have the discussion with won't read your post, it's excruciating, boring, naive. You'll just be talking to like minded thinkers and reassuring yourselves of your beliefs.

Die, thread, die.

Die, thread, die.

If someone wants to see a thread die,

they should refrain from posting to it,
and bumping the thread by doing so.

This is really an issue of public schools

Fortune Favors the Bold

Nobody has the right to force you to believe anything. I guess the real issue here is, does someone have the right to extract money from you to teach people something you don't believe in. Well, no. But that's an issue of the basis of taxation.

Trying to argue it from the standpoint of modifying what the schools teach based on what you believe is absurd. By that logic, everyone who was taxed would have to have their viewpoints taught in school.

I feel like you're missing the goal posts here.

Fortune Favors the Bold

I agree with JohnGalt300.

I agree with JohnGalt300. Issues like evolution taught in school are irrelevant and easily solved once the root problem is solved. Government schools.

Different situation same solution:
Universal health care? Get the government out of health care and you'll see how much more universal it gets.

How much should CEO's get payed? Doesn't matter if you take the federal reserve out of the equation and let the free market decide. Its sorts itself out naturally.

root causes should be our focus not symptoms.

In the mean time while we're rearranging the deck chairs of our educational system, I see nothing wrong with informing students about evolution as a theory of the best we've been able to come up with so far. Here are our findings, decide for yourself. Fine no problem.

I do have a problem when it is claimed as undeniable fact and dissenters are penalized, and equal disagreement when evolution is emphatically refuted based on perhaps misunderstood Biblical references. Neither positions are defensible in my opinion. Evolution is not proven but nor do I believe it is biblically incongruous, it remains a possibility, no more, no less. Humanity is still learning, not much is really known for certain. I'm all for investigating the mysteries of the universe, but I'm wary when facts are claimed when proper science has not been concluded or when evidence is impossible to procure. This is how we wind up with improper action being taken on global warming. Such things should be stated as theories and beliefs and nothing more until proven otherwise, and should be acted upon only voluntarily not forcibly.

Ultimately it boils down to the tax issue like john said.