Today I am ashamed to be a Catholic
I was raised Catholic, attended church every Sunday, went to a Catholic high-school and college, lead retreats in the winter and was camp counselor in the summer. I have always admired the Catholic doctrine which seemed to understand philosophy and reason were requirements in order to have a strong faith. I in fact almost joined the seminary in college to become a priest but decided I just wouldn’t be able to give up the women – whew, thank God for women.
So I’ve been warned in recent months that churches might in the near future be used to preach to their flocks and convince them to peacefully accept a new world government. At first I honestly thought this was ludicrous. Certainly churches are much more principled than to accept orders from the world’s power elites. Churches couldn’t be as easily paid off and controlled as governments are? Could they be?
I later accepted this might have some merit and was in fact even necessary. No country in their right mind would willingly give up their sovereignty and local control to an all powerful central world government without being first brainwashed.
Then I wake up to this headline in the news today: Papal message seeks "global authority" for economy.
Let the brainwashing begin…
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict on Tuesday called for a "world political authority" to manage the global economy and for more government regulation of national economies to pull the world out of the current crisis and avoid a repeat.
The pope's call for a re-think of the way the world economy is run came in new encyclical which touched on a number of social issues but whose main connecting thread was how the current crisis has affected both rich and poor nations.
Called "Charity in Truth," parts of the encyclical appeared bound to upset conservatives because of its underlying rejection of unbridled capitalism and unregulated market forces, which he said had led to "thoroughly destructive" abuse of the system.
The pope said every economic decision has a moral consequence and called for "forms of redistribution" of wealth overseen by governments to help those most affected by crises.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5662VM20090707...
Just be ashamed of listening to media
You have to read the encyclical itself. Why listen to the news media's interpretation? If they can't get economics right, what makes you think they'll get theology right?
Google Luigi Giussani, absorb his thought, then you will better be able to understand where Papa Ben is coming from.
what is wrong with this?
...Later in the encyclical (57) he speaks of the opposite concept to one- world government -subsidiarity (the principle of Catholic social teaching which states that matters ought to be handled by the smallest, lowest or least centralized competent authority) - as being essential. "In order not to produce a dangerous universal power of a tyrannical nature, the governance of globalization must be marked by subsidiarity," says the Pope...
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jul/09070812.html
The Problem is
there is a very mixed message throughout the encyclical. I have quoted quite a bit from it down below. I am reading through it and I don't like the sound of a lot of it. Yes, there are some very wonderfully nice things being said in his Encyclical but the message is very conflicting. What he said that concerned me really concerns me. Again, this is not Catholic bashing. He has a tremendous influence on world thinking and so he has a responsibility to ensure what he says and means is crystal clear.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Healthnut4freedom
The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22
Ambiguous is the word....
Intentionally so in the past 40 years. Catholic teaching, encyclicals, etc., were ALWAYS very clear on what they were trying to present so even the least educated could understand what was being set forth.
The post Vatican II "popes" have all had the fuzzy, non specific, newspeak wording so that it could be translated to mean whatever who was reading it wanted it to mean, opening the doors to total confusion.
Clever of NewVatican, really! Look at the company he keeps with the promoters of the one world agenda....let nobody be fooled by these NWO blatherings by someone totally committed to its cause.
"Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom." Patrick Henry
"Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom." Patrick Henry
hmmm---so this works against the NWO guys!
i read news sources that were on the same line as reuters--or used reuters reports---somehow, he SOBs slipped and this "stunt" actually exposes the manipulation! - an obvious and glaring mistake that any catholic or religious can relate to and be indignant!
this could potentially alienate catholics and other religious people if this event can be harnessed with a tagline/angle "NYT and other Newssources mislead and misquote the pope to promote NWO"!
anyone can start a thread? this might spill into mainstream society and can [ehem] rally the ordinary sheeple and religious believer and start a "leak in the dike". or more leaks for that matter.
the superficial control really is starting to go down. if not for the internet where can reinvestigate what the pope actually said,rather than swallowing predetermined "news"[propaganda] when broadcasted one-time. harharhar.
yes!
thank you. ( {:>{|) }
Popes
Have done a hell of lot worse things than this. Is this not similar to getting upset with a serial rapest for not wearing protection?
yeah?..ok...as shown in a Editorial by John-Henry Westen 7/8/09
he speaks against tyranny-
Editorial: Pope's New Encyclical Speaks Against, not for One-World Government and New World Order
...Later in the encyclical (57) he speaks of the opposite concept to one- world government -subsidiarity (the principle of Catholic social teaching which states that matters ought to be handled by the smallest, lowest or least centralized competent authority) - as being essential. "In order not to produce a dangerous universal power of a tyrannical nature, the governance of globalization must be marked by subsidiarity," says the Pope...
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jul/09070812.html
different message...Editorial by John-Henry Westen 7/8/09
Editorial: Pope's New Encyclical Speaks Against, not for One-World Government and New World Order
The Pope actually speaks directly against a one-world government, and, as would be expected from those who have read his previous writings, calls for massive reform of the United Nations. Confusion seems to have come from paragraph 67 of the encyclical, which has some choice pull-quotes which have spiced the pages of the world's news, from the New York Times to those of conspiracy theorist bloggers seeing the Pope as the Anti-Christ.
The key quote which has led to the charge reads: "To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago."
However, in paragraph 41, the Holy Father specifically differentiates his concept of a world political authority from that of a one-world government. "We must," he says "promote a dispersed political authority." He explains that "The integrated economy of the present day does not make the role of States redundant, but rather it commits governments to greater collaboration with one another. Both wisdom and prudence suggest not being too precipitous in declaring the demise of the State. In terms of the resolution of the current crisis, the State's role seems destined to grow, as it regains many of its competences. In some nations, moreover, the construction or reconstruction of the State remains a key factor in their development."...Later in the encyclical (57) he speaks of the opposite concept to one- world government -subsidiarity (the principle of Catholic social teaching which states that matters ought to be handled by the smallest, lowest or least centralized competent authority) - as being essential. "In order not to produce a dangerous universal power of a tyrannical nature, the governance of globalization must be marked by subsidiarity," says the Pope...
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jul/09070812.html
I'm with you.
I can't believe I've lived to see this day - when the "Holy Father" could cooperate in the very subjugation of the human race by satanic forces. But,
God is faithful. This is still true and He will repay all who have harmed His Church and His flock. This includes all Christians.
I hope that Christians and Catholics everywhere will hold fast to Tradition. We cannot let the folly of Pat Robertson or Rick Warren or the Pope destroy our faith.
God save us.
You must not have been alive
You must not have been alive very long they have been saying the same tripe for 2,000 years. THEY ALL said they are above all earthly authority.its time to abandon so-called'the one true church' of his hellishness and join the church Jesus Christ founded.
"for thier is one mediator between God and man , the man CHRIST JESUS'. not Mary . mary is maggot meat, she matters nothing.
"We must re-take the Republican Party"-Ron Paul. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlqXq8YxQFQ
He is NOT saying that.
It is the Globalist bankers putting words in their mouth again and he's saying he does NOT agree with it.
I wouldn't be surprised he's subservient to their influence though as some of the jesuits & protestants are Zionists....
But in actuality he spoke out AGAINST the establishing of global government & globalization. Someone's out there twisting his words to make him the scapegoat. Nonetheless beware of false prophets..
I'm telling you it's not the leaders of these churches.....It's positively the Bankers since they are in charge of where the money always goes.
No, this is not completely
No, this is not completely about the Catholics but it seems the the influence of the Vatican in the world, its independantly recognized diplomatic power despite having a population of around 800 people is purely absurd... Here is a copy of the text of this encyclical.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/d...
If you push F3 and search for "redistribution" and for "common good" in the text for a moment you would almost think that Pope Benedict has been reading Karl Marx.
This is a concerning text. If you think that the Society of Jesus, Jesuit Order, and Knights of Columbus have no influence you are not correct.
I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run.
ha ha ha ha ha ha The pope
ha ha ha ha ha ha The pope reading Marx should anyone be shocked?The last one that kicked the bucket was redder than marx's longjohns. but the MSM says nothing. why?birds of a feather flock together. they are both wedded to the world. and the new world order.
"We must re-take the Republican Party"-Ron Paul. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlqXq8YxQFQ
Thanks for the info
Hitting F3 does indeed send you to some interesting quotes. I did work my way through about half of his encyclical. I am in the middle of unpacking from moving and working, so it is a slow go. I was focusing more on this discussion on economics. This quote jumped out when I hit redistribution
"Lowering the level of protection accorded to the rights of workers, or abandoning mechanisms of wealth redistribution in order to increase the country's international competitiveness, hinder the achievement of lasting development." It made me feel queasy, for sure.
Next quote "Therefore, it must be borne in mind that grave imbalances are produced when economic action, conceived merely as an engine for wealth creation, is detached from political action, conceived as a means for pursuing justice through redistribution." What does that mean exactly? Sounds like the two together could be fascism.
Another redistribution quote "But it also needs just laws and forms of redistribution governed by politics, and what is more, it needs works redolent of the spirit of gift."
And "In this way he (Pope VI) was applying on a global scale the insights and aspirations contained in Rerum Novarum, written when, as a result of the Industrial Revolution, the idea was first proposed — somewhat ahead of its time — that the civil order, for its self-regulation, also needed intervention from the State for purposes of redistribution."
