How Did Jefferson Know????
Especially read the last quote from 1802.
When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe,
we shall become as corrupt as Europe .
Thomas Jefferson
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes.
A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.'
Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
Since none of you know the answer...
I'll give it to you. One evening in Sam Adams brewery, Jefferson and Franklin were just hanging out reliving some of the war stories from the revolution. They drank up quite a bit of the good stuff and struggled to get out of the place. In their stupor, an ingenious idea came upon them - time travel. They'd heard Washington talk about it from some of his lodge meetings, and they decided that they'd figure it out and find out what would happen to the nation they had helped found. They got some backing from Hancock and went to the drawing board. Eventually they built a contraption that would toss them forward into the future. It only worked once, but the time it did it sent them straight into a FED board meeting. That's the short version and it leaves out all the brouhaha they caused in some pool halls and at a few pro baseball games, but Franklin did say that he was really impressed with the way the fire dept. and the library system had advanced (although he noted that individuals were taxed to pay for them instead of private contract). When they got back, Jefferson mused over his own memorial and the meaning and implications of what he had seen, and Franklin openly remarked that "...this place is really going to go to $h!t...I guess they don't keep that Republic we gave them", and took off to France for a quick vacation.
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Obama's ancestors were slave owners
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TheKingIsComing
He didn't know - the last one is not a Jefferson quote.
This has been covered many times here in the past. There is no verifiable source that shows Jefferson ever uttered these words.
Most internet references are circular, or they all point back to the same unsourced posting.
I did see someone tried to claim it came from a letter he wrote with the name of the recipient and the date, and while there was such a letter written, this text is no where to be found within it.
There is a historical Jefferson society which maintains a complete archive of his writings and they say there is no writing in their collection that contains this quote.
He didn't know, because he didn't say it.
But anyone at the time with a brain COULD have said it and been of course completely correct. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that non-market based monetary systems that are manipulated by supply variances will ultimately destroy any nation, reduce the masses to abject poverty, and concentrate wealth in the hands of a few.
Bankers
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Qu...
TheKingIsComing
Check this out then...
http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/Private_Banks_(Quotation)
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ~ Margaret Mead
Bankers
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090302055219AA...
TheKingIsComing
Actually
he did. It was a "telescoped" paragraph from a couple of letters. It is, in the main (90%+), what he said. Banks were one of his thorns hence he penned much upon them. Wish I had the link again to prove it....
"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy
"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."
Make a thread -- Otherwise people wont get it
Make sure to site your sources
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Here's a good one
"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day. But a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly proves a deliberate systematic plan of reducing us to slavery." - Thomas Jefferson
Psychic??
What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!
What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!
as far as the last quote
maybe its seems prophetic due to a misunderstanding of the word inflation..
http://www.yourdictionary.com/dictionary-articles/Definition...
Currently inflation is thought of as a rise in prices.. (the effect not the cause)
as opposed to in Jeff's day, it was thought of by the cause..
Increasing the Money Supply.. by fiat or Decree! (out of thin air)
Because history repeats.
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
He knew, like all of the other Founding Fathers,
because he was classically educated. Progressive education deliberately did away with the moral and historical knowledge the Fathers had.
How does the education of Harvard in 1643 differ with today's Harvard education? How does the primary grades' education of 1750 differ with today's. There is the key!
Read the essay "The Lost Tools of Learning" by Dorothy Sayers, for your answer. It's on line.
The greatness of the education of the Puritan and American founding eras is already being brought back: American Association of Classical and Christian Schools, and their flagship college, New Saint Andrews College (based on the Harvard education of 1643).
Agreed that a classical
Agreed that a classical education is worth the effort...it has made my study of the founding fathers that much richer.
Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. "I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude." Jefferson to James Madison, 1787.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.
When the representative body
When the representative body have lost the confidence of their constituents, when they have notoriously made sale of their most valuable rights, when they have assumed to themselves powers which the people never put into their hands, then indeed their continuing in office becomes dangerous to the state, and calls for an exercise of the power of dissolution.
--Thomas Jefferson, A Summary View of the Rights of British America, 1774.
Sound like any representative bodies you know today?
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.
Gee I guess he was a friggin prophet. Actually, he wasn't fed
a diet of posion, he was able to read anything, he wasn't educated in a government indoctrination center and he had full control of his mind. Humans are, believe it or not, very smart creatures. We have been so dumbed-down that a well-read, thinking guy seems like a soothsayer. Wake up and you'll "know" too.
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TJ knew what the deal was
Thomas Jefferson once said, "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground."
Well, I guess he called that one.