And one more, if you still don't see the pattern, "The processes of globalization, suitably understood and directed, open up the unprecedented possibility of large-scale redistribution of wealth on a world-wide scale; if badly directed, however, they can lead to an increase in poverty and inequality, and could even trigger a global crisis."
Page 67 has basically what I feel the culmination of his message -
" In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth. One also senses the urgent need to find innovative ways of implementing the principle of the responsibility to protect[146] and of giving poorer nations an effective voice in shared decision-making. This seems necessary in order to arrive at a political, juridical and economic order which can increase and give direction to international cooperation for the development of all peoples in solidarity. To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago. Such an authority would need to be regulated by law, to observe consistently the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity, to seek to establish the common good[147], and to make a commitment to securing authentic integral human development inspired by the values of charity in truth. Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights."
It then goes on. I tried not to take anything out of context. I didn't make these quotes up. You can go and see them for yourself. And, as others are emphasizing, this is not about the Catholic church or her people, this is about a hierarchical society that has a tremendous amount of worldwide influence.
"Duties thereby reinforce rights and call for their defence and promotion as a task to be undertaken in the service of the common good" is another doozy. I challenge you all to discuss this and find only disinterested charity in the words.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Healthnut4freedom
The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22
everyone here needs to read
everyone here needs to read a book by avro manhattan. such as the vaticans holocaust where the cardinal murdered 2 million serbs jews and gypsies in 1940! The leapord does not change his spots the popes never changed, they just changed tactics. if the pope gets his chance he will get you killed deader than a hammer dearheart.
"We must re-take the Republican Party"-Ron Paul. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlqXq8YxQFQ
Specifically this is not about Catholics
This is about the men in power who, among pother institutions, have used the church to achieve their goals of one world government.
This is not about Catholics any more than the Israeli situation is about Jews.
It is about the men using these religions and how they are using them for their own ends.
Is the Pope one of them?
This quote doesn't leave a lot of room for doubt does it?
I say do not abandon the church. I say expose the men who use it for their gain.
They are a handful and we are billions.
I grew up in the northeast up to my neck in Catholics and love every single one.
Which one of them supported pedophile priests? None.
Which one of them supports one world government? None.
Toss these men who supposedly lead these organizations and get back to Christ's words....this Pope and his lackeys have nothing to do with moral authority.
We don't kill each other. We don't seek world domination.
We are the moral authority....they are not.
As soon as we act like it........ we will have a world ruled by peace.
Unify
They need to quit the
They need to quit the vatican and join the church Christ founded. the Lord isnt interested in catholics he came 'to seek and to save that which was lost'. 'sinners'! the vatican and the catholic church are IMPOSTERS! why do you think they get so much respect from the world and Jesus Christ and his real followers get spit on and killed?
"We must re-take the Republican Party"-Ron Paul. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlqXq8YxQFQ
This Is The Case
of "non-catholic need not reply".
based on the song, "Signs".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Q7cP3ij5g
Get the idea anyone, we're not worthy. Gotta have a membership card to get inside. Can't ya read the sign?
~peace~ ~peace~
Priests CAN get married according to God and His Word
Aaron the first High Priest of Israel (brother of Moses) was married and had children. It was his first born son that became the next priest and so on. Marriage is encouraged by God. It is holy.
God's first commandment to mankind is to multiply. This is another thing that the Catholic Church got wrong!
Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
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That's fine, just don't start using birth control. The 1 thing
Catholics do get right is they have a tribunal to annul their marriages, after you get a divorce. All other religions tell you to go straight to the courthouse, after you've been to a divorce lawyer in your blue jeans, not your wedding gown or tux. At least they acknowledge that a religious ceremony should be broken by the church & not the state!
By the way, you have to get married before you can get a divorce, it is a prerequisite!
For some reason, we're expected to know every law that exists in America & in our state so we don't break it. We're supposed to know this when we're 18. There's no litmus test for them, as in the 10 commandments or rhyme or reason. C.U.R.E.
Churches have always been a
Churches have always been a tool used to dominate and control. For decades there has been an ongoing and active supression of archeological and literary evidence which would explain our true origins and the nature of the relationship between man and his "gods". If you want to go down the rabbit hole, I'd recommend reading the Earth Chronicles series by Zecharia Sitchin. Start with "The 12th Planet" and "Genesis Revisited" and go from there.
Remember last week when the Ethiopian church leader said that they were going to reveal the Ark of the Covenant? I knew it would never happen.... not because it doesn't exist, or because I'm that smart, but because of what I have learned from studying Sitchin's work and ancient archeology/world history. The Ark is actually a piece of high technology.... literally translated the original word for the ark meant "speaker" and it was a communications device between the priests and "God". It was electrical..... It had to be carried on wooden poles. Remember the guy who touched it..... Uzza, I think it was? Died instantly. It wasn't "God" striking him down, he was electrocuted. Anyhow, the church knows all this and has been in league with the political elites forever in an effort to keep the sheeple believing in mystical fairy tales.
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Truth is treason in an empire of lies.
Scroll down!
and read some of the excellent posts that detail how MSM reports on this are unreliable. Some on this list have taken the time to read parts of the Encyclical in question and are telling a different story.
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reading this stuff about
reading this stuff about the pope makes me wonder if everyone here is talking about the same pope i know. I feel like im listening to the msm talk about that nice sweet bou michael jackson. the one i know of was a child molester. did everyone here miss out on 2,000 years of recorded history?hello!
"We must re-take the Republican Party"-Ron Paul. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlqXq8YxQFQ
lets just pray for them
My only pride left is my integrity--that I am not like them. And I will pray for the pope. Jesus said to love your enemies. And that is all I can do. well, maybe laugh,hehe.
I was born and raised a Catholic. But I never bought that dogma that the pope has the keys to heaven thing, ever since I can remember. And now, the "only person in the entire universe" who can open heaven for me is telling me to accept a world political authority? hehehehe.
I will only laugh and pray for the pope. But I will remain a catholic. I owe it to the millions of others who are genuinely living the life of Christ everyday of their lives.
I wish to be counted as one of them,the ordinary people who make life meaningful and a moral compass which will forever remain intact, even if my leaders are serving other interests.
my personal opinion...
This is the latest "make or break" move by the ruling elite. a semblance of democracy and accountability.--as if making it appear that there was a legitimate resistance,but was subdued or "lost" thru a legitimate process--a semblance that there was a fair fight.
it seems like all areas are covered---obama confronting putin who wants a multipolar world, the pope announcing the call for a one-world govt, the scare tactics of the swine flu "pandemic" [which killed a measly 200+]; the mainstream exposure of the "federal reserve" existence taboo topic;and the substantial reduction of financial-capability of american citizens [and the world]thru these bailouts and foreign loans; and the introduction of a new world currency.
truth is scarier than fiction. we still outnumber them 100-1; and their hold is superficial--like the egyptian pharoahs who insisted to their citizens they are gods from heaven. i wonder what the future will hold....these people rely on logic, create a cause for the desired effect[create problem for acceptance of intended solution]--which is linear--like GBush&Planners foreseing the chaos in New York in 911,and public outcry for martial rule[or something]---but instead, people became more orderly, simply walked home, and felt more connected and loved each other more.
the future really is uncharted territory.
uncertainty is a key universal constant,25 years after the forecasted "1984"; not only are the plans totally out of control and far from its idealistic infancy,but in real danger of falling apart
Well, there goes my conversion...
Protestant for life.
"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy
"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."
I have been ashamed for a while...
now. With all of my research I was led to the vatican and the international bankers. The vatican own their own banking dynasty, yet they continue to cry poverty. They have had a vast amount of power and control for a very long time.
Has anyone read 'A Nun's Testimony'? http://www.scribd.com/doc/14962276/Sister-Charlotte-a-Nuns-T...
or the Franklin Cover-up? Not all of the church are bad, but I must say with all of my research they keep coming up in one way or another.
No more secrecy demand transparency!
Me Too ...
I'm a very active Roman Catholic and after this from The Pope I feel ashamed as well.
I have also been ashamed for the fact that the Vatican and Pope Pious the 16th was complicit or at least stood silent while most all new the Jews were being slaughtered by the Nazis. A fact that the Vatican has never publically or officially aknowledged.
harry browne not to dog you
harry browne not to dog you but have you never realized the pope and vatican are anti-free speech assembly press gun ownership. anti constitution? WHAT EVER GAVE YOU THE IDEA THIS GUY WAS RON PAUL IN PAJAMAS... WITH A BOTTLE OF VODKA?????? THIS JACKASS HAS BEEN AGAINST OUR REPUBLIC SINCE THE START. HE OUTLAWED THE COPIES OF THE CONSTITUTION IN ROME. FACT...IM TALKING ...FACT NOW, IF THE POPE HAS HIS WAY HE WILL LIQUIDATE EVERY AMERICAN FREEDOM LOVER PROTESTANT OR CATHOLIC HE CAN GET HIS HANDS ON. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ALKASELTZER. HES NOT SANTA CLAUS OR YOUR PA PA. QUIT GETTING SENSITIVE WHEN THE TRUTH COMES YOUR WAY ON THIS SUBJECT AND YOU WILL LEARN SOMETHING.
"We must re-take the Republican Party"-Ron Paul. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlqXq8YxQFQ