A Republic, If You Can Keep It
I concur with others about
I concur with others about the knowledge of human nature. Also, one thing that I did not see is that Jefferson also knew Hamilton. Hamilton was thought to be very wicked by Jefferson and John Adams. They knew Hamilton was for big government and for a central bank. Hamilton and his agents almost caused war between the US, France, and Great Britain during Adams term.
The man who reads nothing at
The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.
Thomas Jefferson
Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread.
Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, 1821
He knew because he understood human nature
and he understood and studied tyranny in all it's forms and vices.
He was a man who looked at every organization or law suspiciously, one who was fearful of the propaganda of the catholic church, and one who by all means understood that evil men will always try to manipulate and control others for their own personal gain or pleasure. He understood that War is a racket, and is seldom necessary. He made it his mission to read, study and educate himself and to promote the ideals of liberty without compromise.
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Peace, Freedom and Prosperity. Not War, Welfare and Bankruptcy.
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Human Nature is a falsehood,
Human Nature is a falsehood, according to progessive idealists ..They believe there is no such thing & there is only , human behavior to conquer & control our mankind ills. Example , AGENDA 21
*They have to do it LEGALLY
Good people make the difference, you-no
Great post
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`Wise people, even though all laws were abolished, would still lead the same life'- Aristophanes -
“We have allowed our nation to be over taxed and over regulated and overrun by bureaucrats, the founders would be ashamed of us for what we're putting up with.” Ron Paul
Didn't one of those guys
predict Revolution would be necessary at about the 200 year mark? We're overdue, but it was still right.
Defend Liberty!
There's a reason Ron Paul liked Adams more than Jefferson
Think of American Indian land-theft (90% or more was taken during non-hostile, non-warfare periods -- un-constitutional and immoral) then re-read the first few quotes of Jefferson.
We got stop looking for leaders to hire and stop harking back to when we had American Individualism -- there will never be an elected leader who can take a welfare check and give you liberty.
The latter is the reason no matter how wise no society will flourish if gov't intervenes -- regarding the "perfection" of the move.
Ron Paul is a rare rare rare being. Truly.
If we want a "free-market" we must start living as though we had one. Which means, in a free-society you can't vote to overpower; the ballot box (thusly) can never lead towards liberty.
Ron Paul is "educating" us -- He knows the political process is the problem, regardless the "perfection" of the "leaders" philosophy.
Voting is an abdication of authority.
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Ron Paul is a hero, but you
Ron Paul is a hero, but you can accomplish quite a bit with lesser men in politics. See: Andrew Jackson
Ventura 2012
Bmore: I've never seen lesser men of authority do anything
Andy Jackson happened and here we are.
We need lasting change.
I do agree with your statement though, from a religious perspective.
It's especially true in a free-market.
Do you still like Hoppe now that you know he's an "anarchist." smile?
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There is no such thing as
There is no such thing as lasting change. Any generation that fails to understand the importance of being vigilant against tyranny will ultimately allow it to grow as it is the natural state of government in one form or another. Andrew Jackson despite his many faults was well aware of the dangers of a central bank and should be commended for his success in temporarily disposing of it. It wasn't his fault that the Federal reserve Act was passed nearly a century after his presidency.
JimCunningham -- You sort of contradict yourself
"We need to stay vigilant against Tyranny"
---JimC
I agree with that
Yet you imply we need to hire effective leaders?
Who needs to stay vigilant, "us" or the "leaders?"
History tells us every good deed can be turned -- Every Bill can be turned.
"no good deed goes un-turned"
We've tried the "get a good guy elected" rutine.
The problem with Democracy (and we have a full democracy in the voting process) is that people will always perceive an advantage was taken from them -and- they will vote to gain it back -- "perceive"
We need to try something we haven't done before.
---Counter-Economics
---Working under the Table (as much as we can)
---Work in Trade
---Develop Passive Income Streams so we can make the above happen
---Organize many webites to point out which Corporations Lobby and "vote" against them.
Corporatist Revenue Stream: 1) Consumers-who-Purchase, 2) Consumers-who-Invest, and 3) Gov't Intervention (subsidies, bailouts, regulatory advantages, tax breaks, and fiat credit)
With the advent of the internet these things are not impossible to coordinate.
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Maybe I misunderstood what
Maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say. My point was that you can't fault Jackson for the fact that we now have a Federal Reserve which is what your post seemed to imply. Your post seems a little scattered. Maybe you should lay off the coffee. It doesn't matter how much you know if you can't get your point across.
Jim: My writing requires you make logical leaps -- otherwise
it would take a long time to connect all the dots.
It's like mental short-hand.
If you like jazz music then my writing is easy to understand -- improvisational riffs -- connecting fluid streams through discord/shock.
Hahahahaha
If I wrote a paragraph between everything I said in that post you'd understand it -- sometimes the "gap" is just too far, for some. Smile.
Peace
